Chemical Engineer Mark Basile confirms Harrit nano-thermite results

[sheeplesnshills]

Source of your claim that "there's not a snowball's chance that Jones will let his samples come anywhere near a lab with the right people and instruments to decide the question once and for all".

Put up or shut up.

MM

years and years of nothing? I suspect Jones is trying to get some super dooper nanny thermpoop so that he can mix it into his sample......hard to think of any other reason (other than severe paranoia) why he has waited so long to do what any sane person would have done from the start.
He's blown it. What he should have done is established a chain of evidence for the dust so that someone(s) independent collect and send the dust to various test agencies simply asking for an analysis (no mention of 911) and recorded what came back. By handling the dust himself and having it in his sole custody for periods of time it is worthless as evidence as any defense will simple say he had the motive and means to adulterate it.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Today, they have promoted him to "Prof. of Physics Emeritus, Senior Engineer" and listed under "Engineering Professionals (Degreed Only)". Interesting, huh?)

what grounds does he have to call himself an engineer???

 

[Africanus]

Again, I need to stress that the chemistry dicussion in my previous post is probably pretty bad: I can't say if, or under what conditions, benzene would really react with iron oxide. Also, my calculations of the change of enthalpy has not taken into account several factors, such as the extra amounts of enthalpy to the left and right of my formulas associated with heating, melting, vaporising, solidifying or condensing of the chemicals.

Don't worry, your calculation fits perfectly. You used standard enthalpies, which refer to a temperature of 298 K. The state of aggregation of a compound refers to that temperature too (e.g. benzene = liquid), so enthalpies for a change of state must only be consideres if the state of aggregation differs from that state of aggregation (e.g. gaseous benzene).

 

[Edx]

what grounds does he have to call himself an engineer???

Someone on youtube recently called him a "nuclear physicist" and when I first heard about him I was given the impression he was a "thermite expert"

 

[grandmastershek]

MM,

As a special educator I often need to explain things in multiple modes for students to fully understand them. Seeing as you are having some sort of break down in grasping the idea of something being iron rich versus being iron consider the following: Human hemoglobin contains 1 iron iron. Even though hemoglobin has iron it doesn't not require a thermite reaction to produce it. Hope that helps.

 

[Edx]

MM,

As a special educator I often need to explain things in multiple modes for students to fully understand them. Seeing as you are having some sort of break down in grasping the idea of something being iron rich versus being iron consider the following: Human hemoglobin contains 1 iron iron. Even though hemoglobin has iron it doesn't not require a thermite reaction to produce it. Hope that helps.

Except this is super nano special iron only produced by thermite

 

[Oystein]

Don't worry, your calculation fits perfectly. You used standard enthalpies, which refer to a temperature of 298 K. The state of aggregation of a compound refers to that temperature too (e.g. benzene = liquid), so enthalpies for a change of state must only be consideres if the state of aggregation differs from that state of aggregation (e.g. gaseous benzene).

Yes, but the reaction would not occur at 298K (you don't get a "thermitic explosion" if you drop rust in benzene at room temp ), and anyway, we should be looking not at benzene but some complex solid organic matrix. I picked benzene as that is a major building block of hardened epoxy resins, and its standard enthalpy was easy to find (Wikipedia). The Jones/Basile chips burn somewhere around 710K, so my numbers would have to be adjusted anyway.

The whole point of course was to show that a reduction of Fe2O3 with common organic materials is generally feasible at least from the point of view of reaction enthalpy (I really didn't know that until I did the calculations today, and actually expected/feared to get a negative result), and that Jones, Harrit, Farrer, Basile, buy not ruling out that possibility, can't validly conclude that the iron was the product of a thermite reaction.

 

[Oystein]

...Human hemoglobin contains 1 iron iron...

Contains what?

 

[tfk]

(By the way: I checked the list on archive.org, where the latest version unfortunately dates back to 2008. Steven E. Jones back then was listed under "Supporters and A&E Students" as "Retired Professor of Physics". Today, they have promoted him to "Prof. of Physics Emeritus, Senior Engineer" and listed under "Engineering Professionals (Degreed Only)". Interesting, huh?)

I've forced myself to listen to the rambling nonsense that Jones blathers to credulous college kids & truther conference attendees.

As far as engineering competence goes, there's only one difference between him & Paris Hilton.

Paris doesn't delude herself that she's an engineer.

If either Jones or Harrit or Farrer or Bastile believed that they had made a real discovery in their respective fields (cold fusion, photochemistry, SEM imaging or chemistry), then each of them would be single-mindedly determined to present their results to the HIGHEST caliber experts in their field. Not the lowest caliber. Not to college kids. Not to internet keyboard kommandos.

The simple fact that none of those bozos will go within a mile of a panel of experienced structural engineers proves how unscrupulous they are and how little faith they have in their own nonsense.


Tom

 

[ProfJoey223]

Greetings, Debunk-heads!

You guys, sadly, (*sniff*) are running scared. Like a trapped animal you'll scratch and rip and do ANYTHING to escape. And so, you do! To the fantasy world you have created.

Come to the light. Everyone else has!

Please stay on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Greetings, Debunk-heads!

You guys, sadly, (*sniff*) are running scared. Like a trapped animal you'll scratch and rip and do ANYTHING to escape. And so, you do! To the fantasy world you have created.

Come to the light. Everyone else has!

Please stay on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

That's all.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You guys, sadly, (*sniff*) are running scared. Like a trapped animal you'll scratch and rip and do ANYTHING to escape. And so, you do! To the fantasy world you have created.

Come to the light. Everyone else has

Apart from, well, you know, just about everyone.

I don't honestly know why truthers keep on juicing the piglet like this. It's immediately obvious, to anyone who isn't delusional, that developing a fundamentally revised understanding of the events of 9/11 is a complete non-issue for the overwhelming majority of the world's people. It's equally obvious that even those who reject the conventional narrative are, for the most part, simply going through the motions, playing the cool rebel on insignificant internet forums and never bothering to actually try to achieve anything real, probably because they've got too much of an emotional investment to let go of a set of beliefs that they know deep inside are simply unsustainable. And yet, when even they themselves show negligible committment to their pseudo-cause, they insist on pretending that they're one more content-free forum post away from sparking off the revolution.

Sorry, guys, but it's never going to happen. And the reason it's never going to happen is because you're wrong.

Dave

 

[Miragememories]

Please go check the list of 1300+ architects and engineers on AE911T.org

Search for "Basile": He is not there.
Search for "chemical engineer": You will find 23

Basile either did not sign the Petition, or AE911T does not consider him an engineer. There is no third option.
We shall see when they bring the "supporters" list back.



(By the way: I checked the list on archive.org, where the latest version unfortunately dates back to 2008. Steven E. Jones back then was listed under "Supporters and A&E Students" as "Retired Professor of Physics". Today, they have promoted him to "Prof. of Physics Emeritus, Senior Engineer" and listed under "Engineering Professionals (Degreed Only)". Interesting, huh?)

Your posts are for the most part, smear the individual and ignore their work.

MM

 

[beachnut]

Your posts are for the most part, smear the individual and ignore their work.

MM

Your post lack evidence to support your idiotic claims of thermite, thermite with carbon and Si. And of course 911 truth sends in the best it has with all the evidence it has to support you and ensure complete failure.

Greetings, Debunk-heads!

You guys, sadly, (*sniff*) are running scared. Like a trapped animal you'll scratch and rip and do ANYTHING to escape. And so, you do! To the fantasy world you have created.

Come to the light. Everyone else has!

Please stay on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

Where is your evidence? What is your excuse to go on for 9 years and never present anything but failed nuts on 911 spewing lies and nonsense and hearsay? You have never presented any evidence for your claims; why?

I have independently seen thermitic activity within two independent samples of World Trade Center Dust. [...] I would really like to stress that we need a lot more people involved in this work than just the few of us that are doing it right now.

My work with this has brought me to feel that this material is too big of an unanswered question and it really brings us to demand a new investigation. This is hard evidence that can not be refuted.
Anyone can replicate the work that’s been done and confirm that this material is there.
— Mark Basile, chemical engineer

No paper, no proof, just another paranoid conspiracy theorist with Gage who are nuts on 911. Zero evidence, just talk.

Like Jones' paper, where carbon is in the dust they lie and say is thermite. Why is carbon in Jones' thermite? Hello?

What did 60 minutes say when you guys presented this to the Pulitzer Prize committee? 9 years, and you have more nonsense, no evidence.


This is thermite
Fe₂O₃(s) + 2 Al(s) Al₂O₃(s) + 2 Fe(l)
No carbon, why does Jones have carbon? Because it is not thermite.

 

[Oystein]

Your posts are for the most part, smear the individual and ignore their work.

MM

No, they do not. They expose lies. Lies spewed by Gage, Jones, Farrer, Basile, and MirageMemories.

You see, you try to gain some mileage out of those people's alleged academic credentials. You flaunt their titles, in lieu of arguments. I am merely showing you that you can't objectively describe Farrer's academic credentials as "excellent", and that, when you believe Basile's claim to be an engineer, AE911T themselves prove him and you wrong. I'd be happy not to discuss their academic credentials, but if you introduce them, be prepared for me to engage them.

I have also, for the MOST part, criticized Basile's methods. Stange that you don't address that topic! Seems like the one preoccupied with personals is you, not me! Why did you not answer this question:

Do you think Basile did a competent analysis of the chips? Can you explain, in your own words, what he did, and what he measured, and how he formed his conclusions from his experiments?

Afraid of the dilemma that you must chose between lying, exposing your own incompetence, or admitting that Basile's "analysis" was grossly incompetent?

 

[9/11-investigator]

So, when do you expect it to appear in a peer-reviewed, respectable journal??

JO911S and Bentham are not peer-reviewed or respectable.

The reason why we see JO911S and Bentham as not respectable is that we don't like what they publish.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I figured the little twit for a moron from the get-go, but when he started yammering about the Swiss cheese steel as a thermite artifact I lost all respect I could possibly have had for him as a scientist or a man. What a freaking punk.

The little moron can't even tell us what the chips were made of. The bozo would probably not recognize paint if you read off a list of its components to him.

What the hell does this moron think the silicon in this compound is for?

Has the silly little sack of stupid even bothered to see what paint is made of? I doubt it.

I would like to know from leftysergeant when he would label someone as a 'hater'?
Labelling someone as a hater is a favorite past time in lefty circles.
I was wondering if we could use your little contribution as a benchmark. What do you say?

Thanks in advance.

 

[The Almond]

The reason why we see JO911S and Bentham as not respectable is that we don't like what they publish.

More to the point: The reputations of these "journals" is not established, and from what they've published so far, they're certainly not likely to become rising stars.

What tfc has been trying to point out (among others) is that, if what Harrit, Basile, Jones, and Farrer say is true, it would be the biggest scientific news story on the planet. If the science were sound, there are a dozen journals in analytical chemistry, forensics, explosives, fire and materials science research that would be falling over themselves to publish it. The only thing the nano-thermite wonks would have to do in order to submit such an article is format the paper, and submit it to the editorship for review.

As a researcher myself, I can assure you that when I've got important or interesting data to present, I don't first publish it in a vanity journal. If I think the research is good and of broad interest, I'll submit to Nature or Science. If they reject the article, I go to Analytical Chemistry, Nature Methods, Journal of the American Ceramic Society, Physical Review, or Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences. Failing those journals, I would probably select a more discipline specific journal like Fire Research, Cement and Concrete Research, X-ray Spectrometry or ACI Materials. Failing acceptance at those journals, I would try a trade magazine like Chemical Engineering News or Engineering News Record. Failing all of those options, I would publish in a pay-to-publish online journal in the hope that my reference would come up in a random Google search.

Jones, Harrit and Farrer have all followed roughly the same strategy for all of their legitimate scientific careers. Why on Earth would they skip steps 1-4 and go straight to an online vanity journal for this one paper?

 

[twinstead]

The reason why we see JO911S and Bentham as not respectable is that we don't like what they publish.

Well, careful, because one could one say that about Bazant, the Purdue report, the 911 commission report, and the NIST report for that matter concerning you folks; you simply don't like what they are saying.

 

[grandmastershek]

Contains what?

DOH! Iron ion.