ponderingturtle
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Don't you understand they are required to give her a platform! And people are required to go to it as well.
Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2
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Don't you understand they are required to give her a platform! And people are required to go to it as well.
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adjunct vs. tenured professors
Your first sentence could be true, and it would still have no bearing on whether a given firing was just or unjust. Your second sentence presumes that the adjunct professor did something wrong. Your third sentence is belied by the case of Jason Kilborn.
Who decides that?
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unclear meaning
Without more context or explanation, it is impossible to answer a question such as this.
Never has a comment matched an avatar so well. Bravo.
You presume hot water is only for those who do something wrong. Professionals know better.
My definition is only useless if you want to pretend Cancel Culture is an actual thing.
If you want to play Jabba and go "We're 50 pages into the discussion and we haven't agree on definitions that mean I'm correct before we even start" you do you.
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a failed definition
Labeling something as a scare term does not define what it is. Nor does saying that something is used mostly by conservatives advance the discussion in a meaningful way. Who puts an idea forward is irrelevant to whether the idea does or does not have merit. I wish that I could find one good thing to say about this definition, but I cannot.
Nothing in this definition of cancel culture addresses whether the pressure is direct or via a third party. It does not address whether actions within the criminal or civil justice systems are within or outside of cancel culture. It does not address whether or not the pressure is proportionate to the offense. It does not address the question of whether or not cancellation should override the rights of others (the students of a professor who was fired or the audience of an opera production that was halted, for example). The question of whether or not social media is an indispensable part of cancel culture is not addressed.
Labeling something as a scare term does not define what it is. Nor does saying that something is used mostly by conservatives advance the discussion in a meaningful way. Who puts an idea forward is irrelevant to whether the idea does or does not have merit. I wish that I could find one good thing to say about this definition, but I cannot.
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Outside pressure regarding Alexander Malofeev
“When it cancelled a young Russian's piano performance this week, the Montreal Symphony Orchestra was reacting to a wave of protest from the Ukrainian community...'I think that right now is a very sensitive time,' said Michael Schwec, the head of the Quebec branch of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, which also called for Malofeev not to appear.” link2
If you meant that there was no campaign toward canceling these concerts, then what you wrote was factually false.
Regarding the cancelled concert(s) in Vancouver, the organizer has offered several reasons, among them: "'The last thing I wanted to do was bring a 20-year-old to the Orpheum in Vancouver and have it surrounded by protesters and have people inside heckling,' she said.” link1
“When it cancelled a young Russian's piano performance this week, the Montreal Symphony Orchestra was reacting to a wave of protest from the Ukrainian community...'I think that right now is a very sensitive time,' said Michael Schwec, the head of the Quebec branch of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, which also called for Malofeev not to appear.” link2
If you meant that there was no campaign toward canceling these concerts, then what you wrote was factually false.
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I wonder what the Cancel Culture Warriors think about the government passing laws to punish businesses that criticize other laws, like the Florida legislature is trying to do with Disney?
Or is that ok because Disney is too big to be cancelled?
Or is that ok because Disney is too big to be cancelled?
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OK, so I think I got it.
Cancel culture: when public does it, and it is bad, but only when done by the woke crowd.
Censorship: when the government does it, and it's ok, but only if it is against the woke crowd. For example, removing books about Rosa Parks from the library. But it also applies to social media companies enforcing terms of agreement, where it is not ok, if it is woke.
Useful thread. We are getting some clairificaiton.
To be fair, check the title of the thread. It wasn’t meant to clarify anything. It was just a thread to discuss examples, assuming everyone knew the definition. That assumption proved to be its undoing. And further undoing. And the more massive undoing. To the point of microscopes being needed to break down the last remaining scraps of possible usefulness.
It is actually a very interesting cautionary tale about assumptions and how they can help to foster bad posts. Like manure to weeds.
Again... yes. This got proven to levels of scientific rigor like years ago.
"Oh noes the wrong people are using societal pressure so now need a scare term for it to make your grandma clutch her pearls" is all it has ever been and really all anyone has ever pretended it was.
I don't know why we keep fringe resetting on this.
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You're getting there but you left failed to mention the woke on woke cancellations which are not only the most prevalent but the most entertaining as well.
Let's take an example from the list supplied in post #1738. Kindness Yoga, or should I say KKKindness Yoga? 19 years of being all woke with their outward reputation of inclusivity with its earthy studios, gender-neutral bathrooms and person-of-color yoga nights where “white friends and allies” were asked to “respectfully refrain from attending as well a LGBTQ workshops.
Suddenly...they weren't woke enough and their whole empire was cancelled, burned to the ground with the owners exposed as racists. Not to mention their cultural appropriation and westernization of an POC traditional practice.
So what's a wokester to do?
What can a wokster do in the knowledge that no matter how hard they try they know that one slip-up, and the mob is going to come for them. Why play it safe of course. Play it safe by banging on and on about things they know have nothing to do with cancel culture while falling to their knees and rending their hair while trying to deny that this scary new term exists.
Woke on woke.
You're getting there but you left failed to mention the woke on woke cancellations which are not only the most prevalent but the most entertaining as well.
Let's take an example from the list supplied in post #1738. Kindness Yoga, or should I say KKKindness Yoga? 19 years of being all woke with their outward reputation of inclusivity with its earthy studios, gender-neutral bathrooms and person-of-color yoga nights where “white friends and allies” were asked to “respectfully refrain from attending as well a LGBTQ workshops.
Suddenly...they weren't woke enough and their whole empire was cancelled, burned to the ground with the owners exposed as racists. Not to mention their cultural appropriation and westernization of an POC traditional practice.
So what's a wokester to do?
What can a wokster do in the knowledge that no matter how hard they try they know that one slip-up, and the mob is going to come for them. Why play it safe of course. Play it safe by banging on and on about things they know have nothing to do with cancel culture while falling to their knees and rending their hair while trying to deny that this scary new term exists.
Woke on woke.
Yes and if you just stop and realize "woke" is equally as meaningful a term as "cancel culture" you'd have a point or thought. As it stands you just made noise that only people who think Fox News is too liberal can hear.
Given that both "cancel culture" and "woke" both have their roots in Black culture denying their valid usage has a very racist energy about it.
The way white people steal good things from black culture and mangle them into awful things is surely not a new concept to you. Vanilla Ice?
Mangled? I suppose that's one way of saying that woke and cancel culture can be problematic at times and suggest they frequently stray into the realm of deeply problematic. If so then Barack Obama agrees with you and he's a smart guy.