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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

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It's YA fiction, none of it is very good.
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You're not wrong there however I will refrain from spoilering the end of The Men lest somebody is interested in it save to say it's a commonly used trope that's fraught with identity politics if you care to look hard enough.

This came across my news feed today, a former cancel culture warrior who's hung up his hat.

I used to be part of the online Twitter ‘mob’ – until I realised what it was doing to me

I'm sure Jonathan Choe can relate to this bit.

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That person has to be condemned as eternally racist or sexist, or else we might be condemned as enabling it. It’s safer to join the mob than try and calm it down.
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Also popping up is an article on the website of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education covering the 'Yale Event' which has been called 'Cancel Culture' in some places, 'Free Speach' in others and 'Civil Disobedience' in others.


Whatever you call it it's pretty ugly, and remember the people doing it are law students.


Much ink has been spilled over the Mar. 10 Yale Law School Federalist Society event on civil liberties that — depending on which article you read — either went off mostly unhindered, or suffered severe disruptions. FIRE’s investigation, based on new audio recordings of the complete event, confirms that protesters substantially disrupted the discussion and that Yale ignored its own policies by doing next to nothing to stop the disruption.
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https://www.thefire.org/new-audio-s...l-which-the-university-did-little-to-prevent/
 
Mr. Smith is right where he belongs

SuburbanTurkey said:
ETA: I don't really see the difference in your question. Choe posted a slide show of pictures. Whether he recorded these guys singing their white ethnostate anthem in person on the scene or pulled it from a different source, he decided that this song was the best backing for the puff piece about the fascist street gang. This is trash journalism no matter how you slice it.
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If Mr. Choe posted what actually happened at the march, then he reported accurately and Rich Smith is a lazy or deceptive one, and the same goes for Mr. Smith's editor.
This is not the first time that I have seen slipshod reporting from the The Stranger. I don't like everything about Mr. Choe, but I do appreciate a reporter who is willing to let his or her readers or listeners make up their own minds.
 
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secondary punishment

Dr. Keith said:
Without addressing the virtue of the criticism, what makes this critique Cancel Culture rather than just criticism?
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Scott Greenfield wrote, “Cancel culture is the breakdown of social norms that allow for the free speech of criticism but inhibit people from joining together with like-minded people to not merely disagree with words or ideas they find unacceptable (or perceive to be unacceptable on behalf of others), but then act upon them for the purpose of inflicting secondary punishment to their antagonists, whether based on fact, opinion or false accusation, without need for proof or due process and disconnected from the nature of the original “offense.”” I would add that cancel culture usurps the rights of other people to see an opera or read a book of their choice, people who may disagree with the cancelers.

The petition concerning the opera about Emmett Till sought to use John Jay College to inflict secondary punishment. The petition made at least one incorrect assertion and ignored the presence of black artists in contributing toward the work as a whole. Had the petition achieved its stated goal, the audience would have been denied the opportunity to see it. Thus it checked off several boxes in Mr. Greenfield’s definition, as well as my addition. This thread has been through similar discussions before.

I am sorry about your Oak tree.
 
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today's law schools

"Law school administrations are failing in their responses, he [FIRE's Robert Shibley] said. Most want such problems to go away as quickly as possible and that means canning or disciplining the professors to mollify students. Protests can erupt quickly and seem quite charged, particularly because of social media. It’s easy for students to take to Twitter and lash out, for instance. It takes only seconds to chime in with a tweet."

"It’s reached the point where Eugene Volokh wrote on his blog, The Volokh Conspiracy, a post called, “Why I Wouldn’t Recommend Adjunct Teaching at Law Schools Now.” It can be too dicey, he said." NationalJurist
 
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Greenfield’s description is not a definition. Nothing you have described is cancel culture.

My dishwasher repair appointment was canceled. That also was not cancel culture.
 
Adjunct teaching in law schools is ego fulfillment. No surprise that such volunteers find themselves in hot water. Leave it to the pros.
 
dishwasher repair

Dr. Keith said:
Greenfield’s description is not a definition. Nothing you have described is cancel culture.

My dishwasher repair appointment was canceled. That also was not cancel culture.
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Your comment is an assertion without either facts or a logical argument to support it.
 
Useful

Dr. Keith said:
A description and a definition are different things. I can’t help you if you can’t get that. But I should have caught on to that three pages ago.
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Definitions are either useful or useless. JoeMorgue's definition was useless; Mr. Greenfield's definition was useful. If you don't like Mr. Greenfield's definition, we can examine Mr. Lukianoff's. I have not seen a definition from you...
 
Not a serious contribution:

If public movements which result in the loss of opportunity to choose to see, do or buy a thing at a venue are cancel culture, then is it cancel culture when the nice ladies in town campaign to get the hourly motels and strip joints closed?

Down with this sort of thing!
 
It's only "Cancel Culture" if someone else thinks the reason to criticize/boycott is a more important issue than I do.

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Chris_Halkides said:
If Mr. Choe posted what actually happened at the march, then he reported accurately and Rich Smith is a lazy or deceptive one, and the same goes for Mr. Smith's editor.
This is not the first time that I have seen slipshod reporting from the The Stranger. I don't like everything about Mr. Choe, but I do appreciate a reporter who is willing to let his or her readers or listeners make up their own minds.
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You understanding of what a journalist does is wildly uninformed. Blasting out contextless pictures is not journalism.

How can you be so sure this is "cancel culture" rather than an employer firing an employee for doing poor quality work?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
How can you be so sure this is "cancel culture" rather than an employer firing an employee for doing poor quality work?
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That one's easy, just read the victim statement.

Hours later, the critics started pouncing on this final Tweet, accusing me of intentionally creating “white supremacist propaganda.” Several people even claimed I went out of my way to rip this music off a CD and lay it under the photos. That is untrue. I wanted to simply capture a moment in time, with authentic visuals and sounds. It was clearly misinterpreted by some on-line.
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For anyone reading this thread and living under the same rock that Choe's Twitter followers are presumed to live under. The Proud Boys are a bunch of violent alt-right douchebags, don't join them even if you think their song reminds reminds you of Barrett's Privateers. This has been a PSA.
 
some details are not yet clear regarding KOMO

SuburbanTurkey said:
You understanding of what a journalist does is wildly uninformed. Blasting out contextless pictures is not journalism.

How can you be so sure this is "cancel culture" rather than an employer firing an employee for doing poor quality work?
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IIUC Mr. Choe was not covering the march for KOMO, which complicates the picture.

You linked to an inaccurate story and have yet to acknowledge Mr. Smith's laziness or deception. If you are OK with lazy or deceptive work, then fine, but under those circumstances I would have no interest in your opinion as to what journalism is or is not.
 
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Ordinary People

Lithrael said:
Not a serious contribution:

If public movements which result in the loss of opportunity to choose to see, do or buy a thing at a venue are cancel culture, then is it cancel culture when the nice ladies in town campaign to get the hourly motels and strip joints closed?

Down with this sort of thing!
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Here is my "not as a serious contribution." Cancel Culture in microcosm: YouTube

Perhaps of greater utility: I don't know anything about Philip Fry other than this site, which is a list of examples of cancel culture happening to ordinary people, not celebrities.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
Here is my "not as a serious contribution." Cancel Culture in microcosm: YouTube

Perhaps of greater utility: I don't know anything about Philip Fry other than this site, which is a list of examples of cancel culture happening to ordinary people, not celebrities.
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20. A prominent composer's performances were cancelled from a music festival (and her merch removed) bec she gave a talk that referred to certain musical compositions by their actual names - compositions which deliberately had the 'n-word' in the title.
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I like this one the most. Poor woman, they took the right to say ****** from her. And of course there was NO WAY to just use "N-word", no no no no. The title of the piece contains ****** so why not say it out loud. MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANCEL CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO SAY ****** WHENEVER I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Also extremly funny: The whiney loser who wrote the garbage from the second quote was able to use "N-word". Why did he not use ******?? I mean, he is just telling the story of someone else, right?
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
Definitions are either useful or useless. JoeMorgue's definition was useless; Mr. Greenfield's definition was useful. If you don't like Mr. Greenfield's definition, we can examine Mr. Lukianoff's. I have not seen a definition from you...
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A shark strikes fear from a distance and sends chills down the spine of any who spy its presence. Therefore a lion is a shark.

Like I said, a description is not a definition. Several good definitions exist in this thread and you have made good effort to ignore those discussions. But that effort has paid off: I now join the thread OP in losing interest.

Every critique is cancel culture. Especially from those people.
 
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