Can Hillary be elected?
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Yes, and she might very well win.
The right wing Republicans have gotten full of themselves much like the left in the Democratic party got full of themselves in 2004.
Bush was elected for a lot of reasons some of which might have been his take on social issues. That, however, was not the major reason. The righties have read into the result that it is an affarmation of those things that they hold most dear, ignoring everything else.
The US is a socially conservative country but I believe that there is a limit to the comfort people have with senators and others draping themselves with the flag and religion and whatnot. I think that they pretty much want to be left alone which is decidedly not what the polititions want to do.
If these goat fornicators put a candidate who passes their litmus test, he/she will loose. The result would be a Goldwater, highly acceptable to a narrow range of Republicans.
I hate to say it but under those circumstances I would vote for H.h.h.hh.hhhhillary....there, I said it.
The right wing Republicans have gotten full of themselves much like the left in the Democratic party got full of themselves in 2004.
Bush was elected for a lot of reasons some of which might have been his take on social issues. That, however, was not the major reason. The righties have read into the result that it is an affarmation of those things that they hold most dear, ignoring everything else.
The US is a socially conservative country but I believe that there is a limit to the comfort people have with senators and others draping themselves with the flag and religion and whatnot. I think that they pretty much want to be left alone which is decidedly not what the polititions want to do.
If these goat fornicators put a candidate who passes their litmus test, he/she will loose. The result would be a Goldwater, highly acceptable to a narrow range of Republicans.
I hate to say it but under those circumstances I would vote for H.h.h.hh.hhhhillary....there, I said it.
Absolutely.
In 1962, after narrowly losing the presidency two years before, Richard Nixon ran for governor of California and lost, bitterly lashed out at the press the next day, and proclaimed his retirement from politics.
Six years later, he was president.
You'd never argue that Nixon was less hated, less polarizing than Hillary Clinton.
In 1962, after narrowly losing the presidency two years before, Richard Nixon ran for governor of California and lost, bitterly lashed out at the press the next day, and proclaimed his retirement from politics.
Six years later, he was president.
You'd never argue that Nixon was less hated, less polarizing than Hillary Clinton.
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Ed said:
heh.
Yea, she can get elected. It depends on who the republicans nominate. It's early and rising stars may yet shine.
Assume, for example, a republican governor from [pick a state] that nobody has ever heard of gets the nomination. Someone like Bill Clinton but a righty rather than lefty. She'd be lucky to get 30% of the vote.
Assume Frist, or McCain. She'd be lucky to lose 30% of the vote.
Assume...yea, again...assume Condie. Toss up, that one. I'd vote for Condie (twice in different districts).
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I actually seriously doubt she'd be able to get the Democratic nomination. Too much baggage.
Although I continue to have nightmares about a Hillary vs. Gingrich battle in 2008...Now that would be a banner year for the Libertarians and Greens.
Although I continue to have nightmares about a Hillary vs. Gingrich battle in 2008...Now that would be a banner year for the Libertarians and Greens.
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Rob Lister said:
I think Jeb Bush is going to make a run for it.
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Ed said:
I would've thought the American people would have a discomfort over one of the most poorly justified wars in history, but Bush got reelected anyway. (Granted, the alternative wasn't that great.)
I have little faith in the American people's discomfort.
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McCain, I would agree with you. However, I think you are grossly over estimating Frist's ability to pull in Democrats.Rob Lister said:
Cleon said:
No, I think not. Don't you think the Dems were oh, so excited over Dukakis? Don't you think they felt silly when they sobered up?
Seriously, I think that H. would be a good candidate. If calm head prevail amoung the Reps. they will realize that they, like H. have to move to the center to have a chance and that is good. If, as I said, they buy their own BS they will loose big which is not a bad thing either. I think that you have to look at american politics over decades rather than a given presidency and a good centrist, even leaning to the left a bit, is a sensible course correction.
I can't believe I am talking up that woman.
But it shows you what the reps. are doing....scaring people with their self rightius crap, as bad as rabid pro Kerrie (or was that Kerry) supporters.hgc said:
Here's how I weigh her chances:
Can you name one red state that would be more inclined to vote for a firebrand like Hillary than it was for a a milquetoast like Kerry?
Barrring some republican-sourced change to the formula, I can't think of a single state that would change color. Ergo, same result.
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I think she is too controversial. She would absolutly energize her base though for the life of me I'm not quite sure why. The problem is that she would energize the opposition.
She also has a lot of baggage and a lot of unanswered questions that will dog her campaign.
She also has a lot of baggage and a lot of unanswered questions that will dog her campaign.
Cleon
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RandFan said:
She'd also energize a lot of people already disgusted with the Democrats into leaving altogether. Net result: Good year for Greens, bad year for Democrat turnout at the polls. (Hrmmm...Maybe I should support her nomination.
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Pardon the ignorant Brit but just why is she such a controversial figure? I don’t understand it - I mean I know she had sex with Clinton, but that hardly makes her unique.
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Hillary was at one time politically tone deaf. She held a significant contempt for those who were of a different ideology though to be fair the opposition held her in contempt. She didn't always respond well to snipping from the opposition. She headed a commission to enact national health care. She was brusque and refused to listen to any outsiders and purposely excluded a number of important segments of the medical field. Whenever caught in a scandal she always blamed the opposition and never ever accepted responsibility for her woes. Because she was an attorney she always took the position to withdraw and not answer questions which is good for keeping one out of jail but not good for keeping a good relationship with the public. Again many of the problems were the result of unfair accusations.Darat said:
Finally she seemed for a long time to look down her nose at the little people. She seemed to know what was best for us and it was her job to save us.
She seems however to have gotten religion as it pertains to politics and is now more in tune and willing to appear conciliatory and sensitive to the will of the people. This is how I remember it. I'm not her biographer nor am I an expert. Take the previous as just my opinion.
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Darat said:
A lot of FUD, mainly. It's always amused me that she's been vilified more than Clinton.
I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that she was so involved in the political aspect of the office, rather than just standing around for photo ops like previous first ladies. Before they came up with that lovely "Hitlary" name for her (and people are complaining about AI's use of the word "gulag"), right-wing radio hosts were referring to the Clintons as "Billary" and hinting rather strongly that she was running the show and wearing the pants while Clinton was her proverbial *&^%^.
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I frequent another board that has a membership that leans a bit to the right.....
They all absolutely hate Hillary. For the life of me, I can't understand why. I mean, we're talking of vituperation in the same league as they'd reserve for "Hanoi Jane". (Who should be promptly lynched....)
The Whitewater "scandal" was a big bust, with millions expended to find no evidence of wrongdoing whatever.
I know the right was mightily annoyed at the "socialized medicine" health-care plan, but they were trying; more than can be said for the Republicans.
Is it just the association with Bill? Do they still think the Clintons had whazizname murdered?
They all absolutely hate Hillary. For the life of me, I can't understand why. I mean, we're talking of vituperation in the same league as they'd reserve for "Hanoi Jane". (Who should be promptly lynched....)
The Whitewater "scandal" was a big bust, with millions expended to find no evidence of wrongdoing whatever.
I know the right was mightily annoyed at the "socialized medicine" health-care plan, but they were trying; more than can be said for the Republicans.
Is it just the association with Bill? Do they still think the Clintons had whazizname murdered?
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You call the TennCare debacle 'trying'?
Sorry, don't mean to derail, but I will be amazed if Hillary would mention health care when campaigning...at least not in the afflicted areas.
My guess is that whatever image the Dems consultants could come up with for her, there will be a counter campaign, ala SBVFT, waiting in the wings.
Sorry, don't mean to derail, but I will be amazed if Hillary would mention health care when campaigning...at least not in the afflicted areas.
My guess is that whatever image the Dems consultants could come up with for her, there will be a counter campaign, ala SBVFT, waiting in the wings.