Can Hillary be elected?

[jj]

If these goat fornicators put a candidate who passes their litmus test, he/she will loose. The result would be a Goldwater, highly acceptable to a narrow range of Republicans.

Personally, were I a right-wing lunatic, I'd pray for a Hillary candidacy. The same vilification they used on Bill and then on the war hero with a silver star will work on Hillary like a dream.

But, if you go back to research the Goldwater election, you really are a bit off the mark in some ways, and you don't give enough credit to LBJ, who effectively taught the repugicans how to vilify the opponent, a lesson they never have forgotten.

 

[Mark]

Well, aside from the bizarre-sounding wordage, she was essentially correct. There was a large ("vast"), concerted, organized effort--a "conspiracy" if you will--to go after the Clintons using every legal means possible. "Monicagate" was merely one of them...There was also the whitewater BS, Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, the whole nine yards. This effort came from the right wing, spearheaded largely by a group called Judicial Watch.

"Vast right-wing conspiracy" might sound comical, but it certainly isn't inaccurate.

The only thing that might disqualify it was that the whole thing was done right out in the open, with no hint of shame.

Odd that Grammatron considers her comment "irresponsible." In what way, I wonder?

 

[Grammatron]

The only thing that might disqualify it was that the whole thing was done right out in the open, with no hint of shame.

Odd that Grammatron considers her comment "irresponsible." In what way, I wonder?

Because it wasn't a conspiracy, there really was a bj. She may have thought otherwise at the time but when it all came to light she did nothing about those comments. That's irresponsible.

 

[Cleon]

Because it wasn't a conspiracy, there really was a bj.

The vast right-wing conspiracy wasn't the bj. The vast right-wing conspiracy was the campaign to, excuse the pun, nail him on it (or anything else that came down the pike).

There's no reason for her to apologize for something that was patently obvious.

 

[Mark]

Because it wasn't a conspiracy, there really was a bj. She may have thought otherwise at the time but when it all came to light she did nothing about those comments. That's irresponsible.

A pretty fine line to be declaring her comment irresponsible. Please re-read Cleon's post. The ONLY non-conspiratorial thing about the campaign against her was that it was done right out in the open, largely with our tax dollars.

IMO, your use if the word "irresponsible" shows FAR more about your personal bias than it says anything at all about Hillary Clinton.

 

[Renfield]

That'll be the most asked question over the next 3½ years.

According to this poll, it may be possible. I didn't used to think so, because she does have a particularly grating personality.

What do you think?

If Diebold continues its takeover of the election process, I'm not sure it'll matter who runs for the democrats.

 

[RandFan]

I like Hillary. I will never understand the hatred she generates; I can only assume it is because the Right are afraid of her.

Please see above. It has already been explained.

The only problem is, if she were to win, no doubt the Right's slime machinery will go to work full time again (using tax payer money, I might add).

Like the slime machine used against Bush?

 

[Mark]

Please see above. It has already been explained.

Like the slime machine used against Bush?

WHAT slime machine against Bush?!?!?! You know, I expect you to be partisan but for god's sake, this is ridiculous.

Apparently you are hoping America will forget Ken Starr and his fruitless 44 million dollar campaign (tax dollars!) to slime the Clintons. In which he found NOTHING.

 

[RandFan]

The 44 million spent by Republicans chasing after something---anything---against The Clintons is a matter of public record. As is the fact that they found absolutely nothing.

As one who spent many years defending Clinton and criticizing the investigation I can say that absolutely something was found. I'm sorry you didn't know. The problem is that the evidence gleaned from the investigation was simply not enough to convict.

• Funds were illegally funded to Bill Clinton.
  
• Only a few people could have known about the funds and the check used to transfer those funds including Bill and Hillary Clinton and Susan and Jim McDougal.
  
• Jim testified that Bill knew the funds were diverted.
  
• Susan McDougal refused to testify.

Again, I was against the investigation but there was absolutely something. There was also a number of lies and cover ups including billing records that magically turned up.

 

[Grammatron]

A pretty fine line to be declaring her comment irresponsible. Please re-read Cleon's post. The ONLY non-conspiratorial thing about the campaign against her was that it was done right out in the open, largely with our tax dollars.

IMO, your use if the word "irresponsible" shows FAR more about your personal bias than it says anything at all about Hillary Clinton.

*shrug*

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I simply stated my views on the subject. Obviously, your views are not the same.

 

[RandFan]

WHAT slime machine against Bush?!?!?! You know, I expect you to be partisan but for god's sake, this is ridiculous.

Yeah, you would think I'm partisan. Sorry no.

Are you kidding?!?!?! You haven't heard of all the BS and rumours and mean spirited crap directed at Bush?

Apparently you are hoping America will forget Ken Starr and his fruitless 44 million dollar campaign (tax dollars!) to slime the Clintons. In which he found NOTHING.

No, he did not find NOTHING!!!!!!

I was against the investigation.

 

[Cleon]

Yeah, you would think I'm partisan. Sorry no.

Are you kidding?!?!?! You haven't heard of all the BS and rumours and mean spirited crap directed at Bush?

Rumors and mean-spirited crap are one thing.

The GOP spent tens of millions of dollars of tax dollars (small government at work, I guess) to dig up anything and everything they could. Accusations against Clinton ranged from sweetheart deals to rape to murder.

If you think anything that Bush has gone through is the equivalent of that, well....Sorry, no.

 

[RandFan]

Rumors and mean-spirited crap are one thing.

The GOP spent tens of millions of dollars of tax dollars (small government at work, I guess) to dig up anything and everything they could. Accusations against Clinton ranged from sweetheart deals to rape to murder.

If you think anything that Bush has gone through is the equivalent of that, well....Sorry, no.

Let me see if I understand your logic. It must be exactly or at least rougly equivelant. Otherwise any and everything is fair game?

I really don't buy that. You are talking degree. Fine, whatever, mean spirited is mean spirited.

1. The Republicans got their ideas from the special council appointed during the Regan administration. Doesn't justify it but it does help explain it, now doesn't it.
   
2. There was serious reason for an investigation. I didn't think it was necassary and I certainly objected when it turned to sex.
   
3. Betty Broderick was very credible. I like Bill Clinton and it really broke my heart but I have a hard time dismissing her claim that Bill raped her. She was a democrat. She never tried to profit from her claim. She clearly did not want the spot light. [/list=1] Again, I was aginst the investigation but there were clearly problems with Clinton. Reading George Stephanopoulos' book makes it quite clear that Republicans were certainly on to something. Did it warrant the investigation? No.

 

[Mark]

Yeah, you would think I'm partisan. Sorry no.

Are you kidding?!?!?! You haven't heard of all the BS and rumours and mean spirited crap directed at Bush?

No, he did not find NOTHING!!!!!!

I was against the investigation.

I can think of nothing "mean spirited" directed at Bush that was funded by my tax dollars. If you can correct me on that, please do so.

Your posts do seem to indicate a bias in favor of Republicans, but that is just my opinion, nothing more.

 

[joe1347]

Why don't we wait and see what happens during the 2006 NY Senate campaign before the coronation?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I can think of nothing "mean spirited" directed at Bush that was funded by my tax dollars. If you can correct me on that, please do so.

The 9/11 Commission. How dare we expect our elected leaders to answer questions about their actions?! The cheek of it!!

 

[hgc]

Why don't we wait and see what happens during the 2006 NY Senate campaign before the coronation?

Hillary is very popular in NY. Even in conservative upstate. She's well entrenched, so you can drop the fantasy of her not running from her perch in the Senate.

 

[Mark]

The 9/11 Commission. How dare we expect our elected leaders to answer questions about their actions?! The cheek of it!!

Do you seriously think there is ANY comparison between the 9/11 Commission and Ken Starr's witch hunt? Please.

 

[Cleon]

Do you seriously think there is ANY comparison between the 9/11 Commission and Ken Starr's witch hunt? Please.

He's joking. As, I hope, is RandFan.

 

[Mark]

He's joking. As, I hope, is RandFan.

I missed it. My apologies.