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Can Dimethyltryptamine DMT create Psychic Visions

woddyallen said:
Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP?
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No.
Research that has been carried out focuses the more practical and more widely reported psycho-therapeutic benefits due to the effects of DMT on neuro-chemistry and neuro-genesis.
 
The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative:
(with 60 mg smoked) "Rapid onset, and in a completely stoned isolation in about a minute for about three minutes. Slow return but continued afterglow (pleasant) for thirty minutes. Repeated three times, with no apparent tolerance or change in chronology. Easily handled. The intoxication is of limited usefulness but the residues are completely relaxing."
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ESP? Psychic? Don't think so...
 
geirka said:
The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative:
ESP? Psychic? Don't think so...
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Did you read PIHKAL? (Phenylethamines I Have Known And Loved) That was quite entertaining, I never read such a big book so quickly.
 
woddyallen, the JREF challenge isn't going to do any test that requires illegal actions (possessing, using a controlled substance), so there is no point in pursuing that. of course, if you are getting the DMT through meditation or something, you should be fine. I (none of us) speak for the JREF, but stuff like this (no illegalities) is pretty standard.

As far as the million goes, if you were able to test and win, you could give the money to any charity in the world. So don't turn your nose up to it is my suggestion.

Your website is not convincing. As a former skeptic, you should understand that skepticism isn't just rolling your eyes at something you find doubtful, instead, it is the active search for solid evidence, and reserving judgement until them.

The first step is evidence of existence. Your site seems to go into method a lot - meditation and the like. It really doesn't matter how you do what you do at this stage. We won't even entertain the question until we have evidence that you actually achieve something.

So that is why some of the posts above ask for verifiable predictions. Let's face it, no one has presented solid evidence for ESP in the entire history of the world, and you are claiming to take reality altering drugs. The most likely explanation is merely that you are mistaken. But, if you are not, you are going to have to provide solid evidence, not websites about meditation, chi, and the like. For example, a prediction like "At 803UTM, January 3rd, 2011, flight 7343 will crash in Quito..." would be very testable and fairly convincing. A prediction like "a major tragedy will occur within six months" is both completely untestable (tragedies happen everyday) and totally unconvincing.

People here will happily work with you to figure out tests, but you have to stop accusing people of being "afraid".

Offer something concrete to us, we are anxious to help you. Really. But only if you stick to reality and drop the accusations of fear and what not.


(some of the rest of you posting are welcome in the "bullying" thread, I'm sure)
 
You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.

To answer the op, No, this is actually the exact opposite of an unexplained phenomenon. You are ingesting a drug and your mind is firing weirdly. If your experience was real, then i would like to give a warning to everyone here that there is no less than one dragon on earth that tends to fly around a beer store in my area. Personally i think this was a hallucination brought on by things i ingested at the time, but if suddenly things experienced on drugs are real, watch out friends.
 
Naddig74 said:
That's 7 words.

Who thinks we'll hear from 'Woddy' again?
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I have since edited this post, I got frustrated and spoke a harsh truth from my perspective.

I JUST WANT STUDY'S NOT DEBATE!!!

CAN DMT create psychic visions?!?!?!
 
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sadhatter said:
You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.
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Agreed. Several acquaintances of mine insist on the existence of 'pixies' on Dartmoor because they did a load of mushrooms and saw them... This wasn't a hallucination brought on by psylocybin, oh no, mushrooms give you the power to see the pixies. The girl I was seeing at the time left me because I scoffed at this; in retrospect, no real loss.

ETA: By this logic, there really is a werewolf living in my garden who looked in the window and told me good jokes, and my friend Paul has the ability to transform himself into a goat.
 
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geirka said:
The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum,
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As long as you are not selling or distributing the drug, there is nothing illegal about linking to a book or article about illegal drugs. Remember, Americans can legally buy High Times at a newsstand or bookstore. American drug laws are insane, but they have not yet been successfully extended to infringe on free speech.

JREF may have stricter policies, however.
 
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Naddig74 said:
ETA: Well, I assumed this was a 'take DMT, see the future thing. ' but it seems he claims to create DMT within his body by meditation and prayer. Go figure.
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The human body creates DMT naturally, so this claim is not necessarily impossible.
 
woddyallen said:
Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC on Psychics, ESP, Remote viewing or what ever you want to call it.

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Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? If so can I partake in a study to finally answer this question, if there are no studys then my question is "WHY?", what are we afraid to discover from a simple study?
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How odd! A few years ago there was someone here at JREF who said almost the same sort of thing.

I think it was 'UndercoverElephant' who claimed that he could communicate with extra-terrestials while under the influence of DMT and therefore he should be awarded the $ 1,000,000 prize money. Of course, he could never proove his claim, so he never got the money.

In short, people can imagine all sorts of things while under the influence of drugs, but that does not mean those things are real.

Therefore, my advice is for you to keep off drugs, to stay sober, and to make money honestly; and you will be much better off.
 
woddyallen said:
I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions?

So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with SCIENCE

CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE :)

PUT UP OR SHUT UP :)
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If you are regularly receiving visions, the easiest way to test this will be to create a diary that is posted on-line and can be verified to see if any of the visions come true. Not posting things after the fact. We had a poster here not long ago who claimed to have visions similar to this (although they were spontaneous, not triggered by, er, stuff). When he posted them in detail, none of them came true.

None.
 
woddyallen said:
"No" is only a word, it is NOT a study, I know about reeling people in to emotions and flaming, I don't want a debate I want a STUDY!

So my question Again, and again and again, Let us do a Clinical Scientific Study and shut me up...do you skeptics want to put this to rest..???

I am not saying DMT Creates Psychic visions!

I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions?

So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with SCIENCE

CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE :)

PUT UP OR SHUT UP :)
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There would first need to be some evidence that psychic visions even exist before a study should be conducted to determine causes. Searching for the cause of a non-existent effect is a complete waste of time.
 
sadhatter said:
You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.

To answer the op, No, this is actually the exact opposite of an unexplained phenomenon. You are ingesting a drug and your mind is firing weirdly. If your experience was real, then i would like to give a warning to everyone here that there is no less than one dragon on earth that tends to fly around a beer store in my area. Personally i think this was a hallucination brought on by things i ingested at the time, but if suddenly things experienced on drugs are real, watch out friends.
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Perhaps the dragon was underaged and was just looking for someone to buy him and his buddies a case or two.

I have never ingested the "harder" hallucinogenic drugs; it must be passing strange to see something like a dragon, even if you realize that it is an effect of the drug.

Woddyallen, we cannot encourage or participate in a study that is illegal in nature. You should be able to understand that.
 
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roger said:
woddyallen, the JREF challenge isn't going to do any test that requires illegal actions (possessing, using a controlled substance), so there is no point in pursuing that. of course, if you are getting the DMT through meditation or something, you should be fine. I (none of us) speak for the JREF, but stuff like this (no illegalities) is pretty standard.
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Doing a clinical study isn't illegal, can you folks make this happen?

roger said:
So that is why some of the posts above ask for verifiable predictions. Let's face it, no one has presented solid evidence for ESP in the entire history of the world, and you are claiming to take reality altering drugs. The most likely explanation is merely that you are mistaken. But, if you are not, you are going to have to provide solid evidence, not websites about meditation, chi, and the like. For example, a prediction like "At 803UTM, January 3rd, 2011, flight 7343 will crash in Quito..." would be very testable and fairly convincing. A prediction like "a major tragedy will occur within six months" is both completely untestable (tragedies happen everyday) and totally unconvincing.
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I thought about including my exwife as a verifiable witness to the DC Sniper being 2 black males one younger one older shooting from the trunk of heir big blue late to mid 80's car, taking turns shooting out of the trunk...When the FBI was looking for a white male in a white van.

But I will ask her for her permission If she is talks Directly To James and you as well Roger, this should not be a problem for her. But she is very fragile and I wouldn't want to expose her to any abuse and bulling from some people, not all here but a couple that may harm her. If you have James ear roger could you relay my idea of doing a study. Keep the money to help people or to expose the true FRAUDS that harm people out there. My Motivation is not money, fame or anything other than seeing if DMT can in fact create Psychic visions. And I think doing a scientific clinical study isn't illegal!

roger said:
People here will happily work with you to figure out tests, but you have to stop accusing people of being "afraid".
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I will no longer accuse people of being afraid, actually it is I who is afraid which is why you picked up on my accusation, I am sorry, I make mistakes and I admit when I am wrong, I WAS WRONG!

roger said:
Offer something concrete to us, we are anxious to help you. Really. But only if you stick to reality and drop the accusations of fear and what not.
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LETS DO THIS, James has connections to psychologists and I am sure as a scientific skeptic he MORE than anyone on earth can MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
 
woddyallen said:
LETS DO THIS, James has connections to psychologists and I am sure as a scientific skeptic he MORE than anyone on earth can MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
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But WHY would he make this happen? If you provided evidence first that psychic visions do exist, then I'm sure scientists will line up at your door wanting to perform experiments to discover the mechanism.

Without evidence, you are asking people to conduct an experiment to discover the cause of an event that almost certainly does not occur.
 
Actually, you've got a concrete suggestion already given above:
Log all your predictions online before the predicted event happens. If the predictions come true, then you've got proof of something that can be investigated. Up to that point, no one has to know how you got your visions. Whether you are taking DMT, licking tomatoes, or sticking beans up your nose to cause the visions is irrelevant. Once you prove that you can actually predict the future, you can begin worrying about the HOW of predicting the future.

Since you say that you are causing DMT to be produced wihtin your body by meditating, all you really need to do is provide some checkable predictions. There's no need to try to get anyone to start a study and get hold of DMT to dose people with.

Prove to yourself FIRST that you really can predict the future. You can prove it to us at the same time. If you really can do it, then the study can be done - but I'd suggest checking for the presence of DMT in the body. That is to say, don't take any. Do your meditation, predict the future, and see if your natural DMT level is elevated (there are tests for such things.)

No need really at all for anyone to be taking controlled substances.
 
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