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Bush Administration Science

Housefly said:
There are scientists outside America. Buildings are demolished outside America. Remember, pretty much everyone with access to a TV has seen the footage of the towers collapsing.

Why have no scientists outside America spoken out against the "government science publications" regarding 9/11? Not philosophy majors and psychiatrists. Relevant scientists with expertise in the field of what makes buildings fall down and what buildings that are being demolished look like.

It's not just "the experts say this is true so it must be true". It's "there are no experts saying this is false, so what reason do I have to think it false?" It's something I have never seen addressed by a CT.
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Isn't this phenomenon interesting? As you say, hundreds of thousands of relevant scientist all over the world do not think it is controlled demolition (all apparently paid off or threatened); but thousands of teen-agers do.

Hmmmm. Thousands of teen-agers watching internet videos and reading PrisonPlanet, or hundreds of thousands of experienced scientists who may or may not have been paid off?

I'm going with the scientists.
 
jessicarabbit said:
Well if they have only seen footage their opinion is worthless surely.
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Actually any engineer could tell what happened on 9/11 with the footage and some knowledge.

It is just the CT truth movement who can not do independent studies on 9/11 and come up with anything but. Get this.

The want the Government to study it again.

The same government who they say messed it up.

They want an independent research though, what is stopping them doing it themselves if they know they have all the ideas? .

But I think many at this forum could research 9/11 and independently confirmed their ideas on how it happen with no government help.

Now why are CT 9/11 movement of truth unable to come up with facts and evidence to support their claims? You brought up no facts, just a paper you use to make a faulty correlation to the events of 9/11.
 
delphi_ote said:
Ouch. Jessica pretty much just dug the grave for her own theory there.
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I did no such thing. Just used your own argunents against you. I'm not interested in second hand accounts you have made up about engineers living overseas. Lets stick to those directly involved in the investigation.
 
jessicarabbit said:
Well if they have only seen footage their opinion is worthless surely.
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Yet, YOUR opinion is worthy of serious discussion? My irony meter just blew a fuse!

I take it then that you were actually at Ground Zero, and that you've personally met the dogs that were taken off duty, and interviewed those firefighters and FEMA teams.
 
Mince said:
Isn't this phenomenon interesting? As you say, hundreds of thousands of relevant scientist all over the world do not think it is controlled demolition (all apparently paid off or threatened); but thousands of teen-agers do.

Hmmmm. Thousands of teen-agers watching internet videos and reading PrisonPlanet, or hundreds of thousands of experienced scientists who may or may not have been paid off?

I'm going with the scientists.
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Show me these testimonies of hundreds of thousands of engineers.
 
jessicarabbit said:
I did no such thing. Just used your own argunents against you. I'm not interested in second hand accounts you have made up about engineers living overseas. Lets stick to those directly involved in the investigation.
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oh no a small tangent

what do you say about those diretly involved in the investigation, some who only saw video of the event, or the event, or what

What would docker do?

Which engineers are you worried about, who was bad, who is good?

Are there some engineers you have a problem with by name?
 
jessicarabbit said:
Show me these testimonies of hundreds of thousands of engineers.
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That's just it:

There is no testimony.

Do you actually want every single scientist on the face of the earth to testify that they agree with NIST's and FEMA's assessment?

Well, then you're going to have to subpoena them, not me.
 
Mince said:
That's just it:

There is no testimony.

Do you actually want every single scientist on the face of the earth to testify that they agree with NIST's and FEMA's assessment?

Well, then you're going to have to subpoena them, not me.
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Well stop claiming they all agree then
 
jessicarabbit said:
Well if they have only seen footage their opinion is worthless surely.
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Hey, we agree on something! :)

Here you go.

NIST World Trade Center Investigation Team
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
Phone: (301) 975-6051
Fax: (301) 975-6122
Email: wtc@nist.gov

National Construction Safety Team for WTC Investigation
http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/

Be sure to ask them to tell you if they'd tell you if they're lying.
 
They are scientists. Have you ever read the "letters to the editor" section when a recent paper has come out and has less than credible evidenc/science in it. The section is full of comments from other scientists in the particular field, tearing the paper apart. Now when the NIST report came out, did we see any outcry of engineers in america, calling for the NIST leaders heads because their science or evidence was bad...no.

So you will not get "testimonies", but let me tell you, in the science community, of which I am a part, when a paper of such magnitude and importance comes out, and few if any complain of its contents or findings, the community as a whole is showing its support of the paper through its silence.

TAM
 
jessicarabbit said:
Show me these testimonies of hundreds of thousands of engineers.
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It's called "negative reporting" in the business world, bunny wunny! I handle about forty thousand shipments a year for a major retailer. They don't want to see a report on every shipment that was on time - they want a tickle email, though, on anything that's not making the logistics window. In short, you report the exceptions.

And, if you actually studied statistical methods and their application to real world situations, you'd know that this is a valid form of measurement.

So, YOU show us the thousands (or hundreds or dozens) of engineers who disagree with FEMA/NIST. As it stands, you've got Dr. Steve and Gordon Ross, and a bunch of oral hygienists who call themselves "scholars".


Originally Posted by jessicarabbit
I did no such thing. Just used your own argunents against you. I'm not interested in second hand accounts you have made up about engineers living overseas. Lets stick to those directly involved in the investigation.
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Weally, wabbit? And if we were to link you to those Swiss video watchers (engineers) who say that CD was involved, you wouldn't say they were valid? Weally? Twuly?

How about if Bell links the demo guy in the Netherlands? He's a foreigner who watched a video, yet he's the poster boy for the Truth Movement.
 
jessicarabbit said:
Well stop claiming they all agree then
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found an engineer with the correct answer, proving your thread topic wrong

Leslie E. Robertson is a structural engineer who designed the World Trade Center.

Leslie E. Robertson, , said: "It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others. The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing 707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument
 
Gravy said:
Hey, we agree on something! :)

Here you go.

NIST World Trade Center Investigation Team
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
Phone: (301) 975-6051
Fax: (301) 975-6122
Email: wtc@nist.gov

National Construction Safety Team for WTC Investigation
http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/

Be sure to ask them to tell you if they'd tell you if they're lying.
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Will do hun.

I've still got no reply from Fox and 911 Mysteries.
 
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