Bush Administration Science

[crucial_fiction]

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So you're stating that all this "Iraqi Tube Stuff' located on pg 14, pgs 21 and 22 of the acrobat file...

Directly correlate with the 9-11 investigation?

How?

 

[delphi_ote]

Ok I will contact them. I find it very unlikely that they would admit it if they are.

So no matter what their answer is, it won't change your opinion. Do you see how some of us might believe you're not open to evidence?

 

[Usual Suspect]

I wonder if the straw men suffer global collapse due to fire

Fire and Steele definitely would cause a global collapse sweetie.

 

[jessicarabbit]

So you're stating that all this "Iraqi Tube Stuff' located on pg 14, pgs 21 and 22 of the acrobat file...

Directly correlate with the 9-11 investigation?

How?

They don't directly correlate but they are a precedent for the government manipulating scientists to further their war mongering. The administration now has no credibility when it comes to science. The NIST report is not independent and therefore unreliable.

 

[jessicarabbit]

So no matter what their answer is, it won't change your opinion. Do you see how some of us might believe you're not open to evidence?

I am totally open to evidence. I read gravys paper and the NIST report. This study just makes me doubt government science publications.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

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[crucial_fiction]

They don't directly correlate but they are a precedent for the government manipulating scientists to further their war mongering. The administration now has no credibility when it comes to science. The NIST report is not independent and therefore unreliable.

So what evidence to you support to be the truth? Now, when you list your sources, please list thier qualifications, what works they have done in the past outside of conspiracy theories and I'll be happy to look at them.

Now, anyone that is/was/has had any relationship with anyone/any organization government affiliated WILL be automaticly thrown out due to our understanding above.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[jessicarabbit]

Hmm it seems posts are being reported

 

[delphi_ote]

I am totally open to evidence. I read gravys paper and the NIST report. This study just makes me doubt government science publications.

Except the evidence which contradicts your claim. Nobody in the Union of Concerned Scientists is talking about the NIST report being a fabrication. Scientists and experts don't like it when politicians step on their toes. They make a big stink about it. They go to the news media.

On this issue, there is utter silence from the community of experts. No controversy. Just quiet. Are all of the structural engineers in the country covering up this alleged atrocity? All of them?

 

[jessicarabbit]

So what evidence to you support to be the truth? Now, when you list your sources, please list thier qualifications, what works they have done in the past outside of conspiracy theories and I'll be happy to look at them.

Now, anyone that is/was/has had any relationship with anyone/any organization government affiliated WILL be automaticly thrown out due to our understanding above.

I won't hold my breath.

Don't hold it because I am not relying on anyones work.

Its a logical fallacy anyway since CT scientists would naturally be opposed by the government.

 

[Gravy]

I am totally open to evidence. I read gravys paper and the NIST report. This study just makes me doubt government science publications.

Can you explain why you think the NIST engineers and scientists would lie to you, and how you intend to determine if they are lying?

As for you being open to evidence and reading my WTC 7 paper, your summary of the eyewitness accounts of WTC 7's condition was that "there was some damage." You didn't even mention the fires, or respond to my question about that. So I hope you can see why people are skeptical about what you glean from the information you gather.

 

[jessicarabbit]

Except the evidence which contradicts your claim. Nobody in the Union of Concerned Scientists is talking about the NIST report being a fabrication. Scientists and experts don't like it when politicians step on their toes. They make a big stink about it. They go to the news media.

On this issue, there is utter silence from the community of experts. No controversy. Just quiet. Are all of the structural engineers in the country covering up this alleged atrocity? All of them?

Have you asked every engineer in the country?

They are very unlikely to break ranks and come under fire and lose their jobs?

 

[jessicarabbit]

Can you explain why you think the NIST engineers and scientists would lie to you, and how you intend to determine if they are lying?

Im suggesting the government would pressure them. We can't determine they are lying unless an independent investigation is conducted.

 

[crucial_fiction]

Except the evidence which contradicts your claim. Nobody in the Union of Concerned Scientists is talking about the NIST report being a fabrication. Scientists and experts don't like it when politicians step on their toes. They make a big stink about it. They go to the news media.

On this issue, there is utter silence from the community of experts. No controversy. Just quiet. Are all of the structural engineers in the country covering up this alleged atrocity? All of them?

Even though I'm not a structural engineer I am currently serving in the US Navy and almost complete with my electrical engineering degree. Delphi, I can tell you that near the end of my course study I will be required to sign a non-disclousre agreement between myself and the US government that basicly says "If you come forward you and your entire family will die." I think the structural guys' argreement is far worse though...

 

[crucial_fiction]

Don't hold it because I am not relying on anyones work.

Its a logical fallacy anyway since CT scientists would naturally be opposed by the government.

Then please show YOUR work. I'll take a look at it. Oh wait, all you have is opinion. Well played Jessica, Well played.

 

[delphi_ote]

Have you asked every engineer in the country?

Their complete silence in public is obvious.

They are very unlikely to break ranks and come under fire and lose their jobs?

So they're all cowards. They're sitting on obvious evidence that their leader murdered thousands of people, but they're too afraid of getting in trouble to tell anyone about it? All of them?

 

[jessicarabbit]

Have you asked every engineer in the country?
Their complete silence in public is obvious.

So they're all cowards. They're sitting on obvious evidence that their leader murdered thousands of people, but they're too afraid of getting in trouble to tell anyone about it? All of them?

Try asking them instead of speaking for them.

 

[Bell]

Im suggesting the government would pressure them. We can't determine they are lying unless an independent investigation is conducted.

Bolding mine.

 

[delphi_ote]

Even though I'm not a structural engineer I am currently serving in the US Navy and almost complete with my electrical engineering degree. Delphi, I can tell you that near the end of my course study I will be required to sign a non-disclousre agreement between myself and the US government that basicly says "If you come forward you and your entire family will die."

You are a liar. I've seen plenty of such agreements. None said any such thing. Produce it or retract your claim.

 

[Mince]

Im suggesting the government would pressure them. We can't determine they are lying unless an independent investigation is conducted.

You don't think a government powerful and nefarious enough to kill 3000 of its kindred would not also "get to" any independent investigators and influence them likewise?