Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I think it is likely that Mills believes his own theories,

Based on what?

The science on manipulative people demonstrates otherwise.

A guy who buys chicken liver in order to pretend he is pulling cancer out of a cancer victim does not believe he is healing them.

A person using electronics to "hear" prayer requests or whatever knows damned well his electronics, not superpowers, are doing the job.

Etc. Nobody knows better than the manipulative person himself that he is completely full of ****.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Mills has been careful with his claims, staying just barely within the realm of plausibly mistaken results. I had been thinking that he would never claim to have a self-runner because that would eventually be shown to be trickery of some sort.

That doesn't pan out because he's actually claiming to have a product he can sell.

'Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” identified by multiple analytical methods'

Announced in a quarterly report a year ago. Not getting much response from the Mills supporters about why there are no reports of sale or glowing reviews from the customers who've purchased it. He also claimed he was going to show the world the hydrino compounds he's been claiming to have for about a decade, maybe more. Not getting much explanation about how he failed to do such a simple thing since he's been claiming to actually them in the report.. Even included pictures of them. They look cotton candy'ish.

 

[The Man]

An idea occurred to me of where Mills might be going next.

Mills has been careful with his claims, staying just barely within the realm of plausibly mistaken results. I had been thinking that he would never claim to have a self-runner because that would eventually be shown to be trickery of some sort.

But what if he claimed to have a working self-running prototype, but with just one minor flaw: leakage causing it to consume hydrogen at a higher rate than expected. He could explain it away as a minor engineering problem that could be solved with just a bit more funding. That could work as long as he is careful not to disclose exactly how much extra hydrogen it actually takes to keep the device running.

Generally the approach seems to be something perhaps read by someone recently. For example the concentrator photovoltaics shtick, someone might have read how efficient they can be so the 'suncell' centered on them. Evidently without understanding how and why they work so efficiently. Same with the purported MHD approach from one of the recent reports. Looks like someone read about an MHD generator and made up some drawings that indicate a lack of understanding about how such generators work.

So what's the latest buzz word technology going around?

http://www.rh.gatech.edu/features/12-emerging-technologies-may-help-power-future

Seeback generators (thermoelectric generator) may be the next buzzword tech for mills.


http://news.mit.edu/2018/topological-materials-turning-heat-electricity-0117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator

https://www.researchgate.net/public...in_Thermoelectric_Power_Generation_Technology


While 5-8 % efficient it's in the range of the suncell where you harvest only 1/4 of the energy with a 33% efficient device.

 

[Dr.Sid]

I always thought this is based on the good old cold fusion ..

 

[The Man]

I always thought this is based on the good old cold fusion ..

I think it is more like Mills and proponents think the purported "cold fusion" results were based on hydrinos.

 

[The Norseman]

Based on what?

The science on manipulative people demonstrates otherwise.

A guy who buys chicken liver in order to pretend he is pulling cancer out of a cancer victim does not believe he is healing them.

A person using electronics to "hear" prayer requests or whatever knows damned well his electronics, not superpowers, are doing the job.

Etc. Nobody knows better than the manipulative person himself that he is completely full of ****.

Very good point. Needs repeating, hence the quote.

Generally the approach seems to be something perhaps read by someone recently. For example the concentrator photovoltaics shtick, someone might have read how efficient they can be so the 'suncell' centered on them. Evidently without understanding how and why they work so efficiently. Same with the purported MHD approach from one of the recent reports. Looks like someone read about an MHD generator and made up some drawings that indicate a lack of understanding about how such generators work.

So what's the latest buzz word technology going around?

http://www.rh.gatech.edu/features/12-emerging-technologies-may-help-power-future

Seeback generators (thermoelectric generator) may be the next buzzword tech for mills.


http://news.mit.edu/2018/topological-materials-turning-heat-electricity-0117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator

https://www.researchgate.net/public...in_Thermoelectric_Power_Generation_Technology


While 5-8 % efficient it's in the range of the suncell where you harvest only 1/4 of the energy with a 33% efficient device.

Wouldn't the "dark matter" buzz also fit in there somewhere?

 

[jrhowell]

That doesn't pan out because he's actually claiming to have a product he can sell.

'Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” identified by multiple analytical methods'

Announced, but never delivered, like many Mills promises over the years. As long as he doesn’t actually try to sell any fake hydrinos he is in the clear.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Announced, but never delivered, like many Mills promises over the years. As long as he doesn’t actually try to sell any fake hydrinos he is in the clear.

I have no idea what possess Mills' fans to excuse his obvious lies. What excuses do you make for the money he has ripped off from investors.?

 

[jrhowell]

I have no idea what possess Mills' fans to excuse his obvious lies. What excuses do you make for the money he has ripped off from investors.?

I do not excuse his behavior. I just believe that he is canny enough to avoid prosecution.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I do not excuse his behavior. I just believe that he is canny enough to avoid prosecution.

You just said he was in the clear. Is he in the clear or not?

 

[jrhowell]

You just said he was in the clear. Is he in the clear or not?

I think he is a successful scammer. He may very well be in the clear legally.

Added: saying that they plan to sell something is a forward looking statement. I don’t believe that investors have any recourse if they (BLP) fail to accomplish their goals.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I think he is a successful scammer. He may very well be in the clear legally.

Could you possibly be more confusing then? Most definitions of scam would imply an illegal fraud. And most definitions of "in the clear" would imply he's neither guilty of illegal or even legal trickery. Don't say that.

 

[jrhowell]

Could you possibly be more confusing then? Most definitions of scam would imply an illegal fraud. And most definitions of "in the clear" would imply he's neither guilty of illegal or even legal trickery. Don't say that.

The law is imperfect. I believe that it is possible to behave dishonesty and trick people out of money while staying within the limits of the law. Mills may have managed to do that. In the end it will be up to investors to sue him and make their case in court if they think they have one.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

The law is imperfect. I believe that it is possible to behave dishonesty and trick people out of money while staying within the limits of the law. Mills may have managed to do that. In the end it will be up to investors to sue him and make their case in court if they think they have one.

Well, that's all nice. But if you actually believe the guy is a scammer could you before more careful about posting things that say he isn't?

 

[jrhowell]

Well, that's all nice. But if you actually believe the guy is a scammer could you before more careful about posting things that say he isn't?

I didn’t think that my original statement would be misunderstood. I will try to be more clear in the future.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Added: saying that they plan to sell something is a forward looking statement. I don’t believe that investors have any recourse if they (BLP) fail to accomplish their goals.

I didn't see your "Added" until now. He did not say they planned to sell it, he said he has 'Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” identified by multiple analytical methods'. That's a statement of current status. It's wrong now if it hasn't been confirmed by multiple anlalytical methods. It's also wrong if it's not really a product right now.

Further, in the same quarterly reports, he said he planned to show the world the compounds he's been claiming to have for about a decade, possibly more. While technically that is a forward looking statement, it's a damn simple one to accomplish unless he's been lying about actually having them.

 

[bruto]

Well, that's all nice. But if you actually believe the guy is a scammer could you before more careful about posting things that say he isn't?

I have always understood "in the clear" to mean more what jr howell meant - being technically within the law - and did not find it confusing in context.

 

[markie]

What's the power input?

Still don't know the power input, I can only guess. My ballpark guess is 5kW.

Why are you still assuming the video starts with the apparatus at room temperature, when the thing is already running at the start of the video?

Yes it is running at the start of the video ; the liquid gallium is being pumped. But there is no hydrogen. Only when the hydrogen is added does the reaction proceed and the temperature start to rise.
A key to understanding how we can know it starts near room temperature is to see how quickly the shade of red changes. One can tell the temperature by the shade of red. 500C is a dark dull red. 800 is a bright glowing red.
See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...e_colors_(temperature_range_550_-_1300_C).svg
The video shows the top of the sphere going from about 500C to 800C in just 6 seconds or so. A temperature rise from 20C to 500C would take about 6*(500-20)/(800-500) =~ 10 seconds, which is roughly the time it takes to achieve a dull dark red at 500C once the hydrogen is turned on.

Given that the arc is high current at low voltage, what do you think the capacitors are for?

Capacitors can do low voltage high current. See for instance
https://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/cells

 

[markie]

I think it is more like Mills and proponents think the purported "cold fusion" results were based on hydrinos.

And then there are some of us who disagree with Mills and say there is both hydrino and cold fusion phenomena.

 

[markie]

I think we can expect with some certainty that, on the 26th February, markie will claim that the prototype SunCell has been proven to work to his personal satisfaction, and that therefore he wins. That will then buy him another six months of referring back to his own declaration before pointing out that the object shown to be doing something six months previously was not in fact a prototype of a fully marketable device, and a considerable amount of additional engineering will be needed before a commercial release is likely. No doubt there will be some peripheral part of the technology that, although a solved engineering problem for a century or so, is slightly beyond the ability of BLP to adapt to their surprisingly unique requirements.

tl;dr version: Rinse and repeat.

Dave

He was asked at the time for the criteria for a working device and he stated:



So far even Mills isn't claiming to have that.

(Though of course markie could claim that the capacitors are only charged from the grid ahead of time and are not connected at the time the device is briefly running.)

Well I don't think Mills will have it closed loop - to recharge the capacitors - by the end of February. Achieving a closed loop device that runs for several minutes at obviously very high power would sway some reasonable skeptics here. (There would have to be outside validators present as well.) But I can't see that happening within the month. So I'll lose the bet and, darn, have to eat my humble pie.