Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[HappySkeptic99]

Everyone else knows about an election and hydrogen atom (including Mills!) even if you seem ignorant, markie.
An electron has an intrinsic angular moment (spin) of 1/2 h bar. An electron in an orbital also has an orbital angular moment. For the S-orbital that orbital angular moment is zero.

N.B. "orbital" has nothing to do with orbital mechanics which is gravitation. An atomic orbital is the set of possible positions for an electron in an atom. We have measured the positions of excited electrons in H atoms. They match what QM predicts. Electrons are found from close to the nucleus to far from the nucleus. They are not atom sized spheres !

Look here for a review of measuring atomic wavefunctions.

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/58

Thus when someone writes In Mills construction the current density is zero, when the angular momentum is zero, because every current loop has a matching current loop in the other direction, at essentially the same points in space. and For the S orbital, its angular momentum is zero then they are writing about orbital angular momentum.

I thought it was obvious that I meant orbital angular momentum being zero, when I was talking about an S orbital, and I even mentioned the spin as something extra. It seems that everyone but markie realized that too.

 

[markie]

Look here for a review of measuring atomic wavefunctions.

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/58

That article from about five years ago has only 3 cites, which makes me think it may not be as definitive as presented.

I thought it was obvious that I meant orbital angular momentum being zero, when I was talking about an S orbital, and I even mentioned the spin as something extra. It seems that everyone but markie realized that too.

Pardon me if I assumed the worse - that you were trying to pull a fast one.
Yes of course the hydrogen atom has zero orbital angular momentum, in contrast to its other orbitals that are not S orbitals. Those other orbitals do not have a uniform charge and current density on the sphere as does the S orbital. The uniform current density of the S orbital does not mean that every current ring has a current ring going the opposite direction at the same place, as HappySkeptic was implying.

To others: yes Mills has the electron having hbar of spin, not hbar/2, the latter figure which would seem congruent with the Stern Gerlach experiment.
But Mills has that experiment revealing the only the spin in the Z axis, while the rest of the spin is tucked away in the XY plane. Classically and physically, the strength of the magnetic dipole infers the spin is actually hbar, not hbar/2, since after all the electron spin G factor is about 2.

I'll be posting here much less frequently as I have other matters to attend to. No sobbing please, keep it together.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

I'll be posting here much less frequently as I have other matters to attend to. No sobbing please, keep it together.

Did you forget you lost your bet deadline and time to eat crow?

Or still holding out for a miraculous resurrection of that dead horse you keep beating?

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I'll be posting here much less frequently as I have other matters to attend to. No sobbing please, keep it together.

Matters like running away from the fact that Mills lied about having hydrino compounds. Slightly over a year ago he promised to show the world the compounds he's been claiming to have for years. He didn't. What a ******* surprise. He even claimed to have Product Hydrino® “in a bottle”". So what's the price on that bottle? No one can buy them, they don't exist.


And of course, this is also the month you once promised that skeptics were going to be rocked by developments coming out of BLP. Guess what? It's not going to happen.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Now now, maybe markie will be busy with the massive amount of millsian power units he as a first order believer will surely receive and the reselling of said units to become a billionaire overnight.

Because this was really truly the month it will really truly happen right? Not like every single other time Mills was going to produce something.

 

[8enotto]

Did OG get enough real science for the next edition of the Mible?

Knock out some of the obvious errors and smooth over the rest?

 

[8enotto]

Dupe post

 

[Dr.Sid]

Well I am rocked. By the fact this thread keeps running. I think it can be shortened to like 2 posts.

Markie: this is cool !
X: it's fake

After which nothing reasonable can't be said anymore (and wasn't). Yet people somehow managed to keep it going.

 

[HappySkeptic99]

That article from about five years ago has only 3 cites, which makes me think it may not be as definitive as presented.

The article was merely a review. The main article it is talking about is https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.213001 , which has been reference 41 times, and is in the most prestigious journal in physics.

The above article is behind a paywall, but a direct copy is https://physics.aps.org/featured-article-pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.213001

 

[Hans]

Well I am rocked. By the fact this thread keeps running. I think it can be shortened to like 2 posts.

Markie: this is cool !
X: it's fake

After which nothing reasonable can't be said anymore (and wasn't). Yet people somehow managed to keep it going.

It can be shorten even further: This is markie tired from beating the dead horse over the past few years - he needs a rest from trauma of it all.

 

[Reality Check]

That article from about five years ago has only 3 cites, which makes me think it may not be as definitive as presented.

You misunderstand what "review" means in this context, markie.

This is a review article listing the current status of measuring atomic wavefunctions. The article itself lists previous experiments and a experiment by the authors to confirm that those experiments were looking at populated quantum states.
The earliest reference in the review is Tomographic imaging of molecular orbitals by J. Itatani, et. al. published 2004 in the high impact journal Nature. This paper has 1495 citations !

Viewpoint: A New Look at the Hydrogen Wave Function (written in 2013 and referencing papers back to 2004) is not a scientific paper and we do not expect many citations from scientific papers. What we do see in Google Scholar is

• Visualizing the Coupling between Red and Blue Stark States Using Photoionization Microscopy
• Orbitals in chemical education. An analysis through their graphical representations
• A PDF in Spanish?
• A Hungarian? web site.

 

[Reality Check]

markie blindly believes more of Mills insanity (an electron spin of hbar, etc.)

To others: yes Mills has the electron having hbar of spin, not hbar/2, the latter figure which would seem congruent with the Stern Gerlach experiment. ...

markie blindly believes more of Mills' lies (an electron spin of hbar and the Stern Gerlach experiment)

The Stern Gerlach experiment does not measure the spin of elections. The Stern Gerlach experiment shows that whatever spin an electron has is quantized (has two different states that cannot be classical spin). The article uses electrons of spin 1/2 hbar to describe theory behind the experiment because that is a measured and fundamental property of electrons.

Mills has the abyssal delusion of spin being "tucked away in the XY plane". Mills bases this delusion on "the electron spin G factor is about 2".

The electron spin g factor is the proportionality constant between measured electron magnetic moment and its spin. In classical physics, g_e has to be 2. The measured value is −2.0023193043622(15) and is matched by QED to around 1 part in 1 trillion.

 

[Darat]

Now now, maybe markie will be busy with the massive amount of millsian power units he as a first order believer will surely receive and the reselling of said units to become a billionaire overnight.

Because this was really truly the month it will really truly happen right? Not like every single other time Mills was going to produce something.

I suspect Markie at the moment will have to wait until he can get to a public WiFi area as he will have had his power at home disconnected in anticipation of his new dark matter generator being delivered...

 

[Darat]

Well I am rocked. By the fact this thread keeps running. I think it can be shortened to like 2 posts.

Markie: this is cool !
X: it's fake

After which nothing reasonable can't be said anymore (and wasn't). Yet people somehow managed to keep it going.

I think your summary is wrong, what has been said from the very first of the original thread is:

BLP proponents : this is cool!
Everyone else: Show me!

 

[halleyscomet]

I'll be posting here much less frequently as I have other matters to attend to. No sobbing please, keep it together.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...s-3-yes-they-can-be-that-stupid/#1718e4405baa

 

[Spektator]

The topic is not maths, formulae, electrons, or even hydrogen, but the imminent appearance on the market of working BLP generators, correct? On 9 January 2017 michaelsuede posted the OP, which included this declaration:

Mills is projecting production units to be ready for delivery by the second half of 2017, with a fully prototyped working generator ready for field testing by the first half of 2017. Once Mills rolls out that first generator, be prepared for a monumental media **** storm to hit the public.

Now I'm sure many of you will scream, "IT'S A SCAM - THEY'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS!!!!!1111!! LSKDJFLSKDJFJ"

All the evidence indicates - not screaming here - BLP is a scam. And has been for 30 years.

 

[HappySkeptic99]

The topic is not maths, formulae, electrons, or even hydrogen, but the imminent appearance on the market of working BLP generators, correct? On 9 January 2017 michaelsuede posted the OP, which included this declaration:



All the evidence indicates - not screaming here - BLP is a scam. And has been for 30 years.

I think it is likely that Mills believes his own theories, but that even he knows that the product promises are not backed by reality.

 

[Mike!]

I think it is likely that Mills believes his own theories, but that even he knows that the product promises are not backed by reality.

I saw a commercial earlier today for some new narcolepsy drug. I now wonder if he isn't suffering from some rare form of narcolepsy where he can no longer distinguish between dreams and reality.
I know that's an extreme 'benefit of the doubt' senario, just tossing out the possibility that he spends at least a portion of his life in a world where his crazy idea actually works.
That's all.
(Mills, thinking to himself) "Odd, we had it running just fine for weeks, then I go home one night, go to bed, get up the next morning to discover someone must have shut it down in the night. It's stone cold and now it won't restart no matter how hard I try. That and everyone is acting like we've never had it running, but I know better. And someone has stolen my Nobel Prize again, I know I'd hung it right there..."

 

[The Norseman]

This is odd... markie announces his plan to not communicate and after that, not a single Mills shill makes a peep even though there are still many questions unanswered.

I'm not implying that there are any sockpuppets or anything but it just strikes me as being rather strange that no one else is talking about how great Mills is or wonderful the "science" is.

 

[The Norseman]

This is odd... markie announces his plan to not communicate and after that, not a single Mills shill makes a peep even though there are still many questions unanswered.

I'm not implying that there are any sockpuppets or anything but it just strikes me as being rather strange that no one else is talking about how great Mills is or wonderful the "science" is.