Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[RecoveringYuppy]

I have always understood "in the clear" to mean more what jr howell meant - being technically within the law - and did not find it confusing in context.

Seems to me that "in the clear" means more than that such as not also being plausibly sued by his investors or not even at blame at all. Is there a lawyer in the thread that can rule out that misleading investors to this degree wouldn't be criminal fraud? But even if it is only civil fraud at stake I don't see that as "in the clear".

From Collins: "If someone is in the clear, they are not in danger, or are not blamed or suspected of anything."

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Well I don't think Mills will have it closed loop - to recharge the capacitors - by the end of February. Achieving a closed loop device that runs for several minutes at obviously very high power would sway some reasonable skeptics here. (There would have to be outside validators present as well.) But I can't see that happening within the month. So I'll lose the bet and, darn, have to eat my humble pie.

Yes of course you lose that bet. But what you still have not accepted yet is that Mills will never accomplish the above ever. You can make a new bet for 6 years from now, or 60 years from now, or infinity years from now. It simply can't happen because hydrinos don't exist. That's the real humble pie you have to eat, and it's not nearly as tasty as that fruit pie a few posts back. Quite bitter actually.

 

[The Man]

Very good point. Needs repeating, hence the quote.




Wouldn't the "dark matter" buzz also fit in there somewhere?

Absolutely, though not as purported tech for the next device iteration but similar to the negative space time curvature claims of Mills for the electron. Just something else to barely and superficially tack onto the overall purported theory. While apparently ignoring the geometric and topological consequences of the geometry. As I recall, every point would be a saddle point, topologically speaking, there would be no preferential low energy point, as is the case of a positively curved gravity well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_space

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle_point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry

https://www.ams.org/journals/tran/1...-1969-0251664-4/S0002-9947-1969-0251664-4.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_vector_field

The purported theory just seems to osmosivly subsume anything out there but again in a way evidently lacking any understanding or actual application of what it consumes.

 

[Reality Check]

Still cannot understand the video he is touting

Still don't know the power input,...

Still cannot understand the video he is touting!

It is a company propaganda video containing no science or numbers. His fantasies about it are just that. A "5kW" input fantasy. A "liquid gallium is being pumped" fantasy when all we hear is unknown machinery and muffled vices. An irrelevant guess about the power output.

The entire text of the description is "Capacitor Bank Ignition System Testing of a Spherical SunCell® Hydrino Reactor." ! This sounds like the test of ignition, not a test of a running, alleged "reactor". This might even be an empty sphere being heated by capacitors. It is probably chemical reactions inside a sphere heating it up. This has been done for centuries.

 

[dudalb]

Judging by past iterations Mills has now managed to persuade enough suckers to cough up the cash to keep him going for another five years or so. So I'd expect everything to go quiet for about 4 years, and then there will be another "about to go to market" announcement and the whole cycle will repeat.

More proof that no matter if he really said it or not, PT Barnum's statement on the high birthrate of the very gullible is still valid.

 

[Myriad]

Still don't know the power input, I can only guess. My ballpark guess is 5kW.

Given that one of the only claims in the video posting is that it's running off a different power source (capacitors), of what value is your guess? Capacitors are typically used to deliver short bursts of very high power levels.

Yes it is running at the start of the video ; the liquid gallium is being pumped. But there is no hydrogen. Only when the hydrogen is added does the reaction proceed and the temperature start to rise.

At what time mark in the video is the hydrogen added? What in the video (or audio) indicates the addition of the hydrogen?

Or is that another of your guesses?

A key to understanding how we can know it starts near room temperature is to see how quickly the shade of red changes. One can tell the temperature by the shade of red. 500C is a dark dull red. 800 is a bright glowing red.
See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...e_colors_(temperature_range_550_-_1300_C).svg
The video shows the top of the sphere going from about 500C to 800C in just 6 seconds or so. A temperature rise from 20C to 500C would take about 6*(500-20)/(800-500) =~ 10 seconds, which is roughly the time it takes to achieve a dull dark red at 500C once the hydrogen is turned on.

The dull dark red of 500C would not be visible in lighted conditions. So it's starting at higher than 500C. Your 800C estimate based on the shades of red viewed in a browser is equally questionable. Also, we don't know how hot the interior surface of the sphere is at the start (or at any other time). We could be seeing mostly the passive conduction of heat from the interior to the exterior surface during those 6 seconds, which wouldn't necessarily require any power (input or generated) at all during those 6 seconds.

If only there were devices BLP could use to actually measure and display the power inputs, temperatures, mass flows and other relevant parameters of the run. Then you wouldn't have to guess.

Oh, well. As the old saying goes, if wishes were horses, we'd all have to spend a lot of time shoveling wish manure.

Capacitors can do low voltage high current. See for instance
https://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/cells

Of course they can. But why are they being used in this setup, instead of whatever power supply BLP has been using for its arcs in all previous "tests"?

Could it be because they needed a higher power level for their "ignition" system? If so, congratulations, they've shown that a lot of power can make something heat up fast. If they had a time machine, maybe they could amaze Aristotle with that finding. But probably not.

 

[Hans]

If so, congratulations, they've shown that a lot of power can make something heat up fast.

Well at least Mills FINALLY accomplished SOMETHING.

Next maybe he'll have a video of his using hydrinos to cool it down!!!

 

[halleyscomet]

https://xkcd.com/2100/

 

[markie]

If only there were devices BLP could use to actually measure and display the power inputs, temperatures, mass flows and other relevant parameters of the run. Then you wouldn't have to guess.

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

 

[Dave Rogers]

If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

As you and your fellow Mills groupies have been "just saying" for thirty years. Any day now.....

Dave

 

[LTC8K6]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Wake up, you are dreaming.

On several levels.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

So where have you moved the goalposts now?

 

[halleyscomet]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided!

I suspect Mills learned his lesson from the spectrum debacle. He tried providing hard data there, only to be exposed as having faked the data when his results were outside of what the hardware could produce. Then he cocked it up again by repeating the "experiment" with hardware that could get the readings he wanted but he had the new data magically match the random noise generated by the previous hardware! At that point his defenders have to argue that it was a stunning coincidence that random noise from one piece of hardware just happened to perfectly match what Mills wanted to see and what he claimed to detect with different hardware.

Lying is much easier when you leave out details that can be checked or calculated.

 

[MEequalsIxR]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided!
[snip]

No one will believe anything without them that's for sure. The person making the claim is the one that has the burden of proof and so far all yammer on Mills part with no proof at all. Since this has dragged on for decades there is even less reason to believe what he says. Compounding the credibility problem for Mills is he has a lot at stake in making the claims. He seems to come across more a W.C. Fields character than scientist.

At least if there was some data people could run calculations and see if there was any validity to them so it would be a first step.

[snip]
If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Either that or the believers will soon be given another round of the same excuses to swallow. I can just hear Mills saying (spoken like Maxwell Smart) "missed it by that much".

 

[Red Baron Farms]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Galium burns too you know. Just like Magnesium and Titanium and every other so called "catalyst" for Mill's so called "hydrino" reaction. And "mostly" is not the same as "all", nor is it quantified to give us a range of scientific error. In fact it could be anywhere from 50.1% to 99.9% This means every version of Mill's equipment has multiple mundane explanations without having to resort to fantasy unicorn farts (hydrinos).

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

LOLZ It is ridiculously easy to find conventional mechanisms for power output when the equipment Mills uses is as poorly controlled as that. We don't even have an estimate of energy inputs, much less any measurements of output at all! Just look as say wow it turned cherry red LMAO. The only shame here is that Mills actually conned people into investing in such a kindergarten effort.

 

[Darat]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?



Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Without the figures how can Mills know all this?

 

[Dancing David]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

This is demagoguery
If Mills met even the basic standards there would be something to talk about

1. Independent observation and hopefully inspection
2. Measurement of actual inputs
3. Standard still water baths to calculate calorie output
4. Established running times

Then I think you would be surprised by the response people here would show.

 

[markie]

Galium burns too you know. Just like Magnesium and Titanium and every other so called "catalyst" for Mill's so called "hydrino" reaction. And "mostly" is not the same as "all", nor is it quantified to give us a range of scientific error. In fact it could be anywhere from 50.1% to 99.9% This means every version of Mill's equipment has multiple mundane explanations without having to resort to fantasy unicorn farts (hydrinos).

LOLZ It is ridiculously easy to find conventional mechanisms for power output when the equipment Mills uses is as poorly controlled as that. We don't even have an estimate of energy inputs, much less any measurements of output at all! Just look as say wow it turned cherry red LMAO. The only shame here is that Mills actually conned people into investing in such a kindergarten effort.

You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.

 

[markie]

This is demagoguery
If Mills met even the basic standards there would be something to talk about

1. Independent observation and hopefully inspection
2. Measurement of actual inputs
3. Standard still water baths to calculate calorie output
4. Established running times

Then I think you would be surprised by the response people here would show.

Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

 

[markie]

Without the figures how can Mills know all this?

How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.