Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[RecoveringYuppy]

Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

Which come only from BLP. How much of Product Hydrino® “in a bottle” did BLP sell last year?

 

[Myriad]

If only, LOL. People here - perhaps including yourself - wouldn't believe such measurements if they were provided! What skeptic here - besides perhaps SB - is on record as even believing what Mills has already said for months: that large current, low voltage is being fed into liquid gallium stream electrodes, and that there is a trace amount of gallium oxide in the gallium stream to serve as the source of H2O catalyst, that the cell atmosphere is mostly argon gas, with hydrogen gas fed into the cell as primarily fuel (and a small amount goes into making the H20 catalyst from the fixed trace oxygen inventory) ?

Answer: Nobody. Because if a skeptic believed that he would have to propose a conventional mechanism to explain the massive power output that is observed and how it could be distributed to the SunCell containment vessel as it is, as if a highly energetic plasma from within were heating it. This is why skeptics here are proposing alternative scenarios to explain where the heat is coming from, all of which involve blatant deception by Mills and BLP staff. If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Who cares what I believe? Or what you believe? We were discussing what, if anything, the video is evidence of.

There's no problem saying that it's evidence Mills has an apparatus, parts of which heat up to incandescent orange temperatures some time after it begins making a buzzing noise.

The video provides some limited evidence of the rate at which heat is being generated, but it's not enough evidence for any definitive conclusion, so we can (and did) argue a bit about what the best estimate from that limited evidence might be. Your rant about belief was in reply to my pointing out the obvious facts (not beliefs) that temperature measurements, which are not difficult to make or display, would have been helpful (though not definitive by themselves) in improving that estimate.

The video provides no evidence whatsoever about how the heat is being generated. Anybody can believe what they want, but the video does nothing to confirm anything.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I just went to BLP's website and clicked on one of the "validation reports" at random. It's pathetic. It's a guy who went to BLP facilities and watched them put on a show. Not even close to a credible independent validation.


https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/WeinbergReport2.pdf

 

[halleyscomet]

You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.

Dude, he literally mentioned a few possible conventional explanations in the very post you were relying to. If you're going to bluster, at least make an effort at remedial plausibility.

Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

Because those reports were garbage. We've been over specific ones many times in this thread. The best of them were nothing more than renting someone else's equipment to get, "Yeah, this makes more heat than what BLP says it should based on what BLP says is in it."

Blindly repeating the lie that there's third party confirmation of hydrinos won't magically make it true.

 

[jrhowell]

Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.

Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

Numbers presented by Mills and reports paid for by Mills don't cut it when the most likely explanations for the results being claimed are deception and incompetence. Mills has made a very extraordinary claim and needs irrefutable, independently produced evidence to back it.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. Empty words. Mills has given enough information about what is in the SunCell and what is being fed into it, yet no one offers a conventional explanation for what would generate such an energetic plasma.

Lets just start with the easiest and most obvious. all refined metals have stored potential energy from the refining process, which can be rapidly released when they melt or are heated to a plasma state. Then there is the additional energy from burning metals, which is quite high density by the way, that's why magnesium flares or thermite or any number of other burning metal flares are so hot and bright. Phosphorus, titanium ... all metals have this characteristic. Then of course is the very common burning of the equipment itself. Never once has Mills described in any paper I ever saw a quantity , or even a "guesstimate" for energy released when the equipment itself corrodes or melts down/burns up. I have mentioned hydrogen embrittlement to you numerous times, when did Mill's ever quantify how much energy was released from that? Never. Not to mention any number of unknown possible chemical reactions occurring due to not having a controlled atmosphere inside.

You can't just hand wave all these away. We can't even measure them or estimate them because Mill's doesn't even allow independent investigation. We don't know the purity of the gallium or titanium or tungsten or whatever new reactant he might be using this time. Nor do we even know what other reactant are mixed in it. Nor can we see the rate it is added, nor the rate at which it burns. Basically Mill's showed some of these things in previous models, and since they all failed, he is now taking the strategy to completely closing the whole thing and quantifying nothing at all. Can't debunk it if he never said anything in the first place.

The fault with this new strategy is that we don't need to debunk it either. Because he has given nothing to debunk.

I could light a candle and say see hydrinos..and be equally convincing.

 

[halleyscomet]

I could light a candle and say see hydrinos..and be equally convincing.

 

[8enotto]

Markie, head over to Metabunk and offer all your evidence to Mick.

See what he can do for your hero.

 

[Dancing David]

Sure, sure. Just like I was surprised by the positive responses people here have given to the validation reports BLP has accrued through the years.

Which one had metered connections and a still water bath.

 

[Darat]

How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.

Care to share them?

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

How you can think Mills doesn't know the figures is a puzzler.

Actually we *do* think Mills knows the figures (or at least close enough). And we think that's why he's not giving them out.

 

[markie]

Lets just start with the easiest and most obvious. all refined metals have stored potential energy from the refining process, which can be rapidly released when they melt or are heated to a plasma state.

Huh? It requires energy to melt or vaporize metals, it does not release energy. You may be thinking of the energy stored in metallic lattices like tempered steel which can be released slowly over time as the lattice relaxes.

Then there is the additional energy from burning metals, which is quite high density by the way, that's why magnesium flares or thermite or any number of other burning metal flares are so hot and bright. Phosphorus, titanium ... all metals have this characteristic. Then of course is the very common burning of the equipment itself. Never once has Mills described in any paper I ever saw a quantity , or even a "guesstimate" for energy released when the equipment itself corrodes or melts down/burns up.

This requires an oxidizing agent, in large amounts. This is not present in the SunCell. Only a fixed 'trace' amount of gallium oxide is present.

I have mentioned hydrogen embrittlement to you numerous times, when did Mill's ever quantify how much energy was released from that? Never. Not to mention any number of unknown possible chemical reactions occurring due to not having a controlled atmosphere inside.

While it is true that hydrogen absorption and hydride formation in metals is exothermic, the reverse happens at higher temperatures: the hydrogen is desorbed, and energy is consumed. Put some gallium in a hydrogen atmosphere and see what happens. No much.
Any chemist here (I doubt there is one) will know there is no conventional mechanism for generating the energetic plasma inside a SunCell. If there is one here, speak up and let's have it!

You can't just hand wave all these away. We can't even measure them or estimate them because Mill's doesn't even allow independent investigation. We don't know the purity of the gallium or titanium or tungsten or whatever new reactant he might be using this time. Nor do we even know what other reactant are mixed in it. Nor can we see the rate it is added, nor the rate at which it burns. Basically Mill's showed some of these things in previous models, and since they all failed, he is now taking the strategy to completely closing the whole thing and quantifying nothing at all. Can't debunk it if he never said anything in the first place.

The previous open versions of the SunCell did not 'fail'. The open versions were a a necessary step to the closed versions.
And, Mills knows what is going into his SunCell. While there are probably trade secrets involved, he has given enough information for us to know there is no conventional chemical explanation for what is occurring.

 

[markie]

Which one had metered connections and a still water bath.

Lots of BLP experiments involve still water bath, including bomb calorimetry.
For instance from https://brilliantlightpower.com/validation-reports/

Calorimetry of Solid Fuel: This thermal power and energy test verified the measured optical powers and energies of single solid fuel shots. The total thermal power levels of over 300 kW were limited by the size of the test cell. A subsequent test with a 2 times larger test cell produced 440 kW. The tests were carried out in a commercial water bath calorimeter using 80 mg, 2mm diameter silver shots with a small amount of partially hydrated oxide doping run under an 95% argon and 5% hydrogen atmosphere. The shots were ignited in the water-submerged cell. The energy was determined by the temperature rise of the known amount of water in the bath, and the average power was determined from the energy released and the event duration.

 

[hgus]

....If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Mills is a known liar and his modus operandi is that of a scammer. If he turns out to be right I would feel no shame whatsoever. I would be happy for humanity and still be angry at Mills for being so greedy and/or incompetent that he did not get help.

If I where in your shoes on the other hand and he turns out to be false, I would be very ashamed for peddling his lies and enable his scam. By now I find it very hard to believe anyone can have the insight you have and still honestly believe in Mills so thoroughly as you claim to do. Naivety and hero worship only goes so far.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Lots of BLP experiments involve still water bath, including bomb calorimetry.
For instance from https://brilliantlightpower.com/validation-reports/

Calorimetry of Solid Fuel: This thermal power and energy test verified the measured optical powers and energies of single solid fuel shots. The total thermal power levels of over 300 kW were limited by the size of the test cell. A subsequent test with a 2 times larger test cell produced 440 kW. The tests were carried out in a commercial water bath calorimeter using 80 mg, 2mm diameter silver shots with a small amount of partially hydrated oxide doping run under an 95% argon and 5% hydrogen atmosphere. The shots were ignited in the water-submerged cell. The energy was determined by the temperature rise of the known amount of water in the bath, and the average power was determined from the energy released and the event duration.

and somehow you missed, "melted the 3.7 mm thick high-temperature stainless steel vessel walls and 6.6 mm thick tungsten electrodes in seconds" and "output power increase with the addition of oxide" and never put 1 and 1 together to figure out he was burning metals?

 

[markie]

and somehow you missed, "melted the 3.7 mm thick high-temperature stainless steel vessel walls and 6.6 mm thick tungsten electrodes in seconds" and "output power increase with the addition of oxide" and never put 1 and 1 together to figure out he was burning metals?

Nothing I missed. In the earlier open cells Mills was showing off the power density and let things vaporize. For a real working product he doesn't have that luxury. The reaction power has to be constrained and controlled.
Again I repeat there is almost no oxidizing agent, as would be required for burning metals. Too much oxide means too much H20 formed, and that - I've heard from perhaps three years ago - is (for reasons I don't know) not good for the reaction kinetics.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Nothing I missed. In the earlier open cells Mills was showing off the power density and let things vaporize. For a real working product he doesn't have that luxury. The reaction power has to be constrained and controlled.
Again I repeat there is almost no oxidizing agent, as would be required for burning metals. Too much oxide means too much H20 formed, and that - I've heard from perhaps three years ago - is (for reasons I don't know) not good for the reaction kinetics.

Then why on even his slower controlled versions of the so called "solid fuel shots" reenactment did he have to literally make the electrodes into spinning discs because the metal burned up so fast at the point the arc touched them? And even then it wasn't long before the discs burned up so far they couldn't function as electrodes any longer? That didn't give you any clues either?

We have the spinning disc electrodes and the titanium wire electrodes and the tungsten electrodes, and what happens to them all?Oh and lets not forget that impressive meltdown of the Molybdenum container. They all burn up and release massive energy while doing it. But Mills only calculates his shots or reactants or liquid silver or gallium "magic potions" , I have never once seen him include the equipment burning up in his calculations.

 

[Reality Check]

... If skeptics here can feel shame, they're about to feel it. Just saying.

Ignorance and insults do not make Mills' possible scam work in the real world, markie.
Skeptics do not accept propaganda from someone who has been spewing out similar propaganda about their failures for almost 30 years. Skeptics accept verified physical evidence. The propaganda video you tout is not any kind of physical evidence.

There is no shame in being skeptical, especially in the International Skeptics Forum.

 

[Reality Check]

You say it is "ridiculously easy to find" a conventional mechanism, and yet ... you don't find it. ....

You are the one who has fallen for Mills' possible scam, markie. The burden of proof is on you as a Mill's supporter.

A conventional mechanism is in the post you replied to. This is gallium, it burns at high temperatures as in plasma and that is a conventional mechanism to produce heat.

 

[Reality Check]

Huh? It requires energy to melt or vaporize metals, it does not release energy....

High school chemistry question for you, markie: Put sodium metal into water and what happens?

Some metals have exothermic (heat producing) reactions with other chemicals at room temperatures. Other metals have exothermic (heat producing) reactions with other chemicals at plasma temperatures.