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Cont: Brexit XII

Mojo said:
Brexiters outraged after crowds wave EU flag at Last Night of the Proms


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Massive rage from the assorted gammonry on Twitter today

It's all a conspiracy with the BBC, apparently they made sure only pro EU people won the ticket lottery.

There's even a good few complaints that a lot of foreign music was included and the conductor was American.

Lots of complaints that the EU flags were being given away while Union flags have to be paid for.

The EU flags were crowdfunded.

Surely someone pro Beexit could have stumped up some of their grifted earnings to buy a few flags.

Here's who crowdfunded them. They should have been arrested apparently.

https://twitter.com/EUFlagsTeam?t=zulHh23ho80jxIC2sr73zQ&s=09
 
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Yeah I expect a bunch of gammons will be imagining a hyper-patriotic counter-protest for next year but will then forget about it until a ten week season of nightly classical music concerts reaches its last night again and takes them by surprise as they're momentarily reminded it exists.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Massive rage from the assorted gammonry on Twitter today

It's all a conspiracy with the BBC, apparently they made sure only pro EU people won the ticket lottery.

There's even a good few complaints that a lot of foreign music was included and the conductor was American.

Lots of complaints that the EU flags were being given away while Union flags have to be paid for.

The EU flags were crowdfunded.

Surely someone pro Beexit could have stumped up some of their grifted earnings to buy a few flags.

Here's who crowdfunded them. They should have been arrested apparently.

https://twitter.com/EUFlagsTeam?t=zulHh23ho80jxIC2sr73zQ&s=09
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As a FYI - that Xitter link requires a xitter account to access.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Yeah I expect a bunch of gammons will be imagining a hyper-patriotic counter-protest for next year but will then forget about it until a ten week season of nightly classical music concerts reaches its last night again and takes them by surprise as they're momentarily reminded it exists.
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I don’t think the Remainers are going to forget. Expect the same again next year only more so. And if anybody tries to stop them, the narrative will be of Brexiteers denying our freedom of expression.
 
I doubt that it's going to escalate. There have been folk wearing EU flag berets or waving EU flags at the last night of the proms in previous years. It just seems to have become a Brexiteer outrage pile-on this time for no particular reason.

I just happened to be down there this year so I saw that the bit of campaigning that was happening outside the hall before the concert was all about how the loss of free movement was harming musicians because it's so difficult to tour.
 
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Gammonry demanding Ofcom start an enquiry to investigate the BBC for not being politically neutral over the broadcast.
They should have insisted the EU flags were removed apparently, even though it's the venue that makes the rules.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Gammonry demanding Ofcom start an enquiry to investigate the BBC for not being politically neutral over the broadcast.
They should have insisted the EU flags were removed apparently, even though it's the venue that makes the rules.
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I wonder if any of these super-patriots actually watched the damned show. The stage was draped with a pair of huge union jacks, one on either side of the organ. It looked like something from a hundred years ago. But no, failing to police the plethora of flags the prommers always bring in with them on the last night is "not being politically neutral".

These gammony snowflakes make me tired. :rolleyes:
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I wonder if any of these super-patriots actually watched the damned show. The stage was draped with a pair of huge union jacks, one on either side of the organ. It looked like something from a hundred years ago. But no, failing to police the plethora of flags the prommers always bring in with them on the last night is "not being politically neutral".

These gammony snowflakes make me tired. :rolleyes:
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I have a theory that many of these people are like supersaturated solutions of anger and outrage, always on the lookout for that one little thing that will crystalize it.
 
The UK is now the Toxic Poster Child of Europe thanks to our failure to ban a number of dangerous pesticides that are banned in the EU.

I particularly like this line

The UK government has given emergency authorisation every year since Brexit for the use of a neonicotinoid that is highly toxic to bees.
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What kind of emergency requires a particular pesticide? I don't count reduced profits for ministers' friends farming operations as an emergency.
 
jeremyp said:
The UK is now the Toxic Poster Child of Europe thanks to our failure to ban a number of dangerous pesticides that are banned in the EU.

I particularly like this line



What kind of emergency requires a particular pesticide? I don't count reduced profits for ministers' friends farming operations as an emergency.
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This story keeps coming up and it's a bit more complicated than that. The UK and a whole group of EU countries get the same emergency exemption to use the same pesticide and it's not used on anything bees are interested in. It's used to treat beet seeds before planting and it's a non-flowering crop.

While I would prefer the stuff not be used, it's not the Evil Brexity Tories gotcha social media posts make it out to be.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
This story keeps coming up and it's a bit more complicated than that. The UK and a whole group of EU countries get the same emergency exemption to use the same pesticide and it's not used on anything bees are interested in. It's used to treat beet seeds before planting and it's a non-flowering crop.

While I would prefer the stuff not be used, it's not the Evil Brexity Tories gotcha social media posts make it out to be.
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Did you not read the story? Emergency exemptions for pesticides are no longer a thing in the EU. What the **** is a pesticide emergency anyway?

There are thirty six toxic pesticides that are banned in the EU but are legal in the UK.
 
Pixel42 said:
Yeah, Brexit has been an absolute pain for British musicians.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/16/simon-rattle-applies-for-german-citizenship-brexit
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Absolutely, as well as making it harder for EU musicians to tour here, the paperwork, red tape and costs involved to tour in Europe make it not worth it for bands at the bottom end of the scale. And woe betide you if you make a simple error in your declarations.

For example:

"But Kev, why did you get up early on a Monday morning and stack all your drums in the living room?"

Well a few years ago slightly more than half the UK voted to leave the world's biggest single market, even though most of them have probably never had to work in a different country. Since then, us pesky musicians have to create and pay hundreds of pounds for what's called a carnet every year, which is an itemised list of every piece of equipment we take with us to Europe to do our jobs, we list the make and model, the country of manufacture, the value and even the weight, from guitars and drums all the way to the individual cables we take with us.

In August 2022, due to an administrative error on both French and UK sides, misreading a 7 as a 1 and writing 59 AND 89 rather than 59 TO 89, the border logged that we came back with less equipment than we went out with. Indicating that while I was touring around multiple venues, I sold most of my drum kit including the drum cases, not the drums inside the cases of course, I still brought them back. 🙄

Now in order to avoid being charged tax based on the value of these items that I apparently 'sold' I had to take every item out of their case and take a picture of it, then take a picture of the cases in order to prove I still have my equipment and email those pictures to the chamber of commerce for whatever box they need to tick, as common sense does not prevail.

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These issues were raised as a concern by the music industry ahead of Brexit, and assurances were given that there would be no problems. Unsurprisingly, these assurances were totally worthless; expensive carnets have to be purchased, the system is not flexible regarding who travels in what van, or who can join a tour part way through, etc.
 
zooterkin said:
Absolutely, as well as making it harder for EU musicians to tour here, the paperwork, red tape and costs involved to tour in Europe make it not worth it for bands at the bottom end of the scale. And woe betide you if you make a simple error in your declarations.

For example:

These issues were raised as a concern by the music industry ahead of Brexit, and assurances were given that there would be no problems. Unsurprisingly, these assurances were totally worthless; expensive carnets have to be purchased, the system is not flexible regarding who travels in what van, or who can join a tour part way through, etc.
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Businesses in so many sectors are now looking back fondly at the days of "EU red tape". It's very difficult to sell the benefits of the status quo (because that's been discounted but many people didn't understand exactly what a great deal we had as EU members.

It's not as if our position w.r.t. the rest of the world has improved sufficiently to compensate - most of our post-Brexit trade deals are no better, and many are worse and in any case the relative volume of trade is small.

The trouble is that none of these issues are catastrophic, they're just quite expensive and very inconvenient and time consuming. It'd be quite different if all trade had ceased.

The really ironic thing is that the UK's failure to implement things post-Brexit means that reciprocal constraints may not be in place. EU suppliers selling into the UK market have a significantly easier time than UK suppliers selling into the UK.

And yet, "we" continue to blame the EU. :mad:
 
zooterkin said:
Absolutely, as well as making it harder for EU musicians to tour here, the paperwork, red tape and costs involved to tour in Europe make it not worth it for bands at the bottom end of the scale.
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Since when have the Tories given a toss about anyone "at the bottom end of the scale"?
 
The Don said:
Businesses in so many sectors are now looking back fondly at the days of "EU red tape". It's very difficult to sell the benefits of the status quo (because that's been discounted but many people didn't understand exactly what a great deal we had as EU members.

It's not as if our position w.r.t. the rest of the world has improved sufficiently to compensate - most of our post-Brexit trade deals are no better, and many are worse and in any case the relative volume of trade is small.

The trouble is that none of these issues are catastrophic, they're just quite expensive and very inconvenient and time consuming. It'd be quite different if all trade had ceased.

The really ironic thing is that the UK's failure to implement things post-Brexit means that reciprocal constraints may not be in place. EU suppliers selling into the UK market have a significantly easier time than UK suppliers selling into the UK.

And yet, "we" continue to blame the EU. :mad:
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Trade deals are almost never the issue for small and medium sized companies. I'm not talking about just the UK it's true no matter where you are. The real issues for these smaller companies is regulatory regimes, border friction and cultural acceptance.

Canada and the US have had one of the best trade relationships in the world for 100+ years, but border crossing, regulatory differences and "buy American" campaigns have made cross boarder trade impractical for small companies on either side. It exists, but it's highly dependent on the exact product being sold. This doesn't just limit small business growth it makes it difficult for small business to ever grow into large ones. A company like Amazon, for example, could never grow up in Canada simply because of the border problems selling into the larger US market when it was small would place it at a major disadvantage to any similar US company.

Compare this to how easily small UK companies could sell there products across Europe while it was in the EU, there is simply no comparison. The Brexiters simply had no idea how international trade actually works, so they assumed a "trade deal" was all that's needed even though a trade deal on it's own does very little.
 
zooterkin said:
Absolutely, as well as making it harder for EU musicians to tour here, the paperwork, red tape and costs involved to tour in Europe make it not worth it for bands at the bottom end of the scale. And woe betide you if you make a simple error in your declarations.

For example:



These issues were raised as a concern by the music industry ahead of Brexit, and assurances were given that there would be no problems. Unsurprisingly, these assurances were totally worthless; expensive carnets have to be purchased, the system is not flexible regarding who travels in what van, or who can join a tour part way through, etc.
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I was at a security conference/event recently, where the organisers buggered up their paperwork bringing stuff (magazines and swag mainly) in from UKia so most of it was stuck in customs.
 
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