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Cont: Brexit XII

Andy_Ross said:
Currently around the globe, every winery uses 75cl bottles. Every single wine producing nation on the planet is producing billions of bottles every year, even the famously not metric USA use them.

Expecting bottle manufacturers to set up new production lines for a bottle just for the UK and wineries to start using them is pure bollocks from a ******* who knows Brexit has delivered **** all.

Not to mention that it was the English that invented the 75cl bottle, when they owned Bordeaux.6x75cl = 1 gallon.That's why wine is still sold in cartons of 6 in France today.
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There are plenty of litre bottles of wine around.
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's quite funny that after all that shouting about imperial measurements, the result of the government consultation is that barely 1% of the public want them back.

I suppose as the 1% are all that's left of the Tory core vote we will be getting imperial measurements just before the election.
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As Mandelson said
“The Conservative grassroots [are] ‘awful people’ but... they like to win.”
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's quite funny that after all that shouting about imperial measurements, the result of the government consultation is that barely 1% of the public want them back.

I suppose as the 1% are all that's left of the Tory core vote we will be getting imperial measurements just before the election.
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They probably want shillings, pence, and guineas back too!
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's quite funny that after all that shouting about imperial measurements, the result of the government consultation is that barely 1% of the public want them back.



I suppose as the 1% are all that's left of the Tory core vote we will be getting imperial measurements just before the election.
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I wonder if that one percent came from that biased survey Mogg put out? The one that never let you say you didn't want imperial back?
 
Trebuchet said:
They probably want shillings, pence, and guineas back too!
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One of my friends has gone back to using Fahrenheit, he expected that after Brexit we would for some reason go back to Fahrenheit as if the EU stopped people from seeing the weather with temperatures in F. He's in his mid seventies, retired engineer, and he can't seem to understand that people under 50 have no idea of imperial measures, that there is no push from industry to return to imperial measures.
 
Darat said:
One of my friends has gone back to using Fahrenheit, he expected that after Brexit we would for some reason go back to Fahrenheit as if the EU stopped people from seeing the weather with temperatures in F. He's in his mid seventies, retired engineer, and he can't seem to understand that people under 50 have no idea of imperial measures, that there is no push from industry to return to imperial measures.
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The Fahrenheit scale (/ˈfærənˌhaɪt, ˈfɑːr-/) is a temperature scale based on one proposed in 1724 by the European physicist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686–1736).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit

Why can't we use Kelvin, a proper British scale?
 
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Freedom! At only a small cost: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-post-brexit-uk-is-drifting-from-eu-standards
…. We’re out of step’: how post-Brexit UK is drifting from EU standards

When the government announced this year it would indefinitely delay plans to force UK companies to adopt a new post-Brexit quality mark, the UKCA, Simon Blackham, of the insulation maker Recticel, was delighted. “Yes! An outbreak of common sense,” he recalls thinking.

His joy was short-lived, however. It quickly emerged that the government’s change of heart did not apply to construction products, such as the insulation panels Recticel manufactures in Stoke-on-Trent.

Within the next 18 months, the Belgian-owned firm expects to have to spend about £400,000 in the UK retesting its products to comply with the new regime.

It is an increasingly common story: three years on from Brexit, as the government celebrates leaving the EU’s complex regulatory regime, many firms are finding the practicalities of this “divergence” costly and confusing – and business groups say that it is going to get worse.

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Blackham wearily explains that construction products are overseen by Michael Gove’s housing ministry, not the Business and Trade department which issued that statement back in August, saying the government would continue to recognise the EU’s CE mark for many products.

Gove’s department has opted instead to press ahead with replacing the CE mark with the UKCA, for all construction products sold in the UK from June 2025.

This new mark incorporates the same standards as the EU version – but only UK-accredited testing facilities will be able to validate it.

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“It’s the same standards, to the same test method, the same everything – and it would have to be paid for, ultimately by the customer, for us to retest material to a test that we already have, to a standard we’ve already done it to,” he says.

The firm has not yet made the final decision to go ahead, in the hope that, as in so many areas relating to post-Brexit regulation, the government – or its successor – could change its mind.

“Where we are at the moment is that we’re still waiting, still hoping that there is a chink of common sense on the horizon,” he says. But with testing capacity in the UK limited, they will to have to take the plunge soon.

A spokesperson for the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities confirmed that the intention was not to recognise the CE mark from June 2025, but added, “we are reforming the UK’s construction product regime, and we recognise the need to provide certainty for the sector. We are carefully considering the recommendations put forward by independent reviewers and will set out next steps in due course.”

…snip…
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Darat said:
One of my friends has gone back to using Fahrenheit, he expected that after Brexit we would for some reason go back to Fahrenheit as if the EU stopped people from seeing the weather with temperatures in F. He's in his mid seventies, retired engineer, and he can't seem to understand that people under 50 have no idea of imperial measures, that there is no push from industry to return to imperial measures.
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Aren't your road speed limits still in miles per hour?

Oh, and I still kind of prefer Fahrenheit. Of course, as an American, I don't have much choice, but still:
Zero to 100 Fahrenheit is a nice approximation of the usual range of ambient temperatures in a temperate climate. You know that anything outside of, or even very near, those limits is pretty extreme and uncomfortable.

And I'm also a retired engineer. I can convert C to F in my head with 100% accuracy, and F to C not a whole lot worse. Pretty good at length/mass units as well.
 
Trebuchet said:
Aren't your road speed limits still in miles per hour?



Oh, and I still kind of prefer Fahrenheit. Of course, as an American, I don't have much choice, but still:

Zero to 100 Fahrenheit is a nice approximation of the usual range of ambient temperatures in a temperate climate. You know that anything outside of, or even very near, those limits is pretty extreme and uncomfortable.



And I'm also a retired engineer. I can convert C to F in my head with 100% accuracy, and F to C not a whole lot worse. Pretty good at length/mass units as well.
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Yeah we have some archaisms, and road speed and distance is the obvious one. But ask anyone under I'd say 60 how many yards are in a mile or how many feet and I bet they wouldn't know. I used to know, I know it is around 1700, and I'm now going to check, its 1760. Probably came up in a pub quiz recently which is why I was anywhere near. Ask a kid, i.e. someone under 50 and I'd bet the most consistent answer would be 1000. Ask anyone bar a 70 plus person how many fluid ounces in a gallon or how many pints and you'll only get a right answer because out of millions of answers one surely one guess must be right

ETA: Shows how much it is just what we are used to, to me it makes much more sense to use C for everyday temperatures, 0 is cold, below 0 is bloody cold and there will be ice. What's special about 32 F?
 
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I'm 70 and I was stumped by the fluid ounces question, though I did remember that there are eight pints in a gallon and 5280 feet in a mile.
 
Trebuchet said:
Aren't your road speed limits still in miles per hour?
Oh, and I still kind of prefer Fahrenheit. Of course, as an American, I don't have much choice, but still:
Zero to 100 Fahrenheit is a nice approximation of the usual range of ambient temperatures in a temperate climate. You know that anything outside of, or even very near, those limits is pretty extreme and uncomfortable.
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Probably for the same reason that international aviation still uses feet for altitude - it could be dangerous to switch.

30mph on a road sign would be (approx) 50kph. If signs just said 50 then a million idiots would take it to mean 50mph, as that's what they've been used to all their lives.
 
GlennB said:
Probably for the same reason that international aviation still uses feet for altitude - it could be dangerous to switch.

30mph on a road sign would be (approx) 50kph. If signs just said 50 then a million idiots would take it to mean 50mph, as that's what they've been used to all their lives.
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We switched easily enough not too long ago.
 
Trebuchet said:
Aren't your road speed limits still in miles per hour?

Oh, and I still kind of prefer Fahrenheit. Of course, as an American, I don't have much choice, but still:
Zero to 100 Fahrenheit is a nice approximation of the usual range of ambient temperatures in a temperate climate. You know that anything outside of, or even very near, those limits is pretty extreme and uncomfortable.

And I'm also a retired engineer. I can convert C to F in my head with 100% accuracy, and F to C not a whole lot worse. Pretty good at length/mass units as well.
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Speed and distance was kept as miles because of the cost of changing all the road signs.
 
GlennB said:
Probably for the same reason that international aviation still uses feet for altitude - it could be dangerous to switch.

30mph on a road sign would be (approx) 50kph. If signs just said 50 then a million idiots would take it to mean 50mph, as that's what they've been used to all their lives.
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It was the cost of changing all the road signs and speedometers.
 
Darat said:
Ask anyone bar a 70 plus person how many fluid ounces in a gallon or how many pints and you'll only get a right answer because out of millions of answers one surely one guess must be right
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20 fl oz to the pint (it's on the measuring jug I use for cooking)
2 pints to the quart
4 quarts to the gallon (hence the name, I suspect) so 8 pints to the gallon

Won't be 70 for a while yet.
 
Mojo said:
20 fl oz to the pint (it's on the measuring jug I use for cooking)
2 pints to the quart
4 quarts to the gallon (hence the name, I suspect) so 8 pints to the gallon

Won't be 70 for a while yet.
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I think Americans use 16 fluid ounces to the pint - though their pints and fluid ounces are different from the UK ones.
 
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