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Meanwhile pro-Brexit MPs are sticking their fingers in ears and going "lalalala" as they walk out of a commons select committee which is investigating the likely impact of Brexit - apparently the findings are "too gloomy"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
I hope that bravely running away isn't the negotiating approach favoured by our own Brave Sir Robins in charge of the Brexit negotiations...
This is exactly what it is.
When facts reared in their ugly heads the brave MP Brexits turned their tails and fled ...
I had to modify Brexiteers/-ards to Brexits to keep the tempo about right
This report would have to be published no later than one month before the referendum, not voted on a day before invoking article 50. But I repeat myself, I know. I do wonder how will these brave, brave souls explain why the report is so gloomy when the ones who made it have no reason to lie?
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I haven't had a chance to speak to many Leave voters - I don't know enough of them and the couple I do know didn't make their choice on economic grounds but on the basis of "sovereignty".
OTOH I have spoken at length with quite a few "soft" Remainers, people who weren't strongly Europhile but who voted remain because they were worried about the implications about being out. They have all switched into "optimist" mode and are sure that the UK will now get a really good deal because we're so important to the EU. They concede that the deal won't be as good as being in the EU or EEA but they have a naive optimism that something good will turn up because it has to. They also don't want to hear the gloomy (but IMO realistic) forecasts of the various experts - possibly because they will act to deflate their bubble of optimism.
I expect to see a lot of this kind of thing over the next 2 years as people get more and more frightened about the prospects of Brexit, "bad" news will be ignored and "good" news will be seized upon with the same fervour as a drowning man clutching at pieces of driftwood.
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So it's Brexit Fools day everyone!!!
Anyone heard any good Brexit fools? I think my favourite is the one that says the Government will take our EU contribution add about £100m a week to it and spend it on the NHS
But everyone probably has their own favourites.
Anyone heard any good Brexit fools? I think my favourite is the one that says the Government will take our EU contribution add about £100m a week to it and spend it on the NHS
But everyone probably has their own favourites.So it's Brexit Fools day everyone!!!
Anyone heard any good Brexit fools? I think my favourite is the one that says the Government will take our EU contribution add about £100m a week to it and spend it on the NHS
Mine is that we'll continue to enjoy all the benefits of being within the EU without any of the obligations or disadvantages. The thing is that because each person has their own view of the benefits and disadvantages (for example I consider free movement to be a benefit, many Brexiteers consider it to be a disadvantage), this means that each person in the UK will have their own personal "deal" with Europe
.I haven't had a chance to speak to many Leave voters - I don't know enough of them and the couple I do know didn't make their choice on economic grounds but on the basis of "sovereignty".
OTOH I have spoken at length with quite a few "soft" Remainers, people who weren't strongly Europhile but who voted remain because they were worried about the implications about being out. They have all switched into "optimist" mode and are sure that the UK will now get a really good deal because we're so important to the EU. They concede that the deal won't be as good as being in the EU or EEA but they have a naive optimism that something good will turn up because it has to. They also don't want to hear the gloomy (but IMO realistic) forecasts of the various experts - possibly because they will act to deflate their bubble of optimism.
I expect to see a lot of this kind of thing over the next 2 years as people get more and more frightened about the prospects of Brexit, "bad" news will be ignored and "good" news will be seized upon with the same fervour as a drowning man clutching at pieces of driftwood.
The problem with Brexit Tories will face not too long down the line is that it will ultimately disappoint approximately every Briton. Some will rue the fact the deal with EU means UK gets some rules imposed by EU, some that the dirty easterners will remain in UK, some that perceived economic benefits won't materialize, some that NHS and other spenders will have even less money to go around, some that Scotland will either get more devolution if not outright independence and so on.
If the Traitor gets replaced by someone at least marginally competent they could well face a debacle in 2020 or at least 2024.
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Mine is that we'll continue to enjoy all the benefits of being within the EU without any of the obligations or disadvantages. The thing is that because each person has their own view of the benefits and disadvantages (for example I consider free movement to be a benefit, many Brexiteers consider it to be a disadvantage), this means that each person in the UK will have their own personal "deal" with Europe
Yes that was a particularly dishonest promise of B. Johnson (one of many in his long career). Still as we seem to be going for hardest possible Brexit it would appear that the advantages of being in the EU that we'll have access to is zero, so everyone gets the UKIP's ideal super special deal
Some bloke, whose name I have forgotten (an attack of the Henri's, I'm afraid), was blittering on the Beeb again about how the EU stands to lose as much if they put tariffs on goods as we do. And anyway, if it does come down to tariffs then the Exchequer will make billions extra on them, so it'll all be dandy. No acknowledgment of all the income likely to be lost by reduced trade etc, which is the inevitable result of tariffs....no..it'll all be fine, and we'll all get a pony as well!
The merger between the London and Frankfurt stock exchanges is off the cards. Although the coup de grace was delivered by the EU regulators, Brexit was a major factor:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39430799
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39430799
Of course it'll be the great British public who'll be paying those tariffs. Maybe that Beeb contributor could explain how that makes us better off
It's OK. Once we're free of the shackles of EU trade terms, we'll be able to sell our goods and services to the rest of the world instead.
I mean it was a shame that we were absolutely prohibited from selling outside the EU - that'll be sorted out now
Yeah, I mean it's a well known fact EU can't export anything.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...l_trade_in_goods,_2015_(billion_EUR)_YB17.png
It just so happens UK is by far the largest net importer in EU. This is probably because EU makes its' members so uncompetitive they can't export anything. Or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports
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Of course it'll be the great British public who'll be paying those tariffs. Maybe that Beeb contributor could explain how that makes us better off
Wish I could remember who it was. The Beeb site is no use.
Ah...pulled up the Beeb Breakfast on iPlayer (at about 1:17 to 1:18 in).
Bernard Jenkin.
Anyway, it does remind me of Trump's plan to get Mexico to pay for the wall via tariffs...
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I actually have to hope that the UK economy does visibly more poorly. There is the chance that enough residual trade over the next two years and other measures provide a momentary blip of growth, making the UK's path seem falsely attractive. Suddenly, instead of one buoyant passenger who jumped ship in a dingy and manages to make way, it's all choppy waters made up of tiny boats rowing in any direction, and what worked for one lone boat sinks the whole lot.
Boaty McBoatface. Prescient.
Boaty McBoatface. Prescient.
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So is this going to derail the process or is it just going to be an even harder brexit?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/angela-merkel-rejects-one-of-theresa-mays-key-brexit-demands
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/angela-merkel-rejects-one-of-theresa-mays-key-brexit-demands
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Oh christ.
Shouldn't Merkel have one hand tied behind her back or something? In any meeting of minds with Merkel on one side an May on the other, our poor excuse for a leader is just going to get flattened.
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As an american I understand that feeling.
I don't know. Merkel has made some amazingly bad calls over the years (Greece, migration etc)... it's not a straight-up competent/incompetent match up.
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Flattened? That's flattering to May...
Sorry, but you cannot pin Greece on Merkel. There is almost no way to deal with crazy like Greece where they cheated for several decades on accounting. As for migration I would love to hear your proposal, because I doubt it would be any better
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