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Andy_Ross
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You forget, British is best. Our products are the best in the world. Who needs common standards and quality control.
Our cars, ships, motorbikes, locomotives, airliners, televisions etc were the best in the world. Foreign manufacturers didn’t play fair.
Look at motorbikes, Japanese manufacturers seduced buyers with electric starters, disk brakes, 12 volt electrics, more performance, comfort and reliability. It was underhand.
You'd have to ask them, but there seem to be a range of common themes among Conservatives and conservatives in the Western world:
- Anti immigration/immigrant
- Anti human rights (beyond a specific point established some time in the 1950's)
- Anti environment
- Anti workers' rights
Progress and change is unsettling for most people but Conservatives and conservatives seem to be very uncomfortable with it and want to reset the clock back to some point in the past (seemingly some time in the 50's or 60's depending on country) deemed to be the point at which it all started to go wrong.
They'll blame the foreigners. If unemployment, prices and poverty rise significantly post-Brexit it'll be because those meanies in the EU are stifling our trade (even trade outside the EU) and because those immigrants who came over here while we were in the EU haven't gone home as they should have and yielded up their jobs to good honest British folk.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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A plan for what? Life without the UK? Business pretty much as usual I would imagine for just about everyone.
It looks like you agree with me that they don't have a plan.
If we're both right then it supports my position that it's a waste of time attempting to negotiate with them. Remain supporters continually emphasize that these negotiations will be the most complex and time consuming ones ever undertaken. If the EU side aren't really bothered and haven't prepared a plan then how will these negotiations ever get finished?
It's in the interests of the EU to string out the negotiations for as long as possible (beyond the allocated two years) and keep Britain paying into the EU coffers throughout that time. Britain will need to set a deadline after which we stop paying the EU any more money regardless of what else is happening.
If we're both right then it supports my position that it's a waste of time attempting to negotiate with them. Remain supporters continually emphasize that these negotiations will be the most complex and time consuming ones ever undertaken. If the EU side aren't really bothered and haven't prepared a plan then how will these negotiations ever get finished?
It's in the interests of the EU to string out the negotiations for as long as possible (beyond the allocated two years) and keep Britain paying into the EU coffers throughout that time. Britain will need to set a deadline after which we stop paying the EU any more money regardless of what else is happening.
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You can wait till you've invoked article 50 AND disclosed what kind of Brexit you're aiming for. Untill such a time the EU is under no obligation whatsoever to disclose their plans to you.
This is the sort of biassed drivel we hear from the same people who were insisting that "Britain has not presented its detailed plan in advance of invoking Article 50!" They stupidly believe that one side of a negotiation should submit all its plans in advance while the other side, if it has a plan at all, keeps that plan a total secret.
We don't want it for the EU's benefit.
We want it for our benefit.
I know you don't give a **** about what happens, since you seem to fully expect your pony at the end of it all (possibly with sparkles)...but I'd quite like to know what the government is actually planning on our behalf.
On this the EU is (at this stage) pretty irrelevant.
LOL. What about the €40 to €60 billion demand?
Archie Gemmill Goal
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It looks like you might be talking nonsense.
A plan for what? You don't seem to appreciate the relative scale of the tasks at hand. The UK is throwing out huge amounts of its rules and regulations, trade agreements, processes, ways of working and things that are needed to run day to day. The EU is losing a decently sized member and a reasonably sizeable chunk of trading partner.
For 99% of the time nothing changes for the EU. They don't need a plan if nothing is changing. For the other 1% they will need to negotiate an agreement with the UK - which is rather hard to do until the UK clarifies what the hell it is going to do and/or at least triggers Article 50 to start the process of talks.
Not at all. If you present a reasonable proposal to the EU then they can sign it off and go about their business. There's no benefit to the EU of hurting the UK for no reason. If a mutually agreeable deal can be struck then of course it will be struck.
Well perhaps the party leading the activity can propose something and then negotiations can begin? If it's sensible it can be signed off, if there are areas of disagreement then the EU can counter. The EU has people that do this every day of the week. It's business as usual for them.
No it really isn't. The EU wants to get on with it's business. Not have distractions over whether the unicorns the UK wants should be chocolate coated or diamond studded. The deadline is set and clear. Trigger Article 50 then at most 2 years later you are no longer a member and you have no new commitments to pay for.
Is Theresa May scared to do it or something?
If, as seems likely, the EU won't be prepared to negotiate in good faith, then what our government is planning is irrelevant.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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There's no demand ... just pay what you owe.
When you leave your local gym they don't have a 'plan' for how they are going to negotiate with you. They just deal with it.
Of course some people like to threaten to leave every time they are unhappy with something but never quite get round to doing it, or when they do, then realise they are worse off.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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What evidence do you have that the EU won't negotiate in good faith? You are just making stuff up now. You sound like one of those 12-year-old Express writers.
You really seem determined to make out that this is not actually entirely driven by the UK. I can only assume that this is to lead up to the inevitable (as The Don says) blaming of the EU for all our ills when this goes tits up.
I was just about to post that link.
If Corbyn had been remotely competent, he'd have been all over this - even if only to get a better chance of having a United Soviet Socialist Kingdom as a consequence of Brexit.
I did that once in a restaurant, but then I was really rather drunk.
Hey...I wonder if that's the issue with the government?
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I can already picture the scene of a Little Englander in a French restaurant loudly demanding he be served egg and chips or he will take his business elsewhere yet steadfastly refusing to do so as the polite yet weary waiter nods and calmly suggests he does just that but points out that he will have to pay for the three bottles of wine he has already opened.
More or less sums up some of the nonsense we see from Brexiteers.
.....and then that same person blames the French restaurant for him being hungry, broke and drunk later in the evening
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