I think that's called "making **** up"...
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I think that's called "making **** up"...
Interesting article found on Politico: http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-brexit-trade-bluff-uk-economy-negotiation-eu/
Oops! Could it be that none of the Brexiters had thought to this?
Oops! Could it be that none of the Brexiters had thought to this?
Yes as I've now repeatedly pointed out - UK productivity gap is worse now than at any pint since 1991
Then why does that graph show the UK increasing more than all the other countries in the period from 1997 to 2007?Yes as I've now repeatedly pointed out - UK productivity gap is worse now than at any pint since 1991
I still think you're wrong but for the sake of argument assume for a moment that you're right and that the UK productivity has, compared to our neighbours, declined consistently over the period from 1992, doesn't that make a good case for leaving the EU? If we're doing so terribly all this time inside the club, why should we wish to remain?
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No it doesn't make a good case because it shows that it is possible to perform better within the EU than you have been doing. Other EU countries show that it's possible. Therefore the problem is with the UK and how it does its business. Leaving the EU does nothing to address that shortcoming and if anything only only serves to incrouse your troubles.
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So let's stop this lie that Brexiteers want to increase non EU immigration. They don't. They want to keep foreigners out and will lie repeatedly to justify it.
Quite wrong as usual. Once we've decreased EU immigration then we could, if we wanted to, increase immigration from non-EU countries and still get an overall reduction in immigration.
The question is, if Brexiteers want to do that, not whether it would be possible to do it. You can answer that. Do you want more non-EU immigration?
Is that speculation optimistic (UK will join Euro as a result) or pessimistic (collapse of the Pound, brimstone stormclouds, sulfurus rain ...)?
McHrozni
Wasn't reducing immigration one of the main selling points of Brexit?
Now you want to increase it as a response to Brexit?
McHrozni
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You have been on this forum since 2003. By now it should be clear to you that paraphrasing must be announced and not made it look like a quote. This is one major point that is ALWAYS counted agaisnt the poster.
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None of the brexiter wanted increase of non EU immigration. In fact that is a point I keep telling from the start of those threads : if brexiter wanted to decrease immigration in general as announced, they could decrease non EU first.
But it probably became clear to you that it won't be possible for a variety of reason, so now you are trying to pretend it is only the EU immigration which is a problem.
Those goalpost ? They moved waaaaaay out there.
This is a graph of GDP per hours worked. A few years following the exit of ERM, British productivity has skyrocketed compared to its ERM neighbors, and now stands at up to 80% of their ERM neighbors. The growth has leveled off since.
If this is the best argument against being a member of the ERM you can think of, I vote to rest the case.
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But they won't. Because they don't want to. Because if they did want to they could do it tomorrow. Could have done it yesterday. Instead they've been making life more difficult for all immigrants.
Stop lying for them.
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Not quite sure. I think there will come a point where the UK goes, cap in hand, back to Europe and asks to be let in again please. This will cost the pound and, of course, the veto.
How much damage will have been done by then is anyone's guess.
This is wild speculation not rooted in much more than guesswork
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IMO they were rare, but not entirely absent.
There was a (tiny ?) minority whose argument for Brexit was that EU membership forced the UK to discriminate against developing countries because the terms for EU migration and terms were so superior to those for non-EU countries. They believed that leaving the EU would allow the UK to give the same advantageous immigration terms to all, or more specifically apply a level playing field so that a doctor/IT specialist/farm worker/unskilled labourer from anywhere in the world would have the same chance of getting a job in the UK as someone from inside the EU.
That's a rather weird case of Brexiteers. Why do they think the playing field should be leveled for all immigrants?
McHrozni
I'm astonished how perplexed those in charge are about the UK low productivity, the solution is quite simple, treat your staff as people not work per hour units. It's amazing the difference that can achieve.Yes, I thought that I hadn't seen the quote before - you made it up
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More specifically John Major's comments were far more detailed and nuanced than your made up quote. The last part was particularly interesting:
British productivity has slipped over that period compared to our European neighbours. Fortunately we've had a ready supply of inexpensive labour to help offset it.
When many countries in the club improve faster than we do it is the fault of the club? That doesn't really stack up.
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