Brexit: Now What? Part III

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I count myself amongst those that want a fairer immigration policy - the same rights for immigrants from all countries. This is something that no EU country has. It is effectively prohibited by EU membership. An EU member country could achieve fairness by running an open door immigration policy for the whole world, but of course no country wants to do that.

There is no conflict in wanting to run a fair immigration policy and wanting to reduce the net migration figure - the two policies are independent and in no way mutually exclusive.

Unfortunately, history shows us that immigration policies that have an aim to reduce migration tend neither to be fair or achievable. There is very little that is fair or just or moral in our existing non EU immigration policies and I have never trusted any Conservative Party to be able to write such a thing.
 
Seems that post-Brexit, there are risks that we'll be keeping foreigners out - to the detriment of the education industry:

Canada and Australia could be the unanticipated beneficiaries from Brexit in the competition for international students, entrepreneur and university leader Lord Bilimoria has said.

The Indian-born chancellor of the University of Birmingham said an "anti-immigrant" backlash from the Brexit referendum and disputes over student visas could see UK universities losing overseas students.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39082046

Bloody foreigners, coming over here, paying full whack for their education, leaving with an appreciation and even love for the UK and subsidising the locals - what a ******* liberty :mad: ;)
 
I count myself amongst those that want a fairer immigration policy - the same rights for immigrants from all countries. This is something that no EU country has. It is effectively prohibited by EU membership. An EU member country could achieve fairness by running an open door immigration policy for the whole world, but of course no country wants to do that.

There is no conflict in wanting to run a fair immigration policy and wanting to reduce the net migration figure - the two policies are independent and in no way mutually exclusive.

You mean you support immigration policies that will be equally unfair to everyone. There is a difference.
 
Seems that post-Brexit, there are risks that we'll be keeping foreigners out - to the detriment of the education industry:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39082046

Bloody foreigners, coming over here, paying full whack for their education, leaving with an appreciation and even love for the UK and subsidising the locals - what a ******* liberty :mad: ;)

Well said! I just wish that saying any of this did not feel like hitting our heads against a brick wall and that there was an iota of a chance that anyone in Government or in fact in the Labour Party might listen and act like a parliament representing and legislating for the good of all the people in the UK and not just those who voted for Brexit.
 
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Why is it a shame for me that I support the idea of a fairer immigration policy?

It's a shame because you aren't getting one, just another 'Leave' lie you bought into. Those EU migrants are going to keep coming and if they don't they will just have to be replaced with ones from the Commonwealth and elsewhere.
 
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It's a shame because you aren't getting one, just another 'Leave' lie you bought into. Those EU migrants are going to keep coming and if they don't they will just have to be replaced with ones from the Commonwealth and elsewhere.

So you mean it's a shame for me in the same way that it's a shame for you that we're leaving the EU.
 
So you mean it's a shame for me in the same way that it's a shame for you that we're leaving the EU.

Not remotely, you voted leave to indulge your xenophobia and it turns they suckered you. You've been had Ceptimus, no extra money for public services, worse trade terms, immigrants still going to be coming, what exactly is leave going to deliver?
 
Not remotely, you voted leave to indulge your xenophobia and it turns they suckered you. You've been had Ceptimus, no extra money for public services, worse trade terms, immigrants still going to be coming, what exactly is leave going to deliver?

We might get our blue passports back I suppose. That seems worth tens of billions to some people
 
Garrison seems to use 'shame for you' in the sense that you didn't yet get everything you wanted, so it's a shame for him that we're leaving the EU.
 
Garrison seems to use 'shame for you' in the sense that you didn't yet get everything you wanted, so it's a shame for him that we're leaving the EU.


No sorry don't work that way, I voted Remain because I knew Leave were lying about the economy, spending and immigration, you were suckered. And given that May and her brexiteer buddies have broken every promise made by Leave during the campaign it's not a case of not getting everything, you're getting nothing. You voted to sacrifice the countries economy because foreigners make you queasy and they aren't even getting rid of the foreigners. Neither of us will get what we want, I at least can take some crumb of comfort in not being played for a fool by Boris Johnson!:eye-poppi
 
Have we added paying Ford to stay to the list of things the M£350 has to pay for?
 
I still have a blue passport - probably time to renew it (it's a NZ one).
 
I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA


Edit - there may be swearing - possibly NSFW


Hah! While of course we all know the original original of that, as a political broadcast it's a direct rip-off of an SNP party political broadcast from 2011!


I remember when that was first shown my mother didn't understand it and thought it was silly, and I had to explain it to her and why it was actually very clever and probably very effective. The resulting landslide victory probably indicates it was a good choice.
 
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A lot of the difference is cultural though. Japanese need to be in before the boss and leave after. Long working hours are expected. The work expands to fit the hours and productivity drops.

The reason for the difference is cultural, yes. It shows the superiority of German approach to work ethic to Japanese one.

McHrozni
 
At the end of this BBC article, there's a nice graphical representation of the process:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39123604

Yeah, I saw that. It doesn't answer my basic question: did the Traitor have the option of supporting the bill if, and only if, certain amendments were passed or not?

If no, British political system is absurd. If yes, he is an incompetent Traitor.

McHrozni
 
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Another issue for the Cabinet to solve: nuclear cooperation, waste disposal and monitoring.

https://www.ft.com/content/9b99159e-ff2a-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30

Brexit threatens to upend this decades-old arrangement because the UK’s departure from the EU will require withdrawal from Euratom, a separate legal entity but one governed by EU institutions. At stake is not just the safeguarding of Sellafield but also critical pillars of UK energy security, scientific research and even medicine.

As things stand UK relies on EU institutions for monitoring, safeguarding and regulating the use of nuclear materials. Theresa May has stated repeatedly that she will not acknowledge the jurisdiction of any EU entity over UK, which means there is one more major aspect of Brexit that must be handled within a year or two. It also requires substantial new investment and entails substantial costs to be subtracted from that 350 million a week, in case anyone is keeping score.

I could be a bit pessimistic here, but having a large host of issues that need to be resolved, all at the same time, in a time window that is very optimistic for any one of them, while at the same time lacking the skills necessary to tackle any one of them even if time wasn't much of an issue, most often spells very bad news.

McHrozni
 
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