Brexit: Now What? Part III

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

More news about the cost of Brexit (or a rehash of the same news)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39042876

That will simply be seen as more empty threats from those foreigners who hate Britain, strengthening the resolve of the Brexiteers and proving that we are better off without them.

 

[Darat]

No. You are leaving the EU

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Er - how can you say no when you then agree with what I posted?

 

[McHrozni]

Er - how can you say no when you then agree with what I posted?

I thought you didn't stress this enough

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

More news about the cost of Brexit (or a rehash of the same news)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39042876

It's just a rehash of the same news, basically what Brexitards thought was blatantly false.

Brexit may be the most complex political issue of all time. I'm quite sure EU knows this and has spent the past 8 months preparing to make the most of it. By contrast, Theresa May and the Clowns were able to write a letter to Santa and called it a White paper.

In a sense it is true, the failure will be due to the Europeans - in the same sense as Great Marianas Turkey Shoot was due to the Americans, not Japanese.

McHrozni

 

[ceptimus]

Why do you dismiss what UK politicians say about the Brexit negotiations as nonsense but treat what EU politicians say about it as truth? They're all just playing their pre-negotiation opening gambits - what both sides are currently saying will eventually be shown to have been wrong.

 

[McHrozni]

Why do you dismiss what UK politicians say about the Brexit negotiations as nonsense but treat what EU politicians say about it as truth? They're all just playing their pre-negotiation opening gambits - what both sides are currently saying will eventually be shown to have been wrong.

UK politicians: "European politicians will do X." They have the motive to lie in this manner.
EU politicians: "We will do Y." They have no motive to lie in this manner.

Which side do you find more credible?

McHrozni

 

[3point14]

Maybe we look at what's been said and compare it to reality and see who has the better track record?

 

[McHrozni]

Maybe we look at what's been said and compare it to reality and see who has the better track record?

I suggest we start with 350 million pounds a week that should go to NHS.

McHrozni

 

[3point14]

I suggest we start with 350 million pounds a week that should go to NHS.

McHrozni

Indeed.

I'm at a loss as to why the front pages of all the newspapers don't have the latest added costs and running total along with a sidebar of 'things the PM's promised' that will cost a large, but unknown amount of money, every single day. I'm beginning to doubt the motivations of the journalists concerned...


We've been absolutely had. What's amazing to me is that, after being had, everyone is sitting, staring at a naked emperor going "Nice trousers."

 

[The Don]

The latest copy of Private Eye just landed on the doormat. Thought this snippet from Page 5 was interesting:

The government's Brexit plans continue with the same level of meticulous planning we have come to expect.

A department for International Trade official recently circulated a draft list of countries which should be given proprotion for future trade/sector agreements after Brexit. Fifty countries were on the list. Number two was "Africa"...

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Why do you dismiss what UK politicians say about the Brexit negotiations as nonsense but treat what EU politicians say about it as truth?

Could it be something to do with the fact that what the EU politicians say makes sense while the mouthings of the UK politicians don't really?

I mean it stands to reason that the UK will have to foot a bill for commitments it made while a member of the EU.

 

[Aepervius]

WE ARE LEAVING THE EU

Sure, but should you not ask for a proper published plan from the power that be before giving them a carte blanche to do whatever ?

 

[ceptimus]

Could it be something to do with the fact that what the EU politicians say makes sense while the mouthings of the UK politicians don't really?

I mean it stands to reason that the UK will have to foot a bill for commitments it made while a member of the EU.

I don't agree. You are very biassed against Brexit and are not considering what's been said in a dispassionate way.

My own view is that politicians on both sides of the forthcoming negotiation have made some rather absurd statements. As with any negotiation, if the two parties wish to end up with an agreement in their mutual interest then both sides will need to give ground. If either side is too stubborn then the negotiations will stall and that will not benefit anyone.

 

[ceptimus]

Sure, but should you not ask for a proper published plan from the power that be before giving them a carte blanche to do whatever ?

I agree completely.

So far the EU has published no plan whatsoever.

Britain, in contrast, has published a White Paper, its parliament has debated the issue ad nauseam and the Prime Minister has given a speech outlining what we want.

I think Britain should refrain from revealing any more details of its plan until the EU side has done a similar job of describing its plan. Of course, the EU is such a lumbering bureaucracy that it probably has no inkling of any plan so far - and it will most likely take it a few years to begin to develop one.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I don't agree. You are very biassed against Brexit and are not considering what's been said in a dispassionate way.

My own view is that politicians on both sides of the forthcoming negotiation have made some rather absurd statements. As with any negotiation, if the two parties wish to end up with an agreement in their mutual interest then both sides will need to give ground. If either side is too stubborn then the negotiations will stall and that will not benefit anyone.

You disagree that the UK will have to foot a bill for commitments it has signed up to while a member???

Does the UK even have a position on this? Have they indicated what they think the bill should be?

Shouldn't this kind of stuff be considered important to deciding whether to leave or not? Shouldn't this have been clear before the vote?

In other news David Davis has bad news for those wanting the low skilled immigrants out. We can't cope without them so we are going to get rid of them after all.

So far the benefits accruing from Brexit are???

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I agree completely.

So far the EU has published no plan whatsoever.

Britain, in contrast, has published a White Paper, its parliament has debated the issue ad nauseam and the Prime Minister has given a speech outlining what we want.

I think Britain should refrain from revealing any more details of its plan until the EU side has done a similar job of describing its plan. Of course, the EU is such a lumbering bureaucracy that it probably has no inkling of any plan so far - and it will most likely take it a few years to begin to develop one.

Did you type that with a straight face? The white paper is as much a plan as Del Boy's this time next year we will be millionaires Rodney.

 

[ceptimus]

Did you type that with a straight face? The white paper is as much a plan as Del Boy's this time next year we will be millionaires Rodney.

It's a much more detailed plan than any we've seen from the EU so far.

 

[ceptimus]

You disagree that the UK will have to foot a bill for commitments it has signed up to while a member???

IF we have signed up to these commitments then we may have to pay. The EU has yet to prove that we did sign up.

And of course any bill will be offset by what the EU have to pay us.

For example there are many more EU nationals in the UK than vice versa. If all these people are to remain in place after Brexit and continue to get free health care and such, then the EU will have to pay the UK to compensate for the imbalance.

 

[3point14]

You disagree that the UK will have to foot a bill for commitments it has signed up to while a member???

Does the UK even have a position on this? Have they indicated what they think the bill should be?

Shouldn't this kind of stuff be considered important to deciding whether to leave or not? Shouldn't this have been clear before the vote?

In other news David Davis has bad news for those wanting the low skilled immigrants out. We can't cope without them so we are going to get rid of them after all.

So far the benefits accruing from Brexit are???

I think you turned an 'are' into an 'aren't there?


So, leaving the EU will not achieve any of the desired effects, we'll be doing so under an unelected leader, still have to meet EU standards if we're to sell into the EU, be unable to keep our economy going without imported labour and it will cost a fortune.


On the plus side, it will be really easy to lower safety and working practices along with wages for those imported workers. And everyone else, of course.

 

[Lothian]

It's a much more detailed plan than any we've seen from the EU so far.

The EU doesn't need any plans. They have a full set of regulations and directives detailing how to trade with countries that are not in the EU.