Brexit: Now What? Part II

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The Don said:
....and if they attempt to demonstrate what's likely to happen they will be shouted down because "experts don't know anything".

I've said it repeatedly, somehow we've allowed ourselves to be convinced that a narrow referendum victory for a poorly defined outcome is somehow an enormous and ringing mandate for fundamental (and IMO catastrophic) change. :mad:
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This is also one thing they should be called out more often. There was no referendum on EEA membership and a good deal of Leave campaign mentioned EEA membership wasn't on the chopping bloc, should they win. Government decided UK was a member of EEA only through membership in EU, but this is something that could be challenged in court. Regardless of results of the lawsuit, some time would be gained as a result. Time is not on the side of Brexitards, especially if popular support for Brexit begins to wane. Some polls suggest there was a small but sufficient drop in support already in the summer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-even-in-the-uk

Polls are all over the place, with one AOL poll of a hard Brexit having 15% support to a poll held by Sky news yesterday showing 51% support for leaving the common market. Such swings show the polls can be quite meaningless, but I find it likely that support for hard Brexit to be inversely proportional with the amount of knowledge a voter has about what hard Brexit will entail.

That's why educating people on what Theresa May just promised should be the cornerstone of any campaign for rationality. Educating and reminding them of what was promised beforehand - 350m a week is a prime example.

McHrozni
 
The Don said:
Trouble is that there's no guarantee that it's going to happen - we're just very suspicious that it will.
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If they publicly denounce it a couple of times it will be more difficult to carry out later on. It's useful no matter how you look at it.

McHrozni
 
The Don said:
In other Brexit news, Boris is claiming that countries are queuing up for trade deals:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Well of course they are, in much the same way as there are queues outside shops on Boxing day - prospective international trading partners have a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get an amazing deal while the UK is desperate :rolleyes:
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It seems to be very desperate indeed! Our polyglot Foreign Secretary came unstuck while striving to get Indians to queue up to purchase Scotch whisky. In educating them in Scots Gaelic, he treated them to a mixture of Irish and gibberish. This report from STV.
He told the Indian audience: "It is an extraordinary fact that even though, I don't think anyone will deny this, that Scotland is incontestably the home, the origin, the progenitor of Scotch whisky, isn't it?

"The only place in the world where the water trickles through the peaty glen in exactly the right way to turn it into liquid fire.

"And even though whisky is itself, as far as I know, according to Wikipedia derived from a Gaelic word 'uisce' or possibly 'uisceaugh', depending on how good your Gaelic is.​
STV notes that
In an attempt to spell and pronounce 'uisge' (whisky) and 'uisge beatha' (water of life) Johnson instead used 'uisce' the Irish for whisky and 'uisceaugh', which is not found in either or any language.

The foreign secretary also mispronounced Gaelic, instead using Irish pronunciation when referencing the language.​
 
And now our "lovable buffoon" of a Foreign Secretary is pouring gasoline on the Brexit fire by referring back to the second world war in the context of Brexit:

With just over two months to go before the UK government is due to get Brexit talks under way, Mr Johnson was asked on a trip to India about comments by an aide to French President Francois Hollande, who said the UK should not expect a better trading relationship with the EU after leaving it.

He replied: "If Monsieur Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who chooses to escape, rather in the manner of some World War Two movie, then I don't think that is the way forward.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Things have moved on since WWII finished 70 years ago Boris. :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
And now our "lovable buffoon" of a Foreign Secretary is pouring gasoline on the Brexit fire by referring back to the second world war in the context of Brexit:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Things have moved on since WWII finished 70 years ago Boris. :rolleyes:
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They are sticking to the pre brexit aims (of some) where they want a deal where we have is exactly the same as we do now apart from no contribution and no free movement of labour.

If we can deny the rights of Europeans to come here in return for the EU giving up £350millon per week it will be remarkable. The EU would have to have some really crap negotiators to strike that deal.
 
commandlinegamer said:
A return of the death penalty, particularly if it were administered the same as previously—a short wait, then a long drop—might help reduce prison numbers, which could then be used for immigrants. So it's easy to see the appeal.
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Albeit at the price of a few innocent people dead.
 
The Don said:
And now our "lovable buffoon" of a Foreign Secretary is pouring gasoline on the Brexit fire by referring back to the second world war in the context of Brexit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Things have moved on since WWII finished 70 years ago Boris. :rolleyes:
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Things weren't like that even then.
... comments by an aide to French President Francois Hollande, who said the UK should not expect a better trading relationship with the EU after leaving it.

He replied: "If Monsieur Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who chooses to escape, rather in the manner of some World War Two movie, then I don't think that is the way forward.​
My bold. Now if the Commandant of Stalag X had said, escapers should not expect better rations from the camp kitchen after leaving the camp, that is not a particularly severe "punishment beating", is it? It sounds quite mild as sanctions go.
 
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Members of any club get a better deal (eg reduced fees for using facilites) than non-members in return for their membership fee. If non-members got as good a deal as members there would be no point in anyone joining a club, would there?
 
If we can get the cherry-picked deal we want with all the benefits and no drawbacks, the obvious question will be why on earth didn't we leave decades ago.
 
ceptimus said:
If we can get the cherry-picked deal we want with all the benefits and no drawbacks, the obvious question will be why on earth didn't we leave decades ago.
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You can't have such a deal

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ceptimus said:
If we can get the cherry-picked deal we want with all the benefits and no drawbacks, the obvious question will be why on earth didn't we leave decades ago.
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You can't have such a deal

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ceptimus knows that and AFAIK has been consistently "Hard Brexit and damn the consequences".

IIRC ceptimus views the economic risks as being an acceptable price to pay to get sovereignty back and considers the economic risks as presented by the Remainers as being overblown because the EU will come to pretty favourable terms...
 
Greebo said:
The majority of the brexiteers seems to think that the world will back 70 years when we leave and " Britain will be great again - huzzah!!"
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Oooh, rationing, bomb sites, and heavily indebted to the US?
Yay!
 
Craig B said:
Things weren't like that even then.
... comments by an aide to French President Francois Hollande, who said the UK should not expect a better trading relationship with the EU after leaving it.

He replied: "If Monsieur Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who chooses to escape, rather in the manner of some World War Two movie, then I don't think that is the way forward.​
My bold. Now if the Commandant of Stalag X had said, escapers should not expect better rations from the camp kitchen after leaving the camp, that is not a particularly severe "punishment beating", is it? It sounds quite mild as sanctions go.
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It's all about setting the tone and portraying Britain as a plucky underdog being picked on and mistreated by those horrible foreigners.

Plays very well to the home audience if things go wrong.
 
The Don said:
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It's possible, but unlikely that UK citizens could find themselves in a similar situation, that before our summer trip to Spain, Italy or Greece, or a ski holiday in France, Italy or Austria the family has to spend £100 or so getting the visas sorted out. IMO it all depends on what measures the UK puts in place.
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You mean we could see fewer British tourists crowding mediterranean beaches?
Mallorca will be ours and ours only again!

Isn't there a silver lining in everything... :duck:
 
ZeeGerman said:
You mean we could see fewer British tourists crowding mediterranean beaches?
Mallorca will be ours and ours only again!

Isn't there a silver lining in everything... :duck:
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It'll be worse than that, they'll still be coming but they'll whine the whole holiday about how expensive the visas were, how much more "foreign" the place suddenly is and how they're not getting enough respect despite paying a fortune to be there....
 
The Don said:
It'll be worse than that, they'll still be coming but they'll whine the whole holiday about how expensive the visas were, how much more "foreign" the place suddenly is and how they're not getting enough respect despite paying a fortune to be there....
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At least we will get peace and quiet until they get back. The recent Euro ruling that phone companies can't charge extra for EU roaming will be out the window and we will be back to £3 a minute for using your phone abroad.
 
Lothian said:
At least we will get peace and quiet until they get back. The recent Euro ruling that phone companies can't charge extra for EU roaming will be out the window and we will be back to £3 a minute for using your phone abroad.
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No doubt one of the first "punishment beatings" administered by the EU Camp Kommandant will be to force poor Brits abroad to spend so much on phone calls - how cruel of them :rolleyes:
 
ZeeGerman said:
At least they won't have so much money to spend on booze then.
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Oh no, they'll just find even cheaper booze to spend their Euros on. And decorate the pavements even more spectacularly.

Lothian said:
At least we will get peace and quiet until they get back. The recent Euro ruling that phone companies can't charge extra for EU roaming will be out the window and we will be back to £3 a minute for using your phone abroad.
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Oh yes, which means a return of the "I came home from holiday to a humungous phone bill!"
 
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