Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Does a second referendum have enough votes to pass in Parliament?

No, it would get voted down by half the Tories and...the Labour Party. I suppose a lot of the latter will defy the whip, but...enough of them?

Does anything?

If not then a no deal shambles seems the option that we get to by default. Which is why the Leavers were so keen to trigger Art 50 straight away before anyone could actually think through the consequences.

It is bizarre how Theresa May has arranged a deal she surely must have known could not pass, and that now she knows it won't is still going to put it to the vote anyway as "the only deal possible".
 
Does a second referendum have enough votes to pass in Parliament?

If the current deal is voted down, Parliament specifically rules out a no-deal Brexit and Labour can't force an election, then it might get enough votes because Labour sees it as the only way to make the Conservatives look bad and Conservative remainers decide it'll help their chances at taking over the party in the long term.

Dave
 
It's my hopelessly optimistic wish that she has made such calculations. But I think a more realistic possibility is that the vote will fail and either the Tories will try to pull the Norway option out of the bag. Still a net loss for remainers but maybe not the catastrophe of the no deal. But, my most pessimistic hunch is that no deal will be allowed to happen.

Parliament gets a vote on the final deal and it won't allow a no deal to happen.
 
That certainly seems a viable conspiracy theory at this juncture, but I'm not sure how consistent it is with her adamant refusal to countenance a second referendum. Do you think she's got to keep up that facade to forestall a Gotcha! moment when the hard line Brexiteers pick up on the theory and start throwing round the accusations?

Dave

I think she'll do a U turn when faced with the loss of her own deal and the spectre of a no deal.
 
Parliament gets a vote on the final deal and it won't allow a no deal to happen.
We've been assured of it by the same people who assured us there's be a really good trade agreement, everything would be sorted in a few weeks, the EU would be begging us for favours, the economy would be fine and...

Oh.

Dave
The same people that spearheaded leave and jumped ship the next day?

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letter from my MP

Thank you very much for writing to me with your views on Brexit.

I have been consulting extensively with constituents and businesses in High Peak over the last year to determine local views on the impact of the different proposals for our deal with the European Union.

On Friday I held a Business Summit in Buxton of businesses from across the constituency.* Those businesses were unanimous in their view that they would prefer us to be in the EU than out because of its benefits for trade, travel and certainty.*

They were opposed to Theresa May’s deal because the transition phase only lasts for 21 months, and the future relationship agreement is so hazy that it will need to be negotiated largely from scratch, meaning another 2 years or more of uncertainty, which is the last thing businesses want.

I also held public meetings in Buxton and Glossop on Friday and Saturday, which were attended by around 200 people.* Thank you very much if you were able to come along, I hope you found it useful.

I heard a wide range of views on immigration and free movement, the impact of Brexit on our economy, on local jobs, on investment, devolution and climate change.

No speakers approved of Theresa May’s deal and pointed out it gives us neither control over our borders and laws, nor the full benefits of the Customs Union and single market.* The vast majority rejected the government’s proposed two options of its deal or no deal and pointed out that we are better off in the EU.

It was very useful for me to hear from so many people before all the many decisions over the next couple of months.

On the basis of the evidence of what the proposed deal offers and local views, especially those of local businesses, I will be voting against the proposed deal.

All of the evidence, including the economic analysis published this week, shows that No Deal will lead to chaos at our borders, vital industries leaving the UK, and a huge hit to our economy.* That will hurt our public services and people in poverty even more, which are two key local priorities.* No Deal was also rejected as disastrous by local businesses, as national business organisations have also done, so I could not support the option of No Deal.

*The way forward from here will be not be easy as Parliament tries to find a workable route out of this.* That’s why I have asked constituents what they want to see at the end of the Brexit process.

Completing my Brexit survey, as more than 1,000 people have already done, will give me a more detailed view of what my constituents want from the Brexit process. *I have also included 10 key questions on other issues, which I am determined not to lose sight of, in spite of all the pressure over Brexit.
 
'Vacargate' is growing.
Now demands for Newsnight producers to be sacked and the show taken off the air.
Also demands for BBC head of news to go and DG to step down.
Pro Remain groups want questions in Parliament over the BBC broadcasting pro Leave propaganda and reporting govt 'misinformation'
 
'Vacargate' is growing.
Now demands for Newsnight producers to be sacked and the show taken off the air.
Also demands for BBC head of news to go and DG to step down.
Pro Remain groups want questions in Parliament over the BBC broadcasting pro Leave propaganda and reporting govt 'misinformation'

I'm a big fan of the BBC.

The BBC has failed, utterly, in it's duty to the public over Brexit from the very beginning.

It fell back ion it's old, outdated 'balance' protocol and gave equal weight to Brexit loonies and failed to call them on lie after lie.

It has failed to adequately report on Banks and co. and their lies and crimes.

It has failed as a journalistic entity.

I certainly don't wish the end of the BBC, but I'd be bang alongside some sort of investigation into their reasons for their horrific journalistic choices.
 
'Vacargate' is growing.
Now demands for Newsnight producers to be sacked and the show taken off the air.
Also demands for BBC head of news to go and DG to step down.
Pro Remain groups want questions in Parliament over the BBC broadcasting pro Leave propaganda and reporting govt 'misinformation'

They still lack any evidence this woman was hired or was acting, right?
 
They still lack any evidence this woman was hired or was acting, right?

A quick Google suggests that there is no evidence that she presented any views but her own on the programme, or that the choice to wear a dog-collar and hence appear to be a member of the mainstream clergy (rather than aa member of an obscure and miniscule sect, which she apparently is) was anyone's but her own.

Hopefully, this will be our Pizzagate, and the worst injury done will be a series of sarcastic letters in the press.

Dave
 
BBC Breakfast was in Newlyn this morning. Cue interview with fishing twonk wibbling on about "fairer access," "our waters," and other such guff. Obviously didn't mention anything about British boats fishing in other-EU waters.

That's because all the waters belong to England. Britannia rules the waves and what not.
 
I dunno. In the good ol days of politics, we had weird-looking politicians like Thatcher, Kinnock, Douglas Hurd etc... and Spitting Image had a field day making fun of them. Perhaps not coincidentally there also used to be real characters in Snooker such as Alex Higgins, Willie Thorne, Bill Wer..Wurbi..Wirbunyak... the fat Canadian beer guzzler.

Then it became ultra boring after Tony Blair, with all politicians trying to look as manicured as possible, matching some focus-grouped photo-fit bland template. They had the same suits, the same mannerisms, answered questions the same way ("Linda, thank you for your question. Our answer is that we are giving you the choice, Linda!") and were basically dull, dull, dull. Spitting Image probably couldn't have worked in those days.

But now, Spitting Image would have a new problem. How could it even manage to parody the parade of gargoyles and weirdos in politics today? Bojo, JRM, Gove, May, Corbyn. They are too ridiculous by themselves.

Spitting Image ran through to early 1996, so covered the start of Blair's premiership. In recent years Newzoids did manage to lampoon Johnson, Gove, May ("Icy stare!"), and Corbyn, as well as Trump.
 
I see that, although it's fundamentally undemocratic to demand the British people keep on being asked to vote until they get the right answer, it's not at all undemocratic to demand the British Parliament keep on being asked to vote until they get the right answer.

Dave
 
A quick Google suggests that there is no evidence that she presented any views but her own on the programme, or that the choice to wear a dog-collar and hence appear to be a member of the mainstream clergy (rather than aa member of an obscure and miniscule sect, which she apparently is) was anyone's but her own.

The gathering press coverage seems to rely mostly on an appeal to incredulity that someone who is an "actor" could be appearing in anything other than a paid capacity.
 
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