Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[Andy_Ross]

Portillo has carefully cultivated his 'eccentric' traveller image with his 'Railway Journeys' series.
People forget his politics.

 

[3point14]

Why is that pretty much all Brexiteers seem to be such wholly cretinous individuals?

Watched Question Time last night and Tim Martin made me want to vomit, then stayed on for a bit of This Week and got Isabel Oakshott dripping with loathesomeness and Andrew Neil oozing scumbag from every pore while Portillo sneered at the world.

Whole looks at these people and people like Rees Mogg, BJ, Gove, etc and thinks 'they seem like upstanding individuals and well worth listening to'

The pop theory I read is that a third of the people have sociopathic tendencies and a other third of the people can't spot this.

Which leaves us, the final third, outnumbered by sociopaths and the credulous.

Which is why we're ******.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

The pop theory I read is that a third of the people have sociopathic tendencies and a other third of the people can't spot this.

Which leaves us, the final third, outnumbered by sociopaths and the credulous.

Which is why we're ******.

The scary thing is that people like Rees-Mogg don't even pretend to hide it. I can never quite work out whether its simply that these guys are memorable and therefore become popular as celebrities or if people genuinely are so indoctrinated into the class system that they think people like that are their betters so must know what they are talking about. It's scary.

I mean you wouldn't put JRM in charge of your kids let alone the country.

Its sad when you find yourself longing for the days of Blair and Cameron compared to the current lot.

But then I am also amazed by just how ignorant people are of the issues. The number of people on QT last night who just spouted out 'WTO' as if it was an answer was astonishing - not one of them I bet could tell you the first thing about what that actually means.

 

[toto]

Rees-Mogg's background is in journalism, as former editor of the TIMES. Degree was in history and the arts.

wiki

Compare and contrast with hard economic sciences Philip Hammond. This guy does understand what the issues are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hammond

PPE, is of course, the traditional route into politics. Plus Hammond has business experience.

William Rees-Mogg , Jacob's father, was a former editor of The Times.

 

[zooterkin]

Its sad when you find yourself longing for the days of Blair and Cameron compared to the current lot.

Apart from the fact that pig-****** Cameron was the one that dropped us into it.

 

[catsmate]

There's an interesting piece of demographic warfare playing out now between May, who wants to hold the Brexit deal debate on the BBC, and Corbyn, who wants it on ITV. Corbyn says it's because he wants to watch the final of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!, but that may also be political point scoring. So is May trying to convince the Remainers in their heartland of the sofa in front of the BBC, and is Corbyn going after the working class Tory vote?

Dave

Why not a joint broadcast?

 

[Lothian]

Why not a joint broadcast?

I support that. Give them a joint each and roll the cameras.

 

[Information Analyst]

UK Gaming industry is more than 5 times the size of the fishing industry.

Verdict in the Pub last night was that it serves them right, making video games isn't 'proper work'

After we 'take it back' they can get 'proper' jobs.

BBC Breakfast was in Newlyn this morning. Cue interview with fishing twonk wibbling on about "fairer access," "our waters," and other such guff. Obviously didn't mention anything about British boats fishing in other-EU waters.

 

[Information Analyst]

I support that. Give them a joint each and roll the cameras.

I'd be more interested in them dropping MDMA and then hearing the real truth come tumbling out.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Why not a joint broadcast?

Given the current deadlock on everything else related to Brexit, I suspect that there would have to be about six months of wrangling over which organisation does which bit.

Dave

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Apart from the fact that pig-****** Cameron was the one that dropped us into it.

True... but at least he wasn't stupid enough to think its actually a good idea.

 

[Belz...]

“We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU.”
David Davis
15 November 2016

“Indeed, [a trade deal] would take significantly less than two years. We hold all the cards. We will offer them a deal in response to their pleas for help.”
Patrick Minford
14 June 2016

Whatever you think about Brexit, these two people live in a different universe than ours.

 

[Diablo]

May was a remainer, and I think she has deliberately negotiated a lousy deal which will be unacceptable to almost everyone, and which Parliament will vote down, as it will a 'no deal', leaving the way open for a second vote which she thinks the remainers will win.

 

[BobTheCoward]

May was a remainer, and I think she has deliberately negotiated a lousy deal which will be unacceptable to almost everyone, and which Parliament will vote down, as it will a 'no deal', leaving the way open for a second vote which she thinks the remainers will win.

What would be different if it was negotiated in good faith? How would you tell?

 

[angrysoba]

Its sad when you find yourself longing for the days of Blair and Cameron compared to the current lot.

I dunno. In the good ol days of politics, we had weird-looking politicians like Thatcher, Kinnock, Douglas Hurd etc... and Spitting Image had a field day making fun of them. Perhaps not coincidentally there also used to be real characters in Snooker such as Alex Higgins, Willie Thorne, Bill Wer..Wurbi..Wirbunyak... the fat Canadian beer guzzler.

Then it became ultra boring after Tony Blair, with all politicians trying to look as manicured as possible, matching some focus-grouped photo-fit bland template. They had the same suits, the same mannerisms, answered questions the same way ("Linda, thank you for your question. Our answer is that we are giving you the choice, Linda!") and were basically dull, dull, dull. Spitting Image probably couldn't have worked in those days.

But now, Spitting Image would have a new problem. How could it even manage to parody the parade of gargoyles and weirdos in politics today? Bojo, JRM, Gove, May, Corbyn. They are too ridiculous by themselves.

 

[angrysoba]

May was a remainer, and I think she has deliberately negotiated a lousy deal which will be unacceptable to almost everyone, and which Parliament will vote down, as it will a 'no deal', leaving the way open for a second vote which she thinks the remainers will win.

It's my hopelessly optimistic wish that she has made such calculations. But I think a more realistic possibility is that the vote will fail and either the Tories will try to pull the Norway option out of the bag. Still a net loss for remainers but maybe not the catastrophe of the no deal. But, my most pessimistic hunch is that no deal will be allowed to happen.

 

[Dave Rogers]

May was a remainer, and I think she has deliberately negotiated a lousy deal which will be unacceptable to almost everyone, and which Parliament will vote down, as it will a 'no deal', leaving the way open for a second vote which she thinks the remainers will win.

That certainly seems a viable conspiracy theory at this juncture, but I'm not sure how consistent it is with her adamant refusal to countenance a second referendum. Do you think she's got to keep up that facade to forestall a Gotcha! moment when the hard line Brexiteers pick up on the theory and start throwing round the accusations?

Dave

 

[Amazer]

That certainly seems a viable conspiracy theory at this juncture, but I'm not sure how consistent it is with her adamant refusal to countenance a second referendum. Do you think she's got to keep up that facade to forestall a Gotcha! moment when the hard line Brexiteers pick up on the theory and start throwing round the accusations?

Dave

She might change her mind after the down vote in parliament? Declare that the house is hopelessly divided and that she is left with no choice but to give a second referendum?

 

[angrysoba]

She might change her mind after the down vote in parliament? Declare that the house is hopelessly divided and that she is left with no choice but to give a second referendum?

She might, but once Theresa May has made up her mind that there will be not be any chance of a new vote, she...oh, she suddenly surprises people with another one.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Does a second referendum have enough votes to pass in Parliament?

Does anything?

If not then a no deal shambles seems the option that we get to by default. Which is why the Leavers were so keen to trigger Art 50 straight away before anyone could actually think through the consequences.