Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

A serious answer about how it creates damaged individuals

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/02/bullindon-boys-dave-and-boris

see also George Monbiot's description of the Public School system, as a former pupil, and, he'd argue, victim.

In case you're unaware, British Public Schools are private and exclusive, with a pecking order.

Public schools and Oxbridge have a hell of a lot to answer for. Everything that is wrong with the UK in one little toxic bundle.

 

[Darat]

Why not read the report yourself?

Key issue is the reporting is appalling on the No Deal scenarios - the BoE is clear that these are "worst-case scenarios" used for stress-test purposes, and not forecasts.

Because I know I do not have the required knowledge to understand if the modeling is reasonable, correct etc. It's why we have experts.

ETA: And I do know Mogg isn't an economic expert so I find it is puzzling he is being put up against the report. The BBC if it wants to question the report or give viewers and listeners informed opinion on the report they should be going to experts who have expert reasons to doubt the accuracy of the report.

 

[3point14]

There's an interesting piece of demographic warfare playing out now between May, who wants to hold the Brexit deal debate on the BBC, and Corbyn, who wants it on ITV. Corbyn says it's because he wants to watch the final of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!, but that may also be political point scoring. So is May trying to convince the Remainers in their heartland of the sofa in front of the BBC, and is Corbyn going after the working class Tory vote?

Dave

I really don't understand the purpose of the debate if there is to be no public vote.

That makes bugger all sense.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I really don't understand the purpose of the debate if there is to be no public vote.

That makes bugger all sense.

And that stands out from everything else Brexit related because...?

Dave

 

[3point14]

And that stands out from everything else Brexit related because...?

Dave

Oh, it doesn't.

We were lied to about what was possible
Leave cheated and has lost in court because of it
The economy will be wrecked whatever happens
Massive amounts of information have come to light since the vote to change the value of the proposition

The fact that those nominally in charge are arranging a TV debate that has no purpose whatsoever shouldn't surprise me, but it does.


The longer this goes on, the more ridiculous it becomes, the more the actors move away from reasonable course of action and the more the majority of the press ignore the above massively salient points, the more I come to believe that someone, somewhere, not a part of UK politics, is pulling strings.


It's just such an utterly mental scenario that if you read it in a novel you wouldn't believe it.

I sincerely hope that, in a decade, when we've sold the QE2 and it's compliment of jets, when we're down to one nuclear submarine, when the NHS has been eviscerated and we've all gained the 'right to work, that there will be prosecutions for treason. And yes, I appreciate that that isn't going to happen because we live in a world where, if you are rich and influential, you don't have to be concerned with the possibility of suffering the consequences of your actions.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Because I know I do not have the required knowledge to understand if the modeling is reasonable, correct etc. It's why we have experts.

ETA: And I do know Mogg isn't an economic expert so I find it is puzzling he is being put up against the report. The BBC if it wants to question the report or give viewers and listeners informed opinion on the report they should be going to experts who have expert reasons to doubt the accuracy of the report.

Ah see, that's where you go wrong with your fancy pants 'experts' with their book learning and models based upon experience.

It's the gut feeling of 'a guy I met in the pub while drunk' that should be the basis for economic decisions!

 

[Aber]

Because I know I do not have the required knowledge to understand if the modeling is reasonable, correct etc. It's why we have experts.

Key quote on the BoE No Deal scenarios (from their report):

To assess the ability of the banking system to continue lending to households and businesses in the most adverse outcomes, the FPC has compared the scenario that banks were tested against in this year’s annual stress test with a worst-case scenario that could be associated with a ‘no deal no transition’ Brexit. The “disruptive” and the “disorderly” Brexit scenarios are therefore not forecasts for the economy in the event that the UK leaves the EU with no deal and no transition period.

Except that much of the press is presenting these as "BoE forecasts for No Deal".

 

[Vixen]

London will lose up to to €800bn (£700bn) in assets to rival financial hub Frankfurt by March 2019 as banks start to transfer business to the German city before Brexit day.

The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance released the figure after it was confirmed that 30 banks and financial firms had chosen the city as the site of their new EU headquarters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...00bn-to-frankfurt-as-banks-prepare-for-brexit




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I complained to my financial adviser that my pension fund blance had nose-dived alarmingly (risk level=low) last month. He said this was true of the whole pensions fund market. Having reached a six-month high, it is now low. He said the British pension fund portfolios are mainly invested and traded in European markets anyway, and had little to do with the Brexit situation in the UK. Markets go up, markets come down.

 

[Vixen]

There's an interesting piece of demographic warfare playing out now between May, who wants to hold the Brexit deal debate on the BBC, and Corbyn, who wants it on ITV. Corbyn says it's because he wants to watch the final of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!, but that may also be political point scoring. So is May trying to convince the Remainers in their heartland of the sofa in front of the BBC, and is Corbyn going after the working class Tory vote?

Dave

It's the art of negotiation. It a game of psyche-playing. According to the theory, the person who sets the agenda, time and place has the upper hand. (As an analogy, your boss calling you to his office, not the other way round). Whoever wins this tactic of specifying location is the one in the stronger position and the other, the one who wants it most.

I would say this was Theresa May, desperate to inculcate persuade the British public she is the 'voice of reason' and to 'trust me'. Without Corbyn's co-operation, she will not get this prime time wide audience.

 

[Vixen]

Because I know I do not have the required knowledge to understand if the modeling is reasonable, correct etc. It's why we have experts.

ETA: And I do know Mogg isn't an economic expert so I find it is puzzling he is being put up against the report. The BBC if it wants to question the report or give viewers and listeners informed opinion on the report they should be going to experts who have expert reasons to doubt the accuracy of the report.

Rees-Mogg's background is in journalism, as former editor of the TIMES. Degree was in history and the arts.

He later read History at Trinity College, Oxford, where he graduated with an upper second-class honours degree in 1991.[23][24] While at Oxford he became president of the Oxford University Conservative Association and was a member and frequent debater at the Oxford Union, where he was elected Librarian.[25][26] Reflecting on his time at university, he has admitted regret at not having studied Classics.[27]

wiki

Compare and contrast with hard economic sciences Philip Hammond. This guy does understand what the issues are.

studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics at University College, Oxford. <snip> He was educated at Shenfield School (now Shenfield High School) in Brentwood, Essex[7] where he was a classmate of Richard Madeley. He then read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at University College, Oxford, where he was an Open Scholar,[7] and graduated with a first-class honours degree.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hammond

PPE, is of course, the traditional route into politics. Plus Hammond has business experience.

 

[Vixen]

I really don't understand the purpose of the debate if there is to be no public vote.

That makes bugger all sense.

Just imagine if this was the sixteenth century. The losing side would have been hanged drawn and quartered as traitors, after a jolly ferocious civil war, with leaders' heads on stakes as an example to his (or 'her' in this case) followers.

That's what we don't get any more. Just a bunch of talking heads trading insults on tv.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, it doesn't.

We were lied to about what was possible
Leave cheated and has lost in court because of it
The economy will be wrecked whatever happens
Massive amounts of information have come to light since the vote to change the value of the proposition

The fact that those nominally in charge are arranging a TV debate that has no purpose whatsoever shouldn't surprise me, but it does.


The longer this goes on, the more ridiculous it becomes, the more the actors move away from reasonable course of action and the more the majority of the press ignore the above massively salient points, the more I come to believe that someone, somewhere, not a part of UK politics, is pulling strings.


It's just such an utterly mental scenario that if you read it in a novel you wouldn't believe it.

I sincerely hope that, in a decade, when we've sold the QE2 and it's compliment of jets, when we're down to one nuclear submarine, when the NHS has been eviscerated and we've all gained the 'right to work, that there will be prosecutions for treason. And yes, I appreciate that that isn't going to happen because we live in a world where, if you are rich and influential, you don't have to be concerned with the possibility of suffering the consequences of your actions.

It's a power struggle between the globalists and the Russians. They are all up to dirty tricks.

 

[p0lka]

Because I know I do not have the required knowledge to understand if the modeling is reasonable, correct etc. It's why we have experts.

I'm pretty sure you do, moreso than the politicians who pretend they understand things but are just petrified of looking..anything.

ETA: And I do know Mogg isn't an economic expert so I find it is puzzling he is being put up against the report. The BBC if it wants to question the report or give viewers and listeners informed opinion on the report they should be going to experts who have expert reasons to doubt the accuracy of the report.

Mogg is too busy moving his 'interests' outside the very thing he is publicly endorsing to care.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Apparently one of the members of a panel on a recent Newsnight 'debate' on Brexit has worked as an extra on some BBC show at some time in the past.
this means that she was a 'plant' as she was pro brexit and it sghows how biassed the BBC are.

It's being touted as 'Vicargate' as the panel member was dressed in a dog collar and claiming to be a Pastor in some American church organisation.
Apparently that is part of the conspiracy by the BBC to undermine the remainers.

 

[Trebuchet]

Apparently one of the members of a panel on a recent Newsnight 'debate' on Brexit has worked as an extra on some BBC show at some time in the past.
this means that she was a 'plant' as she was pro brexit and it sghows how biassed the BBC are.

It's being touted as 'Vicargate' as the panel member was dressed in a dog collar and claiming to be a Pastor in some American church organisation.
Apparently that is part of the conspiracy by the BBC to undermine the remainers.

Facebook page for her "church". That's her in all of the pictures.

 

[p0lka]

Apparently one of the members of a panel on a recent Newsnight 'debate' on Brexit has worked as an extra on some BBC show at some time in the past.
this means that she was a 'plant' as she was pro brexit and it sghows how biassed the BBC are.

It's being touted as 'Vicargate' as the panel member was dressed in a dog collar and claiming to be a Pastor in some American church organisation.
Apparently that is part of the conspiracy by the BBC to undermine the remainers.

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[angrysoba]

Apparently one of the members of a panel on a recent Newsnight 'debate' on Brexit has worked as an extra on some BBC show at some time in the past.
this means that she was a 'plant' as she was pro brexit and it sghows how biassed the BBC are.

It's being touted as 'Vicargate' as the panel member was dressed in a dog collar and claiming to be a Pastor in some American church organisation.
Apparently that is part of the conspiracy by the BBC to undermine the remainers.

What was the show? I watched that debate on You Tube, and one commenter had linked to a video saying the vicar was much better in this. It linked to a Fatboy Slim video with Christopher Walken dancing. I watched for a bit expecting the vicar to appear but slowly, with Corbyn-like awareness, it dawned on me that it was a joke. The vicar does have a passing resemblance to Walken, if you are a Brexit voter shortsighted. The moderator had no control on the debate as people on the panel and the “hand-picked” members of the public yelled at each other with the vicar nosiest of all not to mention most holier than thou.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Games4EU guide to gaming Brexit.

A no deal or hard Brexit will likely compel British video games and interactive entertainment businesses to relocate parts (or all) of their operations to the EU to comply with market rules.

https://www.games4eu.com/brexit-guide

UK Gaming industry is more than 5 times the size of the fishing industry.

Verdict in the Pub last night was that it serves them right, making video games isn't 'proper work'

After we 'take it back' they can get 'proper' jobs.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I complained to my financial adviser that my pension fund blance had nose-dived alarmingly (risk level=low) last month. He said this was true of the whole pensions fund market. Having reached a six-month high, it is now low. He said the British pension fund portfolios are mainly invested and traded in European markets anyway, and had little to do with the Brexit situation in the UK. Markets go up, markets come down.

This post has nothing to do with the post you quoted by the way.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Why is that pretty much all Brexiteers seem to be such wholly cretinous individuals?

Watched Question Time last night and Tim Martin made me want to vomit, then stayed on for a bit of This Week and got Isabel Oakshott dripping with loathesomeness and Andrew Neil oozing scumbag from every pore while Portillo sneered at the world.

Whole looks at these people and people like Rees Mogg, BJ, Gove, etc and thinks 'they seem like upstanding individuals and well worth listening to'

Are there any Brexiteers who aren't *****?