Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[jimbob]

This evening, I keep hearing lots of small explosions, accompanied by pretty colours.

Is it Mark Francois fulfilling his promise?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump: 'NHS on the table in US-UK trade deal'

Speaking at a joint press conference, US President Donald Trump said the National Health Service would form part of negotiations over a possible future trade deal between the UK and US.

"When you're dealing in trade, everything is on the table," he said.

The president's comments come after the US ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, told the BBC's Marr programme that the United States would seek business access to the NHS as part of trade negotiations after Brexit.

Video in link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-48516196/trump-nhs-on-the-table-in-us-uk-trade-deal

I know it was in June but it should be kept in mind.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Lizz Truss says

We will not be extending the Brexit transition period beyond 2020. The British people have waited long enough for Brexit. We will be able to negotiate a good free trade deal with the EU and other partners in that timeframe

So that't it extended to 2021 then?

 

[Darat]

Lizz Truss says



So that't it extended to 2021 then?

With no trade deal....

 

[Lothian]

With no trade deal....

Don't be silly. Michael Gove said this morning he sees no difficulty whatsoever in negotiating a trade deal before the end of next year. Boris is the man who can deliver that and has a track record to show it. That is why Gove and others were so fiercely opposed to the undemocratic backstop which would only come into effect if a deal was not reached by the end of 2020....... Hang on is there a tiny contradiction there. Anyway, nevermind, Go Boris.

 

[The Don]

No possible downside, only a considerable upside:

The downbeat figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders that showed car registrations have fallen 6.7% in October have been blamed on Brexit by Ian Plummer, the commercial director at Auto Trader.

He said people aren't buying motors because consumer confidence is at its lowest point in six years.

"Brexit is the driving force of this lack of confidence," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/bus...c1492a3709030669403bad&pinned_post_type=share

Duncan Brock, group director at the Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply, said: "Without any real expectation for significant change in October, the sector stuttered and stalled delivering a lifeless set of results as new business from domestic and export markets dried up and orders fell for the second month in a row.

"In terms of staff hiring, this is one of the worst service sector performances since 2011, as job creation became job cutting for the fifth time this year."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/bus...c146e43709030669403ba8&pinned_post_type=share

 

[Vixen]

So Nigel is fielding 600 Brexit Party candidates. Is anyone really going to vote for Ann Widdecombe?


This is going to be a long, loooooong six weeks.

 

[Nessie]

Don't be silly. Michael Gove said this morning he sees no difficulty whatsoever in negotiating a trade deal before the end of next year. Boris is the man who can deliver that and has a track record to show it. That is why Gove and others were so fiercely opposed to the undemocratic backstop which would only come into effect if a deal was not reached by the end of 2020....... Hang on is there a tiny contradiction there. Anyway, nevermind, Go Boris.

They need telling that the only easy trade deal is what we already have with the EU.

 

[The Don]

They need telling that the only easy trade deal is what we already have with the EU.

Which is why the UK should still have it post Brexit without those pesky four freedoms and any regulations...

 

[GlennB]

So Nigel is fielding 600 Brexit Party candidates. Is anyone really going to vote for Ann Widdecombe?


This is going to be a long, loooooong six weeks.

Last I heard it was 60. They haven't got the money for 600 deposits

 

[McHrozni]

With Brexit party campaigning out there this election is a sort of referendum on Brexit:

Brexit party: No deal Brexit.
Tories: Brexit with the agreed deal.
LibDem, Cymru, Green, SNP: Revoke article 50 and Bremain.
Labour: I don't know.

The match is not perfect and the election can not be seen as a Brexit referenum, but it will serve as a gauge of voter sentiment.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

The match is not perfect and the election can not be seen as a Brexit referenum, but it will serve as a gauge of voter sentiment.

McHrozni

Well, ish.

I'll be voting Labour despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep the Tories out.

Wyld Bird Seed's drummer will be Voting Conservative despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep Corbyn out.

 

[Mojo]

Well, ish.

I'll be voting Labour despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep the Tories out.

Wyld Bird Seed's drummer will be Voting Conservative despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep Corbyn out.

[Obligatory drummer joke]

 

[Vixen]

[Obligatory drummer joke]

Pete Townsend of the Who did recently say he always thought Keith Moon was 'a prat'.

 

[McHrozni]

Well, ish.

Yes, -ish

I'll be voting Labour despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep the Tories out.

The last time I heard their stance was a referendum on the said deal or Bremain with Labour campaigning to Bremain. I don't find that stance troubling.

Their stance now is more unicorns, I take it?

Wyld Bird Seed's drummer will be Voting Conservative despite disagreeing with their Brexit stance to keep Corbyn out.

That sentiment is not unreasonable in the slightest. UK needs a Brexit referendum. However with Bremain destined to win in any match-up, throwing one is going to be a major challenge indeed.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

The last time I heard their stance was a referendum on the said deal or Bremain with Labour campaigning to Bremain. I don't find that stance troubling.

Their stance now is more unicorns, I take it?

The current policy as I understand it (but I could very well be wrong) is:

• Jeremy Corbyn will negotiate a different deal with the EU - one that somehow manages to keep the UK in a customs union with the EU whilst allowing the UK to have separate trade deals with other countries (and doubtless other impossible things)
• Labour would put their deal to the country in a referendum (though personally I think that Cobyn would renege on that if he got his deal)
• Labour would campaign in favour of Corbyn's deal
• If Corbyn was unable to negotiate a deal then he would revert to Boris Johnson's deal
• This deal would be put to the country in a referendum
• Labour would campaign against that deal

Labour are still officially a Brexit party, albeit one who will allegedly reconfirm with the country before doing anything irrevocable.

That sentiment is not unreasonable in the slightest. UK needs a Brexit referendum. However with Bremain destined to win in any match-up, throwing one is going to be a major challenge indeed.

McHrozni

The thing is that our drummer is a "soft Remainer" (has no great love for the EU but recognises that being outside the EU on any terms is far worse for the UK than being in the EU) and yet is voting for the Conservatives (who plan to take the UK out of the EU in the most damaging way they can get away with) to prevent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister. That doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

In any case, both of our votes for pro-Brexit parties are despite our opposition to Brexit. Personally I'd rather vote for an anti-Brexit party but they are either not standing (SNP or one of the NI parties) or don't have a hope in hell of winning in my constituency (LibDem and Greens polled under 5% last time around) so it isn't really a Brexit referendum in any meaningful way because both major parties are pro-Brexit.

 

[McHrozni]

The current policy as I understand it (but I could very well be wrong) is:

(turncoated to keep the post managable)

Labour are still officially a Brexit party, albeit one who will allegedly reconfirm with the country before doing anything irrevocable.

If they comitt to a referendum of whichever deal or Bremain, that's what we now call "3.8 Röntgen an hour".

Not great, not terrible.

The thing is that our drummer is a "soft Remainer" (has no great love for the EU but recognises that being outside the EU on any terms is far worse for the UK than being in the EU) and yet is voting for the Conservatives (who plan to take the UK out of the EU in the most damaging way they can get away with) to prevent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister. That doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

He considers Corbyn to be the greater evil of the two. That's not irrational, given his other ideas. It may be based on faulty data, but not irrational per se.

In any case, both of our votes for pro-Brexit parties are despite our opposition to Brexit. Personally I'd rather vote for an anti-Brexit party but they are either not standing (SNP or one of the NI parties) or don't have a hope in hell of winning in my constituency (LibDem and Greens polled under 5% last time around) so it isn't really a Brexit referendum in any meaningful way because both major parties are pro-Brexit.

FPTP for teh loss. It's still a gauge of voter sentiment, -ish as you said

McHrozni

 

[Ian Osborne]

Labour: I don't know.

We've no idea what sort of deal we'd get through Labour, but at least they'd give us a second referendum. I prefer the 'revoke Article 50' route, but will be voting tactically to try and get rid of the Tory.

 

[The Don]

With no trade deal....

That seems to be the Conservatives' plan, no deal in 2021.

 

[Lothian]

That seems to be the Conservatives' plan, no deal in 2021.

Post brexit the first messages out of May's no 10 was "prepare for every possible brexit outcome"
After a few months that became "scrap all other options, work towards no deal with a contingency if we get any deal".
Boris then come in and the message was "scrap the contingency we are leaving without a deal on 31 Oct prepare only for that"
A week ago that became "scrap everything you have been doing on no deal, throw everything you have at our new deal"
A week later everyone is taking a breather. Purdah means it is all on ice. I don't doubt mid December there will be a new message 'scrap everything you have done to date and start working towards this.....'. It all is a great use of time and money.