Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Well, firstly, nobody has blamed Corbyn for anything that Ken Clarke has or has not said, so this seems somewhat hysterical.

Secondly, it doesn't matter whether or not MPs scepticism of Corbyn is justified, the fact is that it exists and because of it he cannot command the confidence of the House. So the question becomes - if assigning blame is really the most productive way to look at the situation - is it the fault of that one person, or is it the fault of absolutely everybody else?

Well no somebody actually did blame Corbyn for the lack of evidence that KC can command a majority. So no not hysterical at all.

So far Corbyn is the ONLY horse in the race so yes, if he doesnt have rhe numbers its the fault of the people who wont bacj him.

If KC or anyone else came forward and said they have enough support to command a majority with Labour votes and JC refused then I would say that it is then him stopping things.

As it stands it isnt.

And we arent talking about absolutely everyone else we arw talking about Swinson and a couple of dozen independents.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Yes.

Where and when?

Afaik he only said he wouldn't rule it out back in august

 

[catsmate]

<snippage>

You were wrong. Do try and admit this.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Where and when?

Afaik he only said he wouldn't rule it out back in august

I think this comes down to exactly what's being meant by "throw his hat in the ring". He was asked whether he'd step up if asked and he said, as you say, that he wouldn't rule it out. I think that counts as throwing his hat in the ring. You're free to disagree.

And, as said, he has a better chance of commanding a majority than Corbyn does. It just needs Corbyn to come to this conclusion himself and to rule himself out.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I think this comes down to exactly what's being meant by "throw his hat in the ring". He was asked whether he'd step up if asked and he said, as you say, that he wouldn't rule it out. I think that counts as throwing his hat in the ring. You're free to disagree.

And, as said, he has a better chance of commanding a majority than Corbyn does. It just needs Corbyn to come to this conclusion himself and to rule himself out.

Sitting back and waiting to be asked isn't throwing your hat into the ring. Has he spoken to the lib dems, rebel tories and snp? i think the answer is no.

that being the case JC is the only game in town

 

[psionl0]

<snippage>

You were wrong. Do try and admit this.

What a dishonest way to respond to a post.

 

[McHrozni]

I just wanted to share with you a comment I stumbled upon on Quora.

When I was driving to the polling station on the morning of Thursday June 23, 2016, I couldn’t make up my mind which way to vote. My Tory MP had written this outstanding essay extolling the virtues of EU membership whilst warning of the damage leaving the EU would do to the economy and the lives of millions of people, and which I agreed with completely.

I was however, also mindful of the potential impact Brexit would have on me personally. I figured it would make very little difference to me personally as I am retired, I live in a nice apartment and my financial needs are minimal, my intellectual needs taken care of by exchanging comments with people such as yourself.

I am also not averse to challenges, and whatever the consequences of Brexit are, one thing’s for sure, the process has exposed the total inability of our parliamentary democracy to agree on anything.

Whatever reasons people may or may not have had for leaving the EU, this has been totally overtaken and reduced to insignificance. Even with the best will the world, Parliament as a body politic is incapable of abiding by the will of the people, and that’s because vested interests are pulling at it from all directions,

It seems to encapsulate the mind of a Brexiteer rather well.

McHrozni

 

[SezMe]

I think Johnson wants a no-deal Brexit, and power. I don't think he cares about leaving the EU at all, just what it can do to bring him wealth and power.

How will a no-deal Brexit make pounds for Johnson?

 

[McHrozni]

How will a no-deal Brexit make pounds for Johnson?

Use Pounds to buy Euros prior to the no-deal Brexit. Swap them back for Pounds when you can get a dozen for a Euro, sometime next year.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

How will a no-deal Brexit make pounds for Johnson?

Use Pounds to buy Euros prior to the no-deal Brexit. Swap them back for Pounds when you can get a dozen for a Euro, sometime next year.

McHrozni

Or indeed just get £££££s from grateful hedge fund managers and other "captains of industry" who stand to make a packet from the UK post-Brexit. These £££££s can come via generous fees for speaking engagements, lucrative non-executive directorships or just gifts.

 

[McHrozni]

Or indeed just get £££££s from grateful hedge fund managers and other "captains of industry" who stand to make a packet from the UK post-Brexit. These £££££s can come via generous fees for speaking engagements, lucrative non-executive directorships or just gifts.

Sure, but the hedge fund managers would still be getting the extra Pounds by betting against the currency. What you're mentioning is just the mechanism by which Pounds drop in BJs pocket.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

Sure, but the hedge fund managers would still be getting the extra Pounds by betting against the currency. What you're mentioning is just the mechanism by which Pounds drop in BJs pocket.

McHrozni

Others will be making good money shorting UK stocks (or possibly buying them).

Then there are the vulture venture capitalists who will be sifting through the wreckage of the UK economy to find some assets to strip sweat for profit.

 

[McHrozni]

Others will be making good money shorting UK stocks (or possibly buying them).

Then there are the vulture venture capitalists who will be sifting through the wreckage of the UK economy to find some assets to strip sweat for profit.

That's also an option, yes. Basically bet against the country he swore to serve.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

That's also an option, yes. Basically bet against the country he swore to serve.

McHrozni

Yes, that's the general plan....

Anyone who voted for Brexit in the expectation than it would benefit anyone other than a few people who are already very rich and perhaps some others who are in critical special interest groups, was mistaken IMO.

 

[catsmate]

What a dishonest way to respond to a post.

Pointing out that you made a claim (regarding low levels of UK support for abolishing the monarchy) were refuted (it's consistently over 30% and peeaked at over 50%), then tried to deny and evade (as you usualy do when refuted) is "dishonest" now?

 

[catsmate]

How will a no-deal Brexit make pounds for Johnson?

By short-selling Sterling. Gambling that it's value against the Euro will drop further.

 

[psionl0]

Pointing out that you made a claim (regarding low levels of UK support for abolishing the monarchy) were refuted (it's consistently over 30% and peeaked at over 50%), then tried to deny and evade (as you usualy do when refuted) is "dishonest" now?

No, it's making a strawman argument like that while censoring my post in the hope that nobody will realized that you are making a strawman argument that is dishonest.

 

[wobs]

It's remarkable that both Labour and the conservative party have apparently ran out of credible leadership alternatives at the same time. After Gordon Brown Labour managed to scrape up Ed Miliband from the bottom of the barrel. Since they could apparently not find any worse moderate candidate left to replace him the stage was left for extremists like Corbyn simply by default.

The same situation has played out in the Conservative party. After David Cameron there was Theresa May simply because no other candidate wasn't disliked enough, and after her Boris Johnson faced no serious challengers.

Probably due to the away they have their leaders elected. Rather than MPs voting for their leader, they let the party as a whole vote for them. This seems to result in a sort of cult mentality (for want of a better word), so you end up with more dross. The exception to this was Blair, but that was down to years of work to reform the party by Kinnock and Smith.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/activists-choosing-leaders-in-uk-politics-1-6166229

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

How will a no-deal Brexit make pounds for Johnson?

Hedge funds associated with him have over £8b invested in there being a no-deal Brexit. This was discussed a few pages back.

 

[Samson]

Sensational shift in Ladbrokes book

Article 50 Extended And UK Remains In EU After Oct 31
To happen on or before Oct 31 2019
1.33
Uk to leave EU with No Deal
To happen on or before Oct 31 2019
5.00
UK to leave EU with Deal
To happen on or before Oct 31 2019
9.00
UK to Revoke Article 50
To happen on or before Oct 31 2019
17.00

Brexit seems off