Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Rolfe]

Scotland is underpopulated and English people who want to be Scottish are not any sort of problem. It could be a matter of scale and timing I suppose.

 

[jimbob]

Well they're happier than during the wars, sure, but compared to the situation before that, I would disagree on all but Slovenia and Croatia. Bosnia-Herzegovina f.e. ist an extremely poor practical EU-protectorate and Kosovo is a mafia haven with associated US base, a terrible place that everybody who can is leaving.

Anyway, I hope that if any such developments take place in the UK you guys manage to do it peacefully.

Again with the drivel spouted by the anti-Semitic crackpot and conspiracy theory peddler?

Well it can't possibly have been the Serbian genocides against the Muslims (and Catholics) in Bosnia and Kosovo because Russia supported Serbia.

I do actually agree that the West bears a lot of responsibility, but that is because they didn't intervene earlier.

 

[SezMe]

Scotland is underpopulated...

What does that mean? Is there population number that supposed to be? By what measure?

In a world that is, in my opinion, horribly overpopulated, it is hard to imagine what underpopulated actually looks like.

OK, off topic, but allow just a small side note?

 

[Vixen]

What does that mean? Is there population number that supposed to be? By what measure?

In a world that is, in my opinion, horribly overpopulated, it is hard to imagine what underpopulated actually looks like.

OK, off topic, but allow just a small side note?

Scotland:

Scotland's total land area is 30,400 square miles or 78,800 square kilometers, giving it an overall population density of 168 people per square mile or 65 people per square kilometer.

https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usscotfax/geography/index.html

England:

As of 2018, the population density for the United Kingdom was 274 people per square kilometer. Of the countries which make up the United Kingdom, England is by far the most densely populated at 430 people per square kilometer.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/281322/population-density-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-by-country/


However, you do need to take into account terrain. Scotland is full o' ye banks and braes' o' bonny doon.


Attached, from: https://theconversation.com/think-y...-about-population-density-across-europe-90345

 

[Information Analyst]

But even if it happened, I don't see what's to stop Johnston continuing to refuse another independence referendum, legislate to remove all meaningful powers from the Scottish parliament, and also legislate to make "campaigning to break up the UK" illegal. And if he does that, then I wouldn't bet against this becoming violent in a way that Scotland has avoided up to now. That sort of "Balkanisation" I think we could all do without.

Sounds more like Catalonia than the Balkans.

 

[sphenisc]

Sounds more like Catalonia than the Balkans.

TBF so does Caledonia.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Sounds more like Catalonia than the Balkans.

Even that one is a stretch until the U.K. issues arrest warrants for Nicola Sturgeon and SMPs in flight to the continent.

 

[Rolfe]

What does that mean? Is there population number that supposed to be? By what measure?

In a world that is, in my opinion, horribly overpopulated, it is hard to imagine what underpopulated actually looks like.

OK, off topic, but allow just a small side note?

Surprisingly, Vixen has posted something relevant.

Scotland was subjected to severe depopulation in the late 18th and 19th centuries, for a number of reasons. In comparative terms, at the time of the union in 1707 Scotland contained (from memory) about 28% of the population of the brand new UK, that is with 33% of the land mass. Now that 33% of the land mass contains only something like 8.6% of the population. Scotland's population remained almost static at about 5 million throughout the 20th century and has only recently (in fact since the establishment of the Scottish parliament) begun to grow a bit. If it had grown as projected we'd have about 8 million people by now.

People have written about the so-called remote areas of Scotland, comparing them to geographically similar places in for example Norway. While Norway has thriving communities, Scotland has ankle-high stone foundations of ruined dwellings, hidden among the grass and heather.

We need and want more people. The problem is of course that people need infrastructure and that doesn't spring fully-created overnight. But it would be a nice problem to have, rather than the Westminster government deporting people with young families who have chosen to make their lives running a small business in a struggling small community because they only employed one person rather than two.

 

[Arcade22]

People have written about the so-called remote areas of Scotland, comparing them to geographically similar places in for example Norway. While Norway has thriving communities, Scotland has ankle-high stone foundations of ruined dwellings, hidden among the grass and heather.

Meanwhile in reality, rural areas in Norway and other Nordic countries are often struggling and certainly not "thriving", especially the northern ones. Very few young people want to live in the middle of nowhere, meaning that the population is concentrated in larger towns and the larger cities.

Add to this the people's preference for living at more southern latitudes, Scotland is destined to remain largely empty.

 

[crackers]

I dunno - what with global warming and all, in another 50 years people will be flocking to Scotland for the balmy climate.

 

[The Don]

Tory Brexit = keeping wogs out

The Conservatives will reduce "immigration overall" to the UK after Brexit if they win the general election, Home Secretary Priti Patel has said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50412772

Stuff the needs of industry, the NHS or UK residents' desire to reunite their families - got to pander to the xenophobes and racists

 

[McHrozni]

I dunno - what with global warming and all, in another 50 years people will be flocking to Scotland for the balmy climate.

Scotland has ... acceptable ... climate solely thanks to the Antlantic conveyor, a warm current from the Gulf of Mexico that warms all of Europe. Without that Scotland would be the climate would be comparible to the climate of Hudson bay in Canada.

Most Canadians live well to the south, about as far north as France.

McHrozni

 

[Tolls]

Tory Brexit = keeping wogs out



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50412772

Stuff the needs of industry, the NHS or UK residents' desire to reunite their families - got to pander to the xenophobes and racists

I see this time they're not going to give any actual figures (or timescales).
I think they've taken a leaf out of Samson's book...

 

[Vixen]

Surprisingly, Vixen has posted something relevant.

Yawn

 

[Vixen]

Tory Brexit = keeping wogs out



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50412772

Stuff the needs of industry, the NHS or UK residents' desire to reunite their families - got to pander to the xenophobes and racists

This language is irritating. For the record it was the Trade Unions (Labour mostly) who went on anti-immigrant marches way back when.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

TBF so does Caledonia.

Nominated for pith

 

[The Don]

This language is irritating. For the record it was the Trade Unions (Labour mostly) who went on anti-immigrant marches way back when.

Back when ?

Back in the 1930's it was the Fascists leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Back in the 1970's it was the National Front leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Over the last couple of decades it has been the EDL, UKIP, Brexit Party and the Conservatives themselves leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Even if there was some point in time where organised labour was leading the attacks on immigration and immigrants, for the last ten years it's been the Conservative Party which has been blaming immigrants for the effects of Austerity, calling for hard limits on the number of immigrants, talking about changing the immigration process (whilst at the same time doing precisely nothing about it).

 

[Vixen]

Back when ?

Back in the 1930's it was the Fascists leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Back in the 1970's it was the National Front leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Over the last couple of decades it has been the EDL, UKIP, Brexit Party and the Conservatives themselves leading the attacks on immigrants and Labour, unions and other Socialists leading the fight against them.

Even if there was some point in time where organised labour was leading the attacks on immigration and immigrants, for the last ten years it's been the Conservative Party which has been blaming immigrants for the effects of Austerity, calling for hard limits on the number of immigrants, talking about changing the immigration process (whilst at the same time doing precisely nothing about it).

The way I see it, it's a working class thing. The working classes mistrust what they perceive as 'cheap labour' (immigrants from poorer countries) undercutting their wages (or so they believe). It is this group who came out in support of Enoch Powell ('Enoch is right'). However, when you look at immigration history, it is invariably the Tories (for capitalist reasons [cheap, plentiful]) inviting them in.

You'll find Labour supported the various immigration acts so it is not a case of their being some how more friendly.

Please don't use popular racist terminology even it it is tongue-in-cheek as it doesn't help the argument.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Tory Brexit = keeping wogs out



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50412772

Stuff the needs of industry, the NHS or UK residents' desire to reunite their families - got to pander to the xenophobes and racists

Of course the irony is that this will massively reduce the influx of Europeans who are culturally and physically very similar to them (white skin, culturally Christian, secular etc) and who have tended to disburse themselves within the existing communty and instead we will have to make up the bulk of the immigration we need with the noticeably non-WASP communities that scare them so much.

 

[erwinl]

Of course the irony is that this will massively reduce the influx of Europeans who are culturally and physically very similar to them (white skin, culturally Christian, secular etc) and who have tended to disburse themselves within the existing communty and instead we will have to make up the bulk of the immigration we need with the noticeably non-WASP communities that scare them so much.

Maybe, maybe not.
I've thought about this seeming disconnect.

But, at least this way you can see/spot the immigrants.

With all those Poles who came for work, a local might think they're amongst their own people and suddenly find out they're surrounded by immigrants! The horror.
Better to have the immigrants more visible. Colour coded so to say.