Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Paulhoff]

Gravity is a force

Again, gravity is not a force.

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

First, no energy is used up to make gravity, so, what is you point.

Paul

 

[Reality Check]

Matter is energy, that energy is a force.
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Your knowledge of physics remains abysmal:

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads includes

• "Bended space is Contracted Space"
  Curved space is not contracted space
  First Asked 11 November 2009

and

• Can Bjarne understand that energy is not a force and cannot "equalize" a force?
  First asked 9 December 2009
  You can expend energy to create a force to equalize a force as a hovering helicopter does. But the simple facts are:
  • Forces are vectors but energy is a number.
  • The SI units of force are Newtons but the SI units of energy is Joules.
• Bjarne asks what a particle is!
• His simplistic knowledge of physis is betrayed by his delusion that since the force of gravity varies as 1/r^2 (e.g. a factor of 4 when r doubles) then the "speed factor “should” hence have been factor 4 as well" (plust other silly previous posts).
  The Basics of Space Flight: Circular Orbital Motion shows clearly that the mean orbital speed of objects should vary that the inverse of the square root of r. The fact that objects actually act like this in the real universe shocks Bjarne!
• More of Bjarne's ignorance of simple physics (circular motion).
• Bjarne asks "( What is ”radian” ? – 1 orbit)"
• Bjarne does not understand that gravitational time dialation has been measured and matches GR. It is not "guessing".
• Bjarne's ignorance of GR
• Bjarne's ignorance of the electromagnetic spectrum and geometry

 

[TFian]

Hey...it ain't no illusion in Mass Effect!

 

[Bjarne]

First, no energy is used up to make gravity, so, what is you point.

Is energy "used" in particle spin ?
Where does it come from ?

The strong force and gravity is united....

 

[Paulhoff]

Is energy "used" in particle spin ?
Where does it come from ?

The strong force and gravity is united....

Once again Bjarne, Spin is a metaphor, a symbol, not what a particle does.

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

The strong force and gravity is united....

No it isn't with that simple sentence. Show the math, they would love to see it.

Paul

 

[Bjarne]

No it isn't with that simple sentence. Show the math, they would love to see it.

Einstein tried 25 to show you, he was convinced the forces was united.
Even at his deathbed he tried to unite the forces.
It is not possible mathematical, inly in words >> http://www.science27.com/english/quantum_physics.html

Once again Bjarne, Spin is a metaphor, a symbol, not what a particle does.

Ohh no,
If it was so simple what then about the energy of matter...(?)

 

[Paulhoff]

Einstein tried 25 to show you, he was convinced the forces was united.

Where did you get that BS, he thought he could unite them, he never said he did and he never had the math to show he did.

Paul

 

[Blue Mountain]

Is energy "used" in particle spin ?
Where does it come from ?

The strong force and gravity is united....

Are you seriously contending that when a physicist talks about particle's "spin" he is referring to it spinning about its axis à la Earth?

 

[ArcturusA]

It is not possible mathematical, inly in words

Wow. Just...wow.

 

[Bjarne]

Are you seriously contending that when a physicist talks about particle's "spin" he is referring to it spinning about its axis à la Earth?

Particle spin sounds rational
If you don't like that, anyway you have some kind of energy preservation because of matter.
So some kind of a process must take place right ?

 

[Paulhoff]

Particle spin sounds rational

Rational has nothing to do with how the universe is. What people think is rational, isn't to the universe, get over it.

Paul

 

[jwalker1960]

The existence of dark energy isn't a matter of "logical sense", it's a matter of what the evidence we have tells us. I won't get into the science because I'm not a scientist. But, I do know that we have almost no idea what dark energy even is, let alone what it's properties are that could make the space between galaxies expand faster than the space within galaxies. To come to a conclusion that dark energy is only an illusion just because it doesn't make "logical sense" is reckless and sloppy thinking. Much of the theory of quantum mechanics doesn't make "logical sense" but it has been proven by many orders of magnitudes to consistently explain observations. A theory is considered valid when it can consistently and reliably predict observed phenomena. "Logical sense" has nothing to do with it and can often lead us away from the truth we are seeking.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Particle spin sounds rational

Dude, you seriously need to read A Brief History of Time. Hawking devotes an entire chapter to elementary particles and the forces of nature. It's Chapter 5, and it's titled, not surprisingly, Elementary Particles and the Forces of Nature.

 

[Reality Check]

Are you seriously contending that when a physicist talks about particle's "spin" he is referring to it spinning about its axis à la Earth?

Particle spin sounds rational
If you don't like that, anyway you have some kind of energy preservation because of matter.
So some kind of a process must take place right ?

You are just displaying the ignorance you displayed in The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads and Yet another fundemantally flawed idea from Bjarne.

• Particle spin is rational because it is based in mathematics and verified in experiments. That is something you are ignorant of - the scientific method.
• Energy is always conserved (with the possible exception of large scales in GR).
• No process needs to take place.

Quantum mechanical spin has nothing to do with classical spin. Unfortunately the people who labeled this quantum property spin did not think about people so ignorant or dumb that they would not understand this basic point.

 

[Bjarne]

Rational has nothing to do with how the universe is. What people think is rational, isn't to the universe, get over it.

Ohh my friend a lot of “science” is too often only based on what we believe and sometimes logic.

The existence of dark energy isn't a matter of "logical sense", it's a matter of what the evidence we have tells us.

And the fact that energy (EM-frequencies) seems to be lost. This “should” show you it is not logic. – The best is always if you logical / rational can understand “evidence”. Unless it too many time only is one more load of crap exported to the big blue unknown dimension junkyard.

I won't get into the science because I'm not a scientist. But, I do know that we have almost no idea what dark energy even is,

And therefore it would be nice not blab bla bla to much about evidence , that it is MATTER.

let alone what it's properties are that could make the space between galaxies expand faster than the space within galaxies.

Now you talk about dark energy.

To come to a conclusion that dark energy is only an illusion just because it doesn't make "logical sense" is reckless and sloppy thinking.

It is not “just” a illusion, - but rather a distort picture, because of only partly understanding the law of space, as well as failing to understanding what matter does when space expands.

Much of the theory of quantum mechanics doesn't make "logical sense" but it has been proven by many orders of magnitudes to consistently explain observations.

I believe one day it will make (a lot more) sense. Remember Einstein did not like it; he did not like the missing logic.

A theory is considered valid when it can consistently and reliably predict observed phenomena. "Logical sense" has nothing to do with it and can often lead us away from the truth we are seeking.

Wrong logic is most of the time the first step. And very often also the last.

 

[Bjarne]

Energy is always conserved (with the possible exception of large scales in GR).

Rational has nothing to do with how the universe is. What people think is rational, isn't to the universe, get over it.

OK you two fellows.

Let us look at the photo below.

Here is a picture of man logic and bull logic
The bull do not want to run in circle

But what is cow logic wrong here.

 

[Reality Check]

OK you two fellows.

Let us look at the photo below.

http://www.science27.com/forum/cowlogic.jpg

Here is a picture of man logic and bull logic
The bull do not want to run in circle

But what is cow logic wrong here.

The cow logic is to charge the man and kill him.

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Nothing is wrong except you have posted a stupid picture.
You are just displaying the ignorance you displayed in The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads and Yet another fundemantally flawed idea from Bjarne.

 

[Bjarne]

The cow logic is to charge the man and kill him.

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Nothing is wrong except you have posted a stupid picture.
You are just displaying the ignorance you displayed in The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads and Yet another fundemantally flawed idea from Bjarne.

Wrong