Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Humanzee]

I'm sorry. What problem is being solved here?

 

[wollery]

So what you really tries to do now is telling the wimp – (cowboy) that he has misunderstood it everything.
[qimg]http://www.science27.com/forum/cowlogic.jpg[/qimg]
It is only an illusion that he is too weak to hold the bull.
Because he gets the force back (!)
The little weak cowboy can hold an elephant in orbit too or a tanks or a super tanker in orbit too (?)

Is it THAT what you are trying to say?

To be accurate the diagram should be more like a attaching a bull to a large truck.

And by the way

P L E A S E also answers me the following 2 question:

I mean not an answer like; blab la bla Big blue GR junkyard dimension, but down to normal earth cow logic sense.

1.
When the Moon climbs it is losing energy, WHERE does the energy go?
WHERE does the Kinetic energy goes when it climbs RC ?
Of course you can say it will have “potential energy” when it climbs.
BUT WHERE is “THAT” potential energy?
Out in the big Blue?
WHAT is it ?

It gains gravitational potential, which means that the kinetic energy if it fell back to Earth is increasing. That's what potential energy means.

2.
Now when the moon falls the moon increases its KE
WHERE does that energy come from?
Where is the source ?
From gravity yes off course, but what does that mean?
From the Big blue nothing?

Gravity is like a warping of space. Objects will "roll" down a gravitational potential well. As to what actually causes gravity, the answer is that nobody really knows, but we do know, in great detail, what it does and how it works. Live with it.

This is the direction the bull wants to move, exactly like the tanks want to drive to the North, but according to you, - the wimp gets it into orbit. Just “klaks.”

What wimp? Gravity isn't a wimp, it's incredibly strong.

I am not (only) talking keeping the moon from escaping.
I am also not only talking about a force that keeps the moon in that orbit.
BUT I am talking about that the Earth rotation must be able to RESIST the motion direction that the Moon prefer.

It has nothing to do with the Earth's rotation.

Try to sit in a rowboat put a wire to a super tanker; can you get that ship to orbit around you, can you?
It is not enough to be allied with a 100.000.000 HP diesel engine, if that engine not would have an Anker, and be able to RESIST the direction the super tanker want to move.

Complete crap. It's more like getting a rowboat to go round a supertanker. Pretty easy really.

So how does the Earth R E S I S T the direction the Moon want to move?

Gravity, inertia, and angular momentum.

Exactly like even you are superman and is stronger than the bull, it doesn’t help you because the bull is 3 times so heavy, - it will drag you except if you have an Anker.

And what you continually miss is that the Earth doesn't need an anchor. The Earth also orbits the Moon. It's a two-body system, and the barycentre of the system is not at the centre of the Earth.

It is not only a question of force but rather RESISTANCE, - that is the key.

No, it isn't.

It is simple just rotate the Earth and the Earth will automatically resist that rotation ALSO when constant speed is reached.

No.

There is an invincible elastic wire between the Moon and the Earth. This is the FORCE, - but it is the Earth resistance against rotation that makes it all possible.

No.

Exactly like force and energy from the Bull is transferred to the poor weak cowboy so are force and energy from the Moon transferred to Earth. THIS is the first point to understand.

No.

Don’t believe anyone trying to tell you that the cowboy transfer KE back to the bull.
I can't see where that energy "should" come from, - that should make that possible.

So? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Furthermore do you belive the Moon gives KE to the Earth and one second get's it back
Why should I give you 1 $ when you at the same time want to give me that 1 $ back.
Why should I give you 2 $ when you at the same time want to give me 1 $ back.
It make no sence. ...

It makes no sense to you because you are wrong.

The difference is; that the cowboy can’t handle that big energy, -
BUT the Earth is smart, it is using EVERTHIING it get to its own rotation, and the rotation automatically require more and more energy to get diminishing rotate increase.
Which mean there is an automat “brake” build in to the process? If that not was the case the Sun would rotate (at least) as fast as mercury.

No.

Get use to it, you are facing a historic breakthrough, - not so much mathematical, but cow-logic simple, and impossible to understand that it have been ignored in 300 years.

It's been ignored for 300 years because it's a steaming pile of bullcrap.

Or if you prefer to believe like they the ancient did, - the Earth is unique, and the law up in the sky do not comprehend the Earth.
Such attitude is completely all right and no problem at all. Just ask RC he can wrap all such incoherent illogical obviously contradiction into beautiful GR-Space paper, and I believe he also is happy to sent this load to the big blue multiple dimension fantasy junkyard. Then this problem is also solved.

It's difficult to describe just how poor your understanding of physics is.

If you can't do the maths (which you can't) then you can't possibly hope to understand what's going on.

 

[Bjarne]

It gains gravitational potential, which means that the kinetic energy if it fell back to Earth is increasing. That's what potential energy means.

You forgot to answer the question where the energy goes, when the moon climbs

Gravity is like a warping of space. Objects will "roll" down a gravitational potential well. As to what actually causes gravity, the answer is that nobody really knows, but we do know, in great detail, what it does and how it works. Live with it.

And this is why the unification of forces is necessary.
Energy can’t just pop up from nothing.

What wimp? Gravity isn't a wimp, it's incredibly strong.

Try to get the point, this is about resistance .

It has nothing to do with the Earth's rotation.

Disprove it

Bjarne
So how does the Earth R E S I S T the direction the Moon want to move?
Wollery
Gravity, inertia, and angular momentum.

Ohh “intertia” – How ? The earth is spinning with constant speed. (!)
What angular moment gives that resistance to the Eath?
Can’t you see it ?
Completely nonsense.

Bjarne
Don’t believe anyone trying to tell you that the cowboy transfer KE back to the bull.
I can't see where that energy "should" come from, - that should make that possible.
Wollery
So? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Where should that energy it come from ?
Do you belive that the Moon transfer energy to the Earth? ( I do) you should understand that too, a bull and a cowboy do easy understand this.

Do you believe the Earth transfer back energy to the Moon ?
If so, - how long time after the Earth have got that energy from the Moon, - is it transferred back to the Moon?
Try to show it mathematical ?
Or do you only belive it is only the cowboy that transfer energy back to the bull ?
Show it mathematical.
Can’t you see it ?
Completely nonsense.

 

[wollery]

Bjarne, read a proper physics textbook.

No, seriously.

Do some research into this stuff. Because you really have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[steenkh]

Bjarne, read a proper physics textbook.

Even if he could read it, he would not accept it because it would not reinforce his own "cow logic".

 

[dafydd]

 

[Bjarne]

I can see noone could answer the questions
So the result is as I see it
5 - 0

 

[dafydd]

I can see noone could answer the questions
So the result is as I see it
5 - 0

You live in a world of your own.

 

[Reality Check]

I can see noone could answer the questions
So the result is as I see it
5 - 0

The questions are cow logic nonsence based on a fantasy cartoon. Only an idot would even try to answer them.

The real question is:

If a woodchuck could chuck wood, how much wood would a woodchuck chuck?
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[Bjarne]

 

[Paulhoff]

See how that points to you Bjarne, what a shame that you're not here to learn.

Paul

 

[Bjarne]

See how that points to you Bjarne, what a shame that you're not here to learn.
Paul

Ohh I have learn a little here at the forum, - but a important part, the theory was until now only a beta version, now is it finish. – So thank you for the attention.

For example I have learn, I must explain where the energy goes. And I have done it.

Can you do the same?

For example:

• Where the photon energy does goes? (When the Universe expands) ?
• Where does photon frequencies goes ? (When the Universe expands) ?
• Where does the moons energy goes when it climbs. ?

No you have answer that question in a way that make any sense.

I have shown where that energy really “goes”

And I have solved several mysteries without any of you logical or mathematical can disprove anything.

• Superstition
• Creeds
• Fanaticism
• Mass hypnosis
• Brainwash
• Authoritarian believe
• Mainstream emotion
• Huge load of systematic GR Junkyard export

What have that with learn to do?

I have shown how obviously it is that; planets, the Sun, and moons, resist motion as well as rotation.
There are no longer one single reason to believe that resistance suddenly "should" should disappear out in the big blue GR junkyard, when constant speed is reached. So why keeping such Junk alive?

And there are no longer any logical (coherent) reason to believe in dark matter really is matter, or that dark energy (acceleration) of the Universe exists.

And a lot more.

Time will soon show why this theory is blue stamped, and who are the dummy….

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[phunk]

Exactly like the bull transfer force back on the cowboy, so does the Moon transfer force back on Earth.
Due to that the Earth rotate with a certoan speed, this is because increasing rotation speed also give the Earth increasing resistance against motion (agianst rotation).
The speed of the Earth's rotation must reflect the excact energy that is caused due to the Moons attempt to escape.

The earth's rotation is not increasing, it's decreasing. How does that fit your theory?

 

[dudalb]

dp

 

[dudalb]

You're using Neal Adams as a reference for earth history and geology? The crank who believes the Earth started out as a small sphere and has been expanding in size (like a balloon) for thousands of years?

Instant credibility fail.

Neal Adams was a great Batman/Green Lantern artist,and he should have stuck to that instead of making a fool of himself with his obsession with crackpot "scientific" theories.
As for the OP, you would be hard pressed to find a better example of the crackpot mentality in action.

 

[Ziggurat]

For example:

• Where the photon energy does goes? (When the Universe expands) ?
• Where does photon frequencies goes ? (When the Universe expands) ?
• Where does the moons energy goes when it climbs. ?

Decrease in photon energy during expansion is offset by increase in gravitational potential energy.

Photon frequency is not a conserved quantity, so it doesn't matter if that changes.

On that third point, you need to learn to write better, because your question makes little sense. If the moon gets farther from the earth, its energy increases, not decreases. So the question is where the energy comes from, not where it goes to. And the answer to that is well known, and it comes from a process known as tidal locking.

 

[Bjarne]

The earth's rotation is not increasing, it's decreasing. How does that fit your theory?

I don’t know if you know it, but this is one of the most intelligent question that can helps to get a better understanding of the energies we are dealing with.
What I mean the more “angles” we can use to understand all this, the better, It is off course best to start with a the most simple planet/moon system as possible.

Basic…
The moons pull / transfer energy to the Moon, exactly like the bull pulls the horse/cowboy round and round. The Moon is the basic “engine”.

There are several factors that affect the rotation of the Earth.

All planets and mainly Venus and Jupiter steal rotation momentum from the Earth when passing by.
Tidal does the same.

BUT these two factors do NOT cause the rotaion of the Earth to decelerate, but ONLY causing a constant lower rotation speed.
Exactly like when you drive you care with not a completely released hand brake.
According to this theory the Earth rotation is constantly supplied with energy from the Moons orbit, and hence there are both (+) and (-) and not only (-).

The tidal force also throw the Moon further out in Space, this mean the moons orbit around the Earth will be less powerful and this is causing decreasing rotation, simply because less energy is transfer to the Earth.
Exactly like when the bull orbit close to the cowboy energy will be transferred much faster )the connection is also stronger the closer the moon are to Earth)

The point you mention is good, because it give us a pretty undisturbed relation which where we can equalize + 4 cm radius with a certain rotation energy.

What I mean: - the math to unravel all the different energy influences that affects the Earth (etc) is a huge complex job to do (and I hate such borrowing work) .
So the more we can insolate; effect and cause, - the better it is.
And here there is a good opportunity to reach an insulated undisturbed small picture.

Neal Adams was a great Batman/Green Lantern artist,

Artist are typical right brained people, don’t underestimate that my friend…
You could easy be the dummy...

and he should have stuck to that instead of making a fool of himself with his obsession with crackpot "scientific" theories.

We will se who is the fools.
This man is a hero not afraid the fanatic mass hypnotics idiotic idea that poor convection build mountains.
The expanding Universe is to blame.
(But well it is not all Adams believes that is correct, he don’t know why the Earth expands. But off course he is allowed to think loudly.)

As for the OP, you would be hard pressed to find a better example of the crackpot mentality in action.

Let us se which Universe soon will crack (pot) .
The Earth is expanding, no doubt. Mars are too.
But proportional much less.
http://www.science27.com/english/background_gravity.html

Decrease in photon energy during expansion is offset by increase in gravitational potential energy.

Yes this is one of the desperate ideas to explain that.
Another is that the energy simply disappears (out in the big blue).
But how do you explain that frequencies “disappear” or “converts” to gravity.
This is nothing but desperate junk.

On that third point, you need to learn to write better, because your question makes little sense.

No the Moon is losing speed when climbing, hence it is losing energy.
Energy can’t just disappear, WHERE does that energy go ?

If the moon gets farther from the earth, its energy increases, not decreases
It will have more “gravitational energy”

Right “potential gravity energy” - but this is a different discussion.
We have no idea how gravity can through energy around it self.
In fact energy pops up from almost “nowhere”
We will not get closer to that understanding unless uniting gravity and the strong force.
But this is a completely different discussion.

The point is that the Moons own KE (due to speed) is at the lowest at apogee.
On its way to apogee it must have lose KE,- WHERE is that ?

 

[Paulhoff]

Basic…
The moons pull / transfer energy to the Moon, exactly like the bull pulls the horse/cowboy round and round. The Moon is the basic “engine”.

NO IT ISN'T, and no matter how many times you say it, it still isn't right.

Paul

 

[Reality Check]

IThe point is that the Moons own KE (due to speed) is at the lowest at apogee.
On its way to apogee it must have lost KE,- WHERE is that ?

WHERE is it is in every text book on orbits published since Newton: It is converted nto gravitational potential energy.

The energy that the Moon has due to its orbit = its kinetic energy + its gravitational potential energy.

This is really, really simple physics, Bjarne, that is taught to high school students every day.

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads

 

[Bjarne]

WHERE is it is in every text book on orbits published since Newton: It is converted nto gravitational potential energy.

Nothing but warm air

Converted HA HA HA

You cant "point on it" can you ?

"Converted" to temperary blue air maybe

HA HA HA HA HOW FUNNY

On day our moon will leave us, now imaging the Moon did so, and also would leave the solar system and is 1 billion light years from the Earth
WHERE is energy

Converted to WHAT?

RC you are sooooo funny today