Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[dafydd]

Exact in the centre (ADG) will be zero
1 millionth mm from the center (in a homogeneous mass) it will be stable.



Your are right, - you must be hanged.

The relative gravimeter that have been used can measure down to 5 to 10 mGal
The absolute Gravimeter can measure 5 mGal
1 mGal = 10^(-8) m/s^2
It confused me how the gravimeter can show error below its possibility to measure.

Never mind what confused me is mainly this http://www.science27.com/forum/skema2.htm
Take a look how big difference, of ADG between each floor.
The 3 lower floors are about 1 meter higher, those you can forget.
But the others only few centimetres differences.
For example between floors 28/29 you have a pretty big ADG difference compared to floor 29/30 and 27/28
This could be different kind of apartments. Equipments, wind etc…….
Unless you can excactly answer WHY a building is out of question my freind.

What on earth does that dose of gibberish mean? Do you know some one who speaks English,perhaps they could help you?

 

[steenkh]

Please define what central gravity is.

He does not know what it is himself. Since he rejects the principle of superposition whereby the gravitational field is influenced by the mass of every single particle everywhere, he has come up with some "central gravity" concoction of his own where gravity is influenced only by "bodies", and dramatic things can happen when two bodies are brought so close together that they touch each other and suddenly becomes a single body.

 

[Belz...]

Exact in the centre (ADG) will be zero
1 millionth mm from the center (in a homogeneous mass) it will be stable.

What ?

I don't understand a single word of that post.

 

[Bjarne]

He does not know what it is himself. Since he rejects the principle of superposition whereby the gravitational field is influenced by the mass of every single particle everywhere, ....

I am not rejecting superposition
This applies for example for a body between two or several objects.

Of course it also applies for objects in a homogeneous gravitational field, since each single elementary particle does have its own gravitational field.

But in a homogeneous mass, - small gravitational fields such as particles or stones etc. are insignificant seen from a global perspective. In other words there or no opposition so long we talk about insignificant opposition.

 

[steenkh]

I am not rejecting superposition

So you changed your mind since that discussion on the Danish forum some time ago, when you thought that the concept was ridiculous? Very good. It is not so often we see you change your mind.

 

[Bjarne]

So you changed your mind since that discussion on the Danish forum some time ago, when you thought that the concept was ridiculous? Very good. It is not so often we see you change your mind.

I have never rejected superposition, but only mentioned that that influence is insignificant fx inside the Earth (except the inner core)

 

[Bjarne]

The measurement uncertainty as listed in the DOMUS VISTA document is one standard deviation of 0.008 mGal.

http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Domus.pdf

I am confused whether the “dot” is correct in the report

For example the ground floor = 981547.684 mGal
1 mGal = 10^(-8) m/s^2

9.81547684 m/s is according to my understanding = 981547684 mGal

What is strange dot doing in the report ?

 

[Bjarne]

mGal must be > mm

 

[Reality Check]

Your are right, - you must be hanged.

The relative gravimeter that have been used can measure down to 5 to 10 mGal
The absolute Gravimeter can measure 5 mGal
1 mGal = 10^(-8) m/s^2
It confused me how the gravimeter can show error below its possibility to measure.

Never mind what confused me is mainly this http://www.science27.com/forum/skema2.htm
Take a look how big difference, of ADG between each floor.
The 3 lower floors are about 1 meter higher, those you can forget.
But the others only few centimetres differences.
For example between floors 28/29 you have a pretty big ADG difference compared to floor 29/30 and 27/28
This could be different kind of apartments. Equipments, wind etc…….
Unless you can excactly answer WHY a building is out of question my freind.

You are right, - you must be hanged.

A Gal (or galileo) is is defined as 1 centimeter per second squared. That makes g = 981 Gal. So the report's mGal is the standard abbreviation for milliGal, i.e. 10^-3 Gal.

Not that this matters.
The measurement error is a sigma (standard deviation) of 0.008 mGal.
The differences between the measurements of each floor start at ~1 mGal for the first stations and then drops to ~0.85 mGal for the other stations. There is no "pretty big ADG difference".

Unless you can excactly answer WHY a building is out of question my freind with some actual physics and numbers.

 

[Bjarne]

A Gal (or galileo) is is defined as 1 centimeter per second squared. That makes g = 981 Gal. So the report's mGal is the standard abbreviation for milliGal, i.e. 10^-3 Gal.

Not that this matters.
The measurement error is a sigma (standard deviation) of 0.008 mGal.
The differences between the measurements of each floor start at ~1 mGal for the first stations and then drops to ~0.85 mGal for the other stations. There is no "pretty big ADG difference".

1 mGal is relative "much", - to my opinon too much....

Right, - milli and micro confused me, I was wrong (and will survive)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli
(Hanging will take place at 05.00)

Unless you can exactly answer WHY a building is out of question my friend with some actual physics and numbers.

Have you read this > http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5766119&postcount=280
No- right ?

 

[Reality Check]

Numeric prediction for the Domus Vista experiment

1 mGal is relative "much", - to my opinon too much....

You are wrong.
According to you it is relatively little:

The buildings (DOMUS VISTA) own gravity deviation I will consider to be maximum 20mGal.
A higher building properly more, but maybe not because of also the radius increases,, + also more gravitational wind noise.
A building is out of questions .
Think about the measurement uncertainty is alone 8 mGal.

So your unphysical, crackpot idea fails your own test on a couple of grounds.
First asked 30 March 2010
Bjarne
I have never seen any numeric prediction from you for the results of the Domus Vista experiment.
If I am wrong then cite your prediction and give the calculations that you made to work it out.

Otherwise you have just admitted that your idea is totally useless.

The killer point is:

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans
I have plotted your readings into a graph. Even if the gravity of the building is close to the noise floor, your thesis predicts a distinct jump in gravity when the center of gravity is passed. That did not happen. Similar measuremetns have been made before, on more massive buildings. Those series also confirmed the conventional theory.

 

[Reality Check]

Numeric prediction for the Final Project experiment

The Final Project
...
The next project is to build a container that measure 5 meter in diameter and 5 meter height. This should be enough to confirm which theory is the right one....
Any support & suggestions are welcome.

First asked 30 March 2010
Bjarne
The first thing to do is to use your idea and calculate the numbers that you predict from the experiment. Otherwise you will be tempted toweasel out as you did with the Domus Vista experiment and and blame effects that you cannot put numbers to.

Of course if you cannot do this first simple step than you have just admitted that your idea is totally useless.

 

[Belz...]

Bjarne, I still don't understand what central gravity is.

 

[dafydd]

Bjarne, I still don't understand what central gravity is.

Some Geese

EVERY child who has the use
Of his senses knows a goose.
See them underneath the tree
Gather round the goose-girl's knee,
While she reads them by the hour
From the works of Schopenhauer.

How patiently the geese attend!
But do they really comprehend
What Schopenhauer's driving at?
Oh, not at all; but what of that?
Neither do I; neither does she;
And, for that matter, nor does he.

Oliver Herford

 

[Belz...]

Whatever happened to kitty pictures ?

 

[ArcturusA]

I am not rejecting superposition
This applies for example for a body between two or several objects.

Of course it also applies for objects in a homogeneous gravitational field, since each single elementary particle does have its own gravitational field.

But in a homogeneous mass, - small gravitational fields such as particles or stones etc. are insignificant seen from a global perspective. In other words there or no opposition so long we talk about insignificant opposition.

So where do you draw the line between a homogeneous mass and a collection of elementary particles?

All masses are just a collection of particles with a lot of empty space between them, after all, even solids.

Do you think that if I calculate the gravitational field using every point particle in the Earth, it'll be different than if I just used the total mass of the Earth in a homogeneous blob?

 

[Bjarne]

According to you it is relatively little:

According to the container experiment it is easy to calculate its on GF to 104 µGal (not 104 mGal)

In that case the experiment/measurement is completely controlled.

• We can eliminate a lot of G-noise
• We will know how much mass we have
• We will know that the mass is homogeneous.
• We can measure empty and full.

A building like DOMUS I believe it own gravity is max 20 µGal, uncertainties is 8 µGal, + you have diffrent noise and several other uncertainties.

I have never seen any numeric prediction from you for the results of the Domus Vista experiment.

My friend I do not know the excact weight on that building
Do you.

This is what is predicted, (based on a assumed weight) and this is enough.

The killer point is:

Crap
Central measurements haven’t been executed.
This is exactly described here :
http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5762615&postcount=270

Bjarne, I still don't understand what central gravity is.

So fare our understanding of gravity is; curvature of space.
Space is not just nothing. Space (must) have some kind of consistency / density.
Matter (the whole way towards a bodies centre) gradually consumes / contract space.
Hence, towards the centre of a body space is therefore gradually stretching until the centre is reach.
The cause of ADG is that matter consumes space, and hence that space between two bodies is stronger consumed, the result is bodies approach each other.
CENTRAL GRAVITY = understanding of the point mention above.

So where do you draw the line between a homogeneous mass and a collection of elementary particles?

The line is always there, and it is possible to calculate.
Let say you put fifth 75 ton tanks in a ring, and measure ADG in the middle.
Now you will have “opposition” - a body in the centre will be attracted to in the 5 direction you have the tanks.
BUT in the middle of the ring of tanks a new central global gravitational (GF) field will weakly build up too, because even tough you have a “ring of GF opposition”, - you are also encircled / trapped central space, and hence affecting that area stronger.

Depending on how much you are encircling central space, (how many tanks you add to the ring) the global central GF will increase its strength.
This is shortly the “secret” of so called dark matter.
It’s in fact only to understand the simple stretching nature of space/gravity.

Do you think that if I calculate the gravitational field using every point particle in the Earth, it'll be different than if I just used the total mass of the Earth in a homogeneous blob?

Every stone on Earth contributes the Earth’s global GF, because every strong contributes to encircle the global central space, also even though the stone on short range is in opposition to the Earth GF.

This is why space must continue to stretch, in order to feed every stone and every atom with space, the whole way to the centre.

So what causes gravity?
Gravity is caused by space-hungry matter wherever that matter is .. the rest is self explaining

 

[Belz...]

Space-hungry matter ?

How does that work ?

 

[Bjarne]

Space-hungry matter ?

How does that work ?

It is 99, 99999999% similar to grass hungry cows, since grass in fact is 99, 99999999% space (o,000000000001% is energy)

( And you know the cows is also mainly space).

 

[Reality Check]

http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Container.jpg

According to the container experiment it is easy to calculate its on GF to 104 µGal (not 104 mGal)

Show your calculation.

A building like DOMUS I believe it own gravity is max 20 µGal, uncertainties is 8 µGal, + you have diffrent noise and several other uncertainties.

Show your calculation.

My friend I do not know the excact weight on that building
Do you.
http://www.science27.com/images/Kruwe.jpg
This is what is predicted, (based on a assumed weight) and this is enough.

What assumed weight?
Show your calculation.

Look at your graph: Thank you for confirming that the Domus Vista experiment destroys "central gravity"!

Crap
Central measurements haven’t been executed.

Crap
Central measurements have been executed. The Domus Vista experiment is the experiment that you designed to test "central gravity". The fact that you designed and executed a experiment that does not support "central gravity" is the point.

So fare our understanding of gravity is; curvature of space.
Space is not just nothing. Space (must) have some kind of consistency / density.

Wrong.
Space is not "nothing" - it is the location of everything that there can be.
Only an idiot would say that is has a density. It is what is used to assign a volume and so density to something existing in space.
Alternately: If you are dumb enough to divide space by space (the "density" of space) then you always get the number 1.

So what causes gravity?
Gravity is caused by space-hungry matter wherever that matter is .. the rest is self explaining

Gibberish .. the rest is self explaining.