Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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If the space expands here, - and matter not, - the distance to for example the Moon and the Sun should increase. - This doesn’t seem to be the case..
Denying this just demonstrate how ignorant and silly this discussion begins to be
Only someone with no knowledge physics woud say this.
But then you are, e.g.
Crap
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Do you mean feces? Then you are really deluded. Gravity is not crap.
Or is this a comment on your ignorance that gravity is a force that keeps things moving in orbits?

Contradiction.
No.
EM and nuclear forces make sure the matter does not expand in exactly the same way that gravity keeps objects in their orbits.

"One say" bla bla bla
Nothing more than bla bla bla…
"One say" ignorance ignorance ignorance
Nothing more than ignorance ignorance ignorance …
 
Imagine two cows bound together by a length of rope 10m long.

Now expand the field they are standing in, so that the ground beneath the cows' feet seems to be moving outwards from the pair of cows.

This creates an outwards force on the cows; HOWEVER, the force due to the rope tying them together is much greater. The cows now stay the same distance apart with the rope held taught, while the field expands beneath them.

That is what is going on with the Moon-Earth system. The cows are the Moon and the Earth, the rope is the gravitational force, and the expanding field is expanding space.

It's easy to accept such fix "solution" ...
But it is not science, simply because;

1.) We don’t know the nature or "force" of the expanding Universe.
2.) We don't know the underlying cause of gravity and nothing about what does curved space really mean.
3.) We don't know how the expanding Universe and gravity are connected.
4.) We don't know if the expanding universe is stronger than gravity.

In other words, you have two "animals" …..
But in fact
1.) You don’t know what a cow really is
2.) You don’t know if there really is a rope between the cow and the second animal
3.) And you don't know if the one cow is stronger (more heavy) than the other animal, or if it is a elephant or a mouse..
4.) Hence you also don't know if the second animal is stronger than the cow mentioned in point1.

So you can’t predict a result so long you have 4 unknown factors, but only bla bla bla and nothing more than this…
 
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It's easy to accept such fix "solution" ...
But it is not science, simply because;

1.) We don’t know the nature or "force" of the expanding Universe.
2.) We don't know the underlying cause of gravity and nothing about what does curved space really mean.
3.) We don't know how the expanding Universe and gravity are connected.
4.) We don't know if the expanding universe is stronger than gravity.

In other words, you have two "animals" …..
But in fact
1.) You don’t know what a cow really is
2.) You don’t know if there really is a rope between the cow and the second animal
3.) And you don't know if the one cow is stronger (more heavy) than the other animal, or if it is a elephant or a mouse..
4.) Hence you also don't know if the second animal is stronger than the cow mentioned in point1.

So you can’t predict a result so long you have 4 unknown factors, but only bla bla bla and nothing more than this…

That is so off-the-wall,it's not even wrong.My gast is absolutely flabbered.
 
But in fact
1.) You don’t know what a cow really is
2.) You don’t know if there really is a rope between the cow and the second animal
3.) And you don't know if the one cow is stronger (more heavy) than the other animal, or if it is a elephant or a mouse..
4.) Hence you also don't know if the second animal is stronger than the cow mentioned in point1.

So you can’t predict a result so long you have 4 unknown factors, but only bla bla bla and nothing more than this…

:dl:
 
Do you really BELIEVE, there was not even space first and then space and energy born hokkus pokkus?

You are really religion people, i mean really!

The problem with you guys is that you don't even make the slightest effort to understand what we "believe" before you start "arguing".

There is people who say, Jeesus born with out dad, you know? Virginal way?

Well, thats funny, but you say, hole Universe born from nothing?

Not "nothing". Please educate yourself.
 
I suggest we simply leave it to Bjarne and Pixie to argue. That ought to be interesting ...

A battle of wits between two unarmed men. :roll:

Hans
 
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I have promised to come back when the measurement result of the DOMUS VISTA Project was done. - Here we are.

INTRODUCTION
It should be possible to measure whether our understanding of CENTRAL gravity is correct.

Even though the prevailing understanding is build on Human logic, and sounds as rational thinking, we can't be sure that this reflect the "logic" of nature / space.
I mean how logical was it 100 years ago that space deforms. (?)

If matter consumes space and hence bends space toward matter, - space must "stretch" towards an object. Hence we are talking about the exact same property of space responsible for the expansion of the Universe. This would have huge consequences. For example "dark matter" would be nothing but naturally central gravity.

Our "logic" tell us that; Acceleration Due to Gravity (ADG) must be a result of how much mass there is under the measurement point. This could be wrong.

The way gravity (ADG) works could be completely different, and rather illogical. Space could very well continue to stretch the whole way towards the centre of a body. The reason could be that central space is trapped by encircled "space-consuming" matter.

To know which of these theories that is correct, it is necessary to measure CENTRAL gravity and compare the result from result below and above the central area.

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There idea was systematically to measure a buildings gravity above and below the gravity centre, (see the red line in the image) and that's why Denmark's biggest resistance building originally was the target.

But the problem was that the only place where identical systematically measurement was possible (in that building) was in the southern end of the building, at the staircase. (see the green line).

Space.jpg

To easy understand the buildings own gravity, try to imaging the building was floating in space.

Measurement on the one side of the building (maximum 5 meter inside) is off course only superficial.

Such can compared with gravity measurement near the surface of Earth.

In other words these measurements can't be used to confirm any of the theories.

However these systematically measurement was executed, - and was useful to learn from, to prepare for the final project.

The result of the measurement can be seen here

The Final Project
Experience shows that that building can't be used to confirm the new theory.

Data are too inaccurate. It's too much noise and too many unknown factors that play a role, and the building is simply to light, compared to the gravitational noise etc.

A heavy / solid homogeneous and well define object must be the target instead.

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The next project is to build a container that measure 5 meter in diameter and 5 meter height. This should be enough to confirm which theory is the right one.

(Pi * 2.5 * 2.5 * 5) = 98.125 M3 approximated 98125 KG

The containers own gravity should hence be - MG/r^2 >> 98125 KG * 6,67E-11 / 2.5^2 = 104 mGal

This should be enough to show that the containers own CENTRAL gravity not is zero.

Measurement can be done as follows;
1.) Below the container (central) from a tunnel.
2.) Right below the centre and above the centre (in a tunnel)
3.) From 2 places of the side
4.) On the top (central) of the container.

My opinion is that science must if possible be built on objective observation and measurement, not on believe also not on "Human Logic".

In this case it is easy to prove.
It is unacceptable that is today still not is done.

Any support & suggestions are welcome.
 
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My opinion is that science must if possible be built on objective observation and measurement, not on believe also not on "Human Logic".

In this case it is easy to prove.
It is unacceptable that is today still not is done.

Forget buildings - it's possible to measure gravitational forces between gram or milligram masses at distances down to well under a millimeter:

http://www.stanford.edu/~aharonk/gravity.html
http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/experiments/experiments.html

None of those experiments (alone with many others) have detected any deviations from Newtonian gravity.
 
This only demonstrate you have understood nothing at all, what this thread is about.

That post wasn't for you, Bjarne. You haven't got the slightest clue about anything, least of all gravity.

It was for the benefit of anyone reading this thread that might be interested in how sensitive tests of gravity actually are, and what the issues of current experimental interest actually are.
 
That post wasn't for you, Bjarne. You haven't got the slightest clue about anything, least of all gravity.

It was for the benefit of anyone reading this thread that might be interested in how sensitive tests of gravity actually are, and what the issues of current experimental interest actually are.
And for those the point is CENTRAL gravity......
 
Joke

There was two raligious people and other one say, look, god make a universe. Theres coming one science people, who ask, can you make a science test with god, can you proof, there is a god?

Well, they cant proof god!

There was two science people and other one say, look, old light it is redshifting, because space expanding. There is coming one dude from Savo and ask, hey you, can you make a science test with expanding space or can you proof, there is expanding space?

Well, they believe, they allready proof expanding space, but no, they never can proof expanding space, because they cant make any science test with expanding space.

Maybe god get old light redshifting, maybe it is expanding space.

Maybe photons emit energy and maybe old light it is redshifting that way or that why!?

If it, we can proof that with science experiement!

Yes, thats true, we can make a test with light, you know!
Tahts why onesimpleprinciple is science!

Expanding space is not science, it is religion!

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And for those the point is CENTRAL gravity......

Gibberish - there is no such thing.

If you mean the gravitational force at the center of some symmetrical arrangement of mass, that's one (of many) things the experiments I linked to test extremely precisely.

But of course so do countless other experiments. Nothing about either Newtonian or Einsteinian gravity would make any sense at all if it weren't true that there is zero gravitational force at the center of a spherical distribution of mass (for example). That's a basic and fundamental characteristic of those theories (or any theories remotely like them), one that cannot be changed without changing them completely and utterly. And those theories have been tested over a huge range of scales, locations, time-scales, materials, and densities.
 
Gibberish - there is no such thing.

If you mean the gravitational force at the center of some symmetrical arrangement of mass, that's one (of many) things the experiments I linked to test extremely precisely.

Central gravity measurement has never been done.
This is tooooo bad
We can spend 50 billion USD on tracing a fantasy higgs, but not 10.000 USD on serious to understand central gravity.
 
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Central gravity measurement of gravity has never been done.
This is tooooo bad
We can spend 50 billion USD on trace a fantasy higgs, but not 10.000 USD on serious to understand central gravity.

And you're never going to understand why that is, Bjarne. There must be many things about life and the world you find incomprehensible. I can only imagine how frustrating that must be for you.

Hint - the first step is to recognize that you might be wrong about some things, and that other people may actually understand them better.
 
And you're never going to understand why that is, Bjarne. There must be many things about life and the world you find incomprehensible. I can only imagine how frustrating that must be for you.

Hint - the first step is to recognize that you might be wrong about some things, and that other people may actually understand them better.

Just bla bla
 
Forget buildings - it's possible to measure gravitational forces between gram or milligram masses at distances down to well under a millimeter:

http://www.stanford.edu/~aharonk/gravity.html
http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/experiments/experiments.html

None of those experiments (alone with many others) have detected any deviations from Newtonian gravity.

Interesting, and quite different from the Domus Vista in scale and accuracy.

I am not sure if this Gabriel Strykowski who made the measurements did it because no one else had done it, to test his instruments, or for pay and nice words.

There is no mentioning of Bjarnes theories* and the result look consistent with my knowledge, that is, gravity drops a little bit as they get further up.

*Did you mention them to him at all?

Any support & suggestions are welcome.
How about you look through sol invictus's links, and go find another theory.
 
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