Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[sol invictus]

[qimg]http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Container.jpg[/qimg]

According to the container experiment it is easy to calculate its on GF to 104 µGal (not 104 mGal)

In that case the experiment/measurement is completely controlled.

• We can eliminate a lot of G-noise
• We will know how much mass we have
• We will know that the mass is homogeneous.
• We can measure empty and full.

A building like DOMUS I believe it own gravity is max 20 µGal, uncertainties is 8 µGal, + you have diffrent noise and several other uncertainties.


My friend I do not know the excact weight on that building
Do you.
[qimg]http://www.science27.com/images/Kruwe.jpg[/qimg]
This is what is predicted, (based on a assumed weight) and this is enough.



Crap
Central measurements haven’t been executed.
This is exactly described here :
http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5762615&postcount=270



So fare our understanding of gravity is; curvature of space.
Space is not just nothing. Space (must) have some kind of consistency / density.
Matter (the whole way towards a bodies centre) gradually consumes / contract space.
Hence, towards the centre of a body space is therefore gradually stretching until the centre is reach.
The cause of ADG is that matter consumes space, and hence that space between two bodies is stronger consumed, the result is bodies approach each other.
CENTRAL GRAVITY = understanding of the point mention above.


The line is always there, and it is possible to calculate.
Let say you put fifth 75 ton tanks in a ring, and measure ADG in the middle.
Now you will have “opposition” - a body in the centre will be attracted to in the 5 direction you have the tanks.
BUT in the middle of the ring of tanks a new central global gravitational (GF) field will weakly build up too, because even tough you have a “ring of GF opposition”, - you are also encircled / trapped central space, and hence affecting that area stronger.

Depending on how much you are encircling central space, (how many tanks you add to the ring) the global central GF will increase its strength.
This is shortly the “secret” of so called dark matter.
It’s in fact only to understand the simple stretching nature of space/gravity.



Every stone on Earth contributes the Earth’s global GF, because every strong contributes to encircle the global central space, also even though the stone on short range is in opposition to the Earth GF.

This is why space must continue to stretch, in order to feed every stone and every atom with space, the whole way to the centre.

So what causes gravity?
Gravity is caused by space-hungry matter wherever that matter is .. the rest is self explaining

The experiments I linked to a few posts back rule out your theory by many, many, many sigma. To the extent that it's coherent or well-defined at all, it's totally inconsistent with just about every experiment ever done involving gravity.

 

[Bjarne]

Show your calculation.

This have been done 17 times
Are all people down under ”soooooo heavy” reading..
Especially for you RC, my best friend.
Here it is again.

http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm

The next project is to built a container that measure 5 meter in diameter and 5 meter height. This should be enough to confirm which theory is the right one.
(Pi * 2.5 * 2.5 * 5) = 98.125 M3 approximated 98125 KG
The containers own gravity should hence be - MG/r^2 >> 98125 KG * 6,67E-11 / 2.5^2 = 104 µGal
This should be enough to show that the containers own CENTRAL gravity not is zero.
My opinion is that science must if possible be built on objective observation and measurement, not on believe also not on "human Logic".
In this case it is easy to prove. It is unacceptable that is today still not is done. Any support is welcome.

What assumed weight?

Estimated weight

Show your calculation.

This is one of the problems
I don’t know the buildings weight
Have no idea.
But I have estimated the buildings own gravity (now) result in 20 µGal
Could be less, could be more.
What do you think, and how do you “calculate that”

Crap
Central have been executed.
The Domus Vista experiment is the experiment that you designed to test "central gravity".
The fact that you designed and executed a experiment that does not support "central gravity" is the point.

Crap
Systematically central gravity measurement have never been done.
How many times must I repeat?

There idea was systematically to measure a buildings gravity above and below the gravity centre, (see the red line in the image) and that's why Denmark's biggest resistance building originally was the target.

But the problem was that the only place where identical systematically measurement was possible (in that building) was in the southern end of the building, at the staircase. (see the green line).

Space is not "nothing" - it is the location of everything that there can be.
Only an idiot would say that is has a density.

How can the (quote) “the location of everything that there can be” - curve and stretch, if it not was because of space was "flexible".. (!) (?)
Alternately: If you are dumb enough to divide location by location (the "location" of space) then you always get the number bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla …

 

[Bjarne]

Look at the elevator tower at the roof.
The elevators are 5 to 7 meters inside the South-Eastern part of the building
The stairway is only about 2 meters inside the building.
Here we did all the measurement.

We did only superficially measurement.
NOT central measurement according to the plan.

 

[erlando]

It is 99, 99999999% similar to grass hungry cows, since grass in fact is 99, 99999999% space (o,000000000001% is energy)

( And you know the cows is also mainly space).

Again with the cows...

 

[erlando]

Bjarne, why do you think it is that CERN uses $5 billion+ to build LHC to look for causes of gravity when they according to you could spend $10,000 on a simple experiment and obtain the same results?

Could it be that they have given it some thought and maybe have some hypothesises that justify spending $5 billion? Or do you think that they are just big boys wanting to play with an expensive toy?

 

[dafydd]

This is one of the problems
I don’t know the buildings weight
Have no idea.
But I have estimated the buildings own gravity (now) result in 20 µGal
Could be less, could be more.
What do you think, and how do you “calculate that”

Take a maths course and find out how to do it.

 

[Reality Check]

This have been done 17 times
Are all people down under ”soooooo heavy” reading..
Especially for you RC, my best friend.
Here it is again.

http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm

This have been asked 17 times and not answered 17 times.
Are all people up over ”soooooo heavy” reading..
Especially for you Bjarne, my best friend.

There are no calculations shown on that page. There are numbers that you have made up somehow.
Please show the calculations that you did to make up these numbers.

For example: Here is the number 2. The calculation that reulted in the number 2 whas adding 1 and 1. In full: 1 + 1 = 2.

Crap
Systematically central gravity measurement have never been done.
How many times must I repeat?

Crap.
Systematically central gravity measurement has been done once.


You have been posting that the Domus Vista experiment would be a test of "central gravity". You now need to show that "central gravity" predictions match those measurements in that stairwell (which look like what is predicted for Newtonian gravity). To do this you need to

1. Give the equations of "central gravity".
2. State the values that you pluigged into that equations.
3. Show the results and compare them to the measurements.

Space is not "nothing" - it is the location of everything that there can be.
Only an idiot would say that is has a density.

How can the (quote) “the location of everything that there can be” - curve and stretch, if it not was because of space was "flexible".. (!) (?)
Alternately: If you are dumb enough to divide location by location (the "location" of space) then you always get the number bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla …
[/quote]
It curves and stretches beause a "straight line" (a geodesic) in a curved and/or stretched space is curved and/or stretched in comparison to a geodesic in flat space.
Space is "flexible". That does not mean that it is a rubber sheet with a density.

Alternately: If you are dumb enough to divide a volume by the same volume (the "density" of space according to you) then you always get the number 1.
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla …

 

[CaveDave]

Full marks for recognising the Captain.Bjarne does not realise how unintentionally entertaining he is,and that makes it all the funnier.Talk about a lack of self-knowledge!

You got that right!

Back in the day, I had a tendency to orbit around the Ed Sanders (Fugs), Frank Zappa (Mothers of Invention), et al axis. Guess I'm just weird.

Cheers,

Dave

 

[Belz...]

It is 99, 99999999% similar to grass hungry cows, since grass in fact is 99, 99999999% space (o,000000000001% is energy)

( And you know the cows is also mainly space).

That doesn't answer my question, Bjarne. Like your previous answers to my previous question.

If you are unable to provide a clear definition to the terms you are using, I'm forced to conclude that you have no idea what you're talking about, and therefore are not worth my time and effort trying to understand you.

Of course, I'd like to understand you, but at this point it seems impossible without some additional effort on your part.

 

[Belz...]

This have been done 17 times
Are all people down under ”soooooo heavy” reading..
Especially for you RC, my best friend.
Here it is again.

http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm

[qimg]http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Container.jpg[/qimg]
The next project is to built a container that measure 5 meter in diameter and 5 meter height. This should be enough to confirm which theory is the right one.
(Pi * 2.5 * 2.5 * 5) = 98.125 M3 approximated 98125 KG
The containers own gravity should hence be - MG/r^2 >> 98125 KG * 6,67E-11 / 2.5^2 = 104 µGal
This should be enough to show that the containers own CENTRAL gravity not is zero.

And how does that help us ?

How can the (quote) “the location of everything that there can be” - curve and stretch, if it not was because of space was "flexible".. (!) (?)

My opinion is that science must if possible be built on objective observation and measurement, not on believe also not on "human Logic".

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne, why do you think it is that CERN uses $5 billion+ to build LHC to look for causes of gravity when they according to you could spend $10,000 on a simple experiment and obtain the same results?

You mean $ 10 billion.
Why ?
I don’t know why people are so matter fixated?

Could it be that they have given it some thought and maybe have some hypothesises that justify spending $5 billion?

The will NEVER trace the fantasy higgs, It doesn’t exist.,

Or do you think that they are just big boys wanting to play with an expensive toy?

I don’t think. I am sure.

There are no calculations shown on that page.

Here it is

Step 1 http://www.glassesshop.com/
Step 2 Read below >>
Step 3 http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm
Step 4 Read below >>

The next project is to built a container that measure 5 meter in diameter and 5 meter height. This should be enough to confirm which theory is the right one.
(Pi * 2.5 * 2.5 * 5) = 98.125 M3 approximated 98125 KG
The containers own gravity should hence be - MG/r^2 >> 98125 KG * 6,67E-11 / 2.5^2 = 104 µGal
This should be enough to show that the containers own CENTRAL gravity not is zero.

Crap.
Systematically central gravity measurement has been done once.

Step 1 http://www.wikihow.com/Break-up-Concrete
Step 2 http://www.glassesshop.com/
Step 3 Read>>

Look at the elevator tower at the roof.
The elevators are 5 to 7 meters inside the South-Eastern part of the building
The stairway is only about 2 meters inside the building.
Here we did all the measurement.

We did only superficially measurement.
NOT central measurement according to the plan.

 

[erlando]

Bjarne, repetition does not a theory make.

You still haven't produced any predictive math. All you produce is .

 

[dafydd]

The will NEVER trace the fantasy higgs, It doesn’t exist.

What are you going to say and do when they find it?

 

[Reality Check]

Step 1 http://www.glassesshop.com/
Step 2 Read below >>
Step 3 http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm
Step 4 Read below >>

Step 1 http://www.glassesshop.com/
Step 2 Read below >>
Step 3 http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Index.htm
Step 4 Understand that there are no calculations of the predicted ADG from your "central gravity" idea on that page.

(Pi * 2.5 * 2.5 * 5) = 98.125 M3 approximated 98125 KG
The containers own gravity should hence be - MG/r^2 >> 98125 KG *

Calculation of the volume of a cylinder
Now:
Step 1 http://www.wikihow.com/Break-up-Concrete
Step 2 http://www.glassesshop.com/
Step 3 Understand that there are no calculations of the predicted ADG from your "central gravity" idea on that page.

 

[dafydd]

I don’t think.

That is about the only true thing that you have ever said here.

 

[Bjarne]

Step 4 Understand that there are no calculations of the predicted ADG from your "central gravity" idea on that page.

Because the buildings own gravity is unknown, and hence only estimated.

Step 3 Understand that there are no calculations of the predicted ADG from your "central gravity" idea on that page.

No new math is necessary.
Only to understand what lies behind that we already have.
This is the point.

 

[Belz...]

I don’t think. I am sure.

Ignorance breeds confidence.

 

[Aitch]

Are you sure about that?

 

[dafydd]

Because the buildings own gravity is unknown, and hence only estimated.



No new math is necessary.
Only to understand what lies behind that we already have.
This is the point.

You don't even know the old math,so how can you judge?

 

[Reality Check]

Because the buildings own gravity is unknown, and hence only estimated.

Are you that ignorant of science?
Estimates are used all the time in science. That is one purpose of error bars!
Make an estimate of the building's mass. That will give the "buildings own gravity" Add a generous allowance for the error and do the "central gravity" calculations for your predictions of the measurements in the Domus Vista experiment as executed.

No new math is necessary.
Only to understand what lies behind that we already have.
This is the point.

New math is needed. If you have no new math then you have Newtonian gravity.
This is the point.