Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

Estimates are used all the time in science.

I have done that and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is below 20 µGal. Could be much more or much less.
If this is correct it is too much, because measurement-uncertainties, + G-noise + unknown factors such as mass distribution together can be more.

If you have no new math then you have Newtonian gravity.
This is the point.

Agree.

If ADG must be stable inside a homogeneous mass, there must be proportionality between the inner total gravity potential and the area affected.
And there is......


Size 1
Square 2m x 2m = 4 m2
ADG = 100m/s^2
Total gravity potential 100m/s^2 * 4m2 = Factor 400


Size 2 (double)
Square 4m x 4m = 16 m2
ADG = 25 m/s^2
Total gravity potential 25 m/s^2 * 16m2 = Factor 400

Pi is not used, - it "should" have been. Hope you can live without it.

Outside a mass ADG is no longer stable but is decreasing proportional 1 : 1 with the square increase.

This graph shows, that each time the square increases 75%, then the
Acceleration due to gravity decreases 75%

Really understanding this simple math is all what is necessary, since it is also a broad hint telling you the cause of gravity.

I have ask you before WHY do you have the proportion 1 : 1 between (outer) area affected - and gravity decrease ?

It is naturally and can't be more naturally...

My friend this reflect a law of nature you MUST understand.
Math can do no more, now it is only up yours understanding to get the final point.

New math is needed.

Sometimes understanding is more important than math.
And sometimes "new math" is impossible, hence only cow logic ....(and measurement of central gravity) is the only way out of the darknes (and higgs fantasy madness)
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[Reality Check]

I have done that and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is below 20 µGal. Could be much more or much less.
If this is correct it is too much, because measurement-uncertainties, + G-noise + unknown factors such as mass distribution together can be more.

I have done that and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is above 20 mGal. Could be much more or much less.
Like you I will keep my calculations secret.

This invalidates "central" gravity".

 

[Bjarne]

I have done that and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is above 20 mGal. Could be much more or much less.
Like you I will keep my calculations secret.

This invalidates "central" gravity".

Not before you have measured CENTRAL gravity".

 

[Reality Check]

Not before you have measured CENTRAL gravity".

The Domus Vista experiment measured "CENTRAL gravity"
I have done the "calculations for central gravity" and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is above 20 mGal. Could be much more or much less.
Like you I will keep my calculations secret.
Thus the Domus Vista experiment invalidates "central gravity".

 

[Bjarne]

The Domus Vista experiment measured "CENTRAL gravity"
I have done the "calculations for central gravity" and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is above 20 mGal. Could be much more or much less.
Like you I will keep my calculations secret.
Thus the Domus Vista experiment invalidates "central gravity".

It was not

It’s the same stupid nonsense to claim that all people in New York live exactly in centre.

 

[Aitch]

Stop shouting, the pair of you!

 

[Bjarne]

I have done that and come to the conclusion that the buildings own max gravity is above 20 mGal

Completely Nonsense
Horizontal you have 30 * 20 cm concrete = all together 6 meter (height) horisontical compact concrete

• The vertical (length) of the building is about 70 Meter
• Width of the building about 20 meter
• Horizontal concrete = 6 meter

H * W * L
Compact concrete roughtly = 10.000.000 Kg.
+ Vertical concrete etc estimated to 6.000.000 KG

Total = 16.000.000 Kg

Gravity
16.000.000 * 6.67E-11 / 52^2 = 0.000000395 m/s^2 or 39,5 µGal

So your estimation is (200mGal) - this is 500 times that much ....(shame)

Now look at the deviation between floor 28/29 compared to 29/30 – this is 20 µGal

http://www.science27.com/forum/skema2.htm

I can NOT explain this exactly you can’t either ( we off course can blame measurement-uncertainties, G-noise unknown mass-factors etc.) - but this is a problem that we don't know.

Such relative big uncertainties are unacceptable.

Why ?

Because you expect that centrally in that building gravity shall gradually decrease (about) 39,5 µGal / 15 floors = 2.6 µGal per floor.
BUT the problem is that disturbings (mention above) can cause 7 times that value.

Did I finally got through the concrete?

 

[Belz...]

[qimg]http://www.science27.com/english/Measurement/Box.jpg[/qimg]

It was not

It’s the same stupid nonsense to claim that all people in New York live exactly in centre.

I still don't know what central gravity is.

 

[dafydd]

I still don't know what central gravity is.

Nobody does,it only exists in Bjarne's fevered imagination.

 

[Reality Check]

It’s the same stupid nonsense to claim that all people in New York live exactly in centre.

It was.

It is idoitic to say that "central gravity" only exists and can be measured on a vertical line exactly through the center of Domus Vista.
Real gravity is not restricted to a line that you make up. It has no bounds.
"Central gravity" can also be measured on a line offset from the center.

The fact that it was not measured says that your experiments failed to measure central gravity This of course stems for the fatal flaw in your idea: It cannot predict anything.

 

[Bjarne]

I still don't know what central gravity is

According to the prevailing theory an objects own gravity (at the surface) will gradually decrease (inside the body) the closer to the centre you get. The more you approach the centre the more Acceleration Due to Gravity (ADG) “should” decrease.
This is a 300 years old believe, ´never proven. (Also not at the DOMUS project)
And well, - yes it sound logical, since according to our logic it sounds sensible that the strength of gravity “should” gradually build up from the centre, - the more mass the more gravity.

BUT
If you allow you self to assume that: Matter contract / consumes space and this is why it deforms, - that old “picture” (as a consequence) must turn upside down.
Because space towards a homogenous mass must then continue to stretch the whole way to the centre simply to be able to fetch all the matter equally on its way… .
Then it make no sense that gravity “build up” It is rather a picture that space must reach all the matter and hence gradually stretch because it is consumed.
This mean ADG (in a homogenous mass) must be stable from the surface and until the centre.

Both the prevailing and the new theory states what happen towards a bodies centre, - and this is what I call CENTRAL GRAVITY.

It is idiotic to say that "central gravity" only exists and can be measured on a vertical line exactly through the center of Domus Vista.

And no idiot have ever claimed the opposite, but only that the values /measurement that was executed reflect superficially values rather than systematically central measurements.

Real gravity is not restricted to a line that you make up.
It has no bounds.
"Central gravity" can also be measured on a line offset from the center..

Cows knows that too.

The fact that it was not measured says that your experiments failed to measure central gravity

Finally you got the point.
But still I wonder if this message really also got through the concrete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_LayjYt3M

This of course stems for the fatal flaw in your idea: It cannot predict anything.

Off course it can, the mass must be more compact and less G-noise, it is simple to do and the cost is 600.000 times cheaper than tracing a fantasy higgs that only exists in the brains of “some” scientist and mainly those that never had had a hammer in their hands.

 

[dafydd]

According to the prevailing theory an objects own gravity (at the surface) will gradually decrease (inside the body) the closer to the centre you get. The more you approach the centre the more Acceleration Due to Gravity (ADG) “should” decrease.
This is a 300 years old believe, ´never proven. (Also not at the DOMUS project)
And well, - yes it sound logical, since according to our logic it sounds sensible that the strength of gravity “should” gradually build up from the centre, - the more mass the more gravity.

BUT
If you allow you self to assume that: Matter contract / consumes space and this is why it deforms, - that old “picture” (as a consequence) must turn upside down.
Because space towards a homogenous mass must then continue to stretch the whole way to the centre simply to be able to fetch all the matter equally on its way… .
Then it make no sense that gravity “build up” It is rather a picture that space must reach all the matter and hence gradually stretch because it is consumed.
This mean ADG (in a homogenous mass) must be stable from the surface and until the centre.

Both the prevailing and the new theory states what happen towards a bodies centre, - and this is what I call CENTRAL GRAVITY.



[qimg]http://www.science27.com/forum/idiot.jpg[/qimg]

And no idiot have ever claimed the opposite, but only that the values /measurement that was executed reflect superficially values rather than systematically central measurements.


Cows knows that too.


Finally you got the point.
But still I wonder if this message really also got through the concrete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_LayjYt3M


Off course it can, the mass must be more compact and less G-noise, it is simple to do and the cost is 600.000 times cheaper than tracing a fantasy higgs that only exists in the brains of “some” scientist and mainly those that never had had a hammer in their hands.

We'll get back to the Higgs boson after they discover it.What have hammers got to do with anything? Do you really think that the funding for the LHC was provided because a few scientists had a fantasy? If the Higgs boson does not exist,what gives matter mass,and please do not mention cows.

 

[Bjarne]

We'll get back to the Higgs boson after they discover it.

It will never happen.

What have hammers got to do with anything?

To many are too theoretical, and many of these without earth connection.

Do you really think that the funding for the LHC was provided because a few scientists had a fantasy?

Fantasy is necessary, but not authoritarian controlled imagination/fantasy.
Off course fantasy is not science, also not because the majority believes in this or that. .

If the Higgs boson does not exist, what gives matter mass, and please do not mention cows.

First, try to understand what "mass" is.
And next what matter does to space.
“Mass” is a property first at all to space. This is step 1.
Don’t build a 10 stored house without being sure the foundation is all right.
First at all we should rather ask, can the know elementary particles affect/deforms space?
Before we have that answer is not necessary to invent fantasy particles.
The higgs is in fact desperate fumbling in completely darkness.

The "higgs" express that we want nature to act in a way we already can understand, and only reveals obstinate stiff-necked locked thinking.
We are too inflexible, and the fantasy/imagination too single tracked (and controlled).
The reaction (for example) on my thread clearly shows how holly fanatic single tracked and intolerant “science” is.
It is many times much worse than the worlds most brained washed religions.

We are too "matter fixated" - that’s a big problem.
And much worse, - if some should protest, - they are automatically almost “raving mad” either because they doubt the majority decided creeds, and especially when thinking new thought.

There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.
-- J. Robert Oppenheimer

 

[dafydd]

It will never happen.


To many are too theoretical, and many of these without earth connection.


Fantasy is necessary, but not authoritarian controlled imagination/fantasy.
Off course fantasy is not science, also not because the majority believes in this or that. .


First, try to understand what "mass" is.
And next what matter does to space.
“Mass” is a property first at all to space. This is step 1.
Don’t build a 10 stored house without being sure the foundation is all right.
First at all we should rather ask, can the know elementary particles affect/deforms space?
Before we have that answer is not necessary to invent fantasy particles.
The higgs is in fact desperate fumbling in completely darkness.

The "higgs" express that we want nature to act in a way we already can understand, and only reveals obstinate stiff-necked locked thinking.
We are too inflexible, and the fantasy/imagination too single tracked (and controlled).
The reaction (for example) on my thread clearly shows how holly fanatic single tracked and intolerant “science” is.
It is many times much worse than the worlds most brained washed religions.

We are too "matter fixated" - that’s a big problem.
And much worse, - if some should protest, - they are automatically almost “raving mad” either because they doubt the majority decided creeds, and especially when thinking new thought.

There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.
-- J. Robert Oppenheimer

I'll bet you that they find the Higgs boson.How much? Note the highlighted words above.Oppenheimer did not mean that you can make up crap as you go along.Why do you ignore people here who try to correct your errors?

 

[Bjarne]

I'll bet you that they find the Higgs boson.
How much?

All you have

Note the highlighted words above.
Oppenheimer did not mean that you can make up crap as you go along.

You have no right to call my thought crap.
Of course these it will be proven.

Why do you ignore people here who try to correct your errors?

Which error?

 

[Blue Mountain]

Bjarne, why do you think the LHC will not find the Higgs boson? If your answer is, "Because it does not exist," please show us the flaws in the Standard Model that predict it does, and with enough certainty that Europe is willing to spend several billion Euros to find it.

 

[dafydd]

All you have


You have no right to call my thought crap.
Of course these it will be proven.

Which error?

Your thoughts will never be proven,they have nothing to do with real physics.As for your errors,there is not enough space here to list them. I own my own house,what do you have?

 

[steenkh]

Which error?

Reality Check has made quite a list. You could start addressing those!

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne, why do you think the LHC will not find the Higgs boson? .

Because I am right.
The cause of gravity is that matter consumes space and hence “thinning” stretching the “density” increasingly towrads a body.
Think about the simple truth that a particle affects the whole Universe.
There is only one way this is possible and this is when that particle can affect the “density” of space, simply by consuming space. In no other way a particle can reach/affect "the edge of the Universe”
Particles doesn’t need “higgs”.

Furthermore the Pound-Rebka experiment in fact proves that this is what happens, but we have chosen to close our eyes for reality.

Read how simple this in fact is http://www.science27.com/english/quantum_physics.html

And there is a lot more that point to the excact same simply direction, - dark matter, what dark enegy really is etc......

I am willing to bet, just tell me how much
We will do it binding..so not just bla bla bla OK ?

and with enough certainty that Europe is willing to spend several billion Euros to find it

Simply logic will soon shake the world when it soon is proven that central gravity do not decrease towards the center, BUT still a lot will fight for their fantasies so long as possible, like nothing had happen.
The world want to be deluded...

 

[dafydd]

Because I am right.
The cause of gravity is that matter consumes space and hence “thinning” stretching the “density” increasingly towrads a body.
Think about the simple truth that a particle affects the whole Universe.
There is only one way this is possible and this is when that particle can affect the “density” of space, simply by consuming space. In no other way a particle can reach/affect "the edge of the Universe”
Particles doesn’t need “higgs”.

Furthermore the Pound-Rebka experiment in fact proves that this is what happens, but we have chosen to close our eyes for reality.

Read how simple this in fact is http://www.science27.com/english/quantum_physics.html

And there is a lot more that point to the excact same simply direction, - dark matter, what dark enegy really is etc......

I am willing to bet, just tell me how much
We will do it binding..so not just bla bla bla OK ?



Simply logic will soon shake the world when it soon is proven that central gravity do not decrease towards the center, BUT still a lot will fight for their fantasies so long as possible, like nothing had happen.
The world want to be deluded...

I give up,you are a total nutcase. Goodbye.