Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

• The universe got into the pea by expanding from a smaller volume.
• The universe got into the smaller volume by expanding from an even smaller volume.
• etc.

This is a complete crapy-answer.
It is rather the opposite that must had happen.

Before an expansion was possible space must contract.
You cannot get something BIG into something SMALL by expanding it, - only by contracting it.

A force must have contracted space before it could expand.,
A force must have prevented space to expand until a certain point.

WHICH force could possibly have been responsible?

Answer: ONLY the strong force + huge speed. (= special relativity), in a previous BigChunch could have been responsible.

No other known force (as the strong force) or scenario (as SR) is strong enough to make a BigBang Possible.

What makes the universe expand is the energy within it. This blog entry is a good explanation: What Makes the Universe Expand?

The idiocy of referring to SR has already been mentioned: SR does not describe expanding space. GR describes expanding space.

I am talking about what happen BEFORE the Bigbang – Do you know what; “before” mean ?
I am talking about the CAUSE of the BigBang. – Duo you know what “cause” mean?

You want to know how our universe started? One possibility is described here: The Ekpyrotic Universe:
Colliding Branes and the Origin of the Hot Big Bang.
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0103239

 

[MRC_Hans]

Answer: ONLY the strong force + huge speed. (= special relativity), in a previous BigChunch could have been responsible.

There is not enough energy in the universe for that. For all mass to move fast enough to be much more massive than now, would require the energy of many universes.

I am talking about what happen BEFORE the Bigbang – Do you know what; “before” mean ?

No, Bjarne, nobody knows what 'before the Big Bang' means. Time started at the BB, so the best answer is that there is no such thing as 'before the BB'.

I am talking about the CAUSE of the BigBang. – Duo you know what “cause” mean?

Nobody knows what the cause of the BB is. It may even be impossible for us to know.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne
Answer: ONLY the strong force + huge speed. (= special relativity), in a previous BigChunch could have been responsible.
There is not enough energy in the universe for that. For all mass to move fast enough to be much more massive than now, would require the energy of many universes.

YES according to "classis understanding" it normally requires huge (infinity) amount energy to reach the speed c.

BUT gravity has a secret technique. Gravity has access to that amount unlimited of energy

Imaging that all the matter begins to accelerate towards the center of that gravitionel field we call the Universe.

So soon the acceleration begins the mass of the Universe would increase, this will cause the acceleration to speed up, since gravity pulls the acc.
This will mean larger speed, and larger speed will lead to more mass, etc etc. etc.

The way we are used to calculate this is always in a narrow tracked perspective.
For example; - the energy is absorbed by matter, - when we launch a space probe.
In this case the mass of the space probe will increase a little due to larger speed, (relative to the speed of light).

BUT in this case the increasing mass of the space probe, will off course NOT mean a self-perpetuating process, since the mass increase is ONLY a local phenomena, and not the force that accelerate the space probe….

BUT when all the matter of the hole Universe is speeding up, due to gravity, it is a completely different situation, because ;

In fact no energy is used; a BigChunch is a completely unique process.

• Increasing speed of the Universe due to gravity = Increasing mass
• Increasing mass/gravity = increasing speed.
• Increasing speed = Increasing mass/gravity.
• Increasing mass/gravity = increasing speed.
• Increasing speed = Increasing mass/gravity.

As you can see the energy ""delivery"" is in fact unlimit.
It is a unlimited accelerating process.
Matter MUST reach “c” – and WHAT then ???

Answer:
BBAAAAAAAAAAAANNNGGGG – because the unity of the strong force / gravity is simply outplayed.

It’s a nuclear / gravity explosion..
The biggest nuclear bomb in the Universe.

So simple like that.

No, Bjarne, nobody knows what 'before the Big Bang' means. Time started at the BB, so the best answer is that there is no such thing as 'before the BB'.

If you assume that one day a BigChunch will happen,. We will KNOW what happens. We have all the knowledge necessary.

And yes when all the matter of the Universe will reach “c” , - time then is zero… We have ALL the knowledge we need, - and we have the evidence >> The Big Bang..

The only thing we need is imagination , and just a gentle brain-push from Mother Cow.

You can say reaching c, the RAM is c. BUT ADG is also c.
This means BAAAANG, - because we are now at the melting point for all forces.
We are now at that state where the strong force cannot contract space anymore, since the distances is simply zero.
Therefore there is only one option left is; BAAAAAANNNGGG, - and the strong force is dead.

BUT gravity will still be there a split second after BB, - since gravity is only the stretch /tention of that gravity field we call the Uinverse.

The strong force can die in a split second and first wake up long after.

BUT gravity = the Universe dosen't matter how big it is, (right after a Bigbang).
Gravity = is the first to wake up after a Bigbang, - because gravity = the always different changing elastic nature of the Universe, - from time to time.

The Universe is one big elastic soup; - the strong force is woven into that soup, gravity too.

Gravity and the strong force is 2 side of the same coin. http://www.science27.com/english/quantum_physics.html

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Matter MUST reach “c” [...]

E = mc². True or false?

 

[Bjarne]

E = mc². True or false?

True...
And the equation shows that gravity and the strong force, is 2 side of the same coin.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

BUT gravity has a secret technique. Gravity has access to that amount unlimited of energy

Don't mess with gravity. Gravity's Kung Fu is STRONG!

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

True...

Then matter with a non-zero rest mass cannot accelerate up to c. Either E=mc² is untrue or you are wrong that matter can accelerate up to c. You've just conceded that you're wrong.

 

[Bjarne]

Either E=mc2 is untrue or you are wrong that matter can accelerate up to c. You've just conceded that you're wrong

I don’t know why you believe so.
Imaging you was living on a collapsing star.
If a star is about 10 time the mass of our Sun and have a radius almost 2E6 meter you would experience an ADG = c.
This is simply calculation.

What would you think would happen when you would fall from 1 meter altitude and down on that star ?
How fast would you hit that star?
And WHAT would prevent you to reach c? - (if you believe there is anything to prevent you to reach c)
Even though you would say the resistance would be c, - you speed would also be c.
Which mean; in some sense you say you cannot move with the speed c, because that "state" is not a speed because there is:

• no distance
• no time.

And hence motion.
It is a state of infinity.
But anyway in this case you MUST reach c, since nothing prevents you to do it, - also and doesn’t matter how you would experience c.
If you do not agree, WHAT would exactly prevent you to reach c ?

 

[MRC_Hans]

If you do not agree, WHAT would exactly prevent you to reach c ?

To reach c you would need infinite energy. Infinte energy is not available.

If you are not just fabulating wildly, one might say that you forget mass in your equation.

The nearer to c, the higher mass, the slower the acceleration.

But I don't expect you will care, so just dream on....

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

To reach c you would need infinite energy. Infinte energy is not available.

Right
Normally we are used to think about this as for example; physical energy supply to “A” (the moving body) – coming from “B” (the energy source)….
For example a spacecraft powered by rocket-fuel…

But when the energy of a (fast) moving body is caused by falling into a gravitionel field, - you have energy /mass -increase /absorbation of the body “A”
BUT where does that energy comes from "B" ?

The answer can off course only be hypothetical.
Much points to that gravity and the strong force is united.
Therefore the energy "B" could most likely come from the strong force..

A different question is: does a gravity field with ADG (acceleration Due to gravity) with the “speed” – c - really exists?

Such strong ADG would according to my understanding not possible could exist , but just mean; BAAAANGG – a supernova.

If such local strong gravity field really should exist, a stone approaching such, - should theoretical reach c, - and yes this mean;

• Infinity M
• Infinity E
• Infinity time (zero)

So a stone with the speed c would properly collapse / shrink the whole Universe to distances / time zero, outplay the strong force and hence ticker a Bigbang...

So yes matter cannot reach c, because so soon gravity (ADG) inside a collapsing star is reaching c, - it will explode > a supernova.



The principle responsible for a supernova is the same responsible for the Bigbang.

When matter moves towards the gravitational mass centre of the Universe, this MUST lead to a self-perpetuating process, ( as mentioned a couple of time) ; NOTHING will stop this process to reach some kind of limit beyond our imagination.

Gravity of the Universe will simply become extreme, so strong that the acceleration due to gravity (ADG) would reach c, and this time it is not only a star that will explode, - but the whole universe..

I think we can conclude; c is beyond our imagination, it is a point of NOTHING, an even not time.



It is important to distinguish between exstreme ADG and extreme speed "c".

In a BigChunch ADG would most likely reach c. (But ADG is not necessary; motion, only possible motion)

But what would happen to the speed of the stone in that strange ""moment"" of no time, when gravity /ADG should reach c?

Would there in a moment of "no time" be time for the stone to move ?

Notice so long ADG not is c, speed of the stone cannot reach c because RAM will be to big
So soon ADG = c - there is no more time for the stone to move........or ?

hhhhmmm ?

Right now I am not sure whether it is exstreme ADG or extreme fast moving matter (or both) that tricker the big bomb.

I guess both...
I will ask Mother Cow next time I will meet here.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I don’t know why you believe so.

Because E=mc². Do the maths. Either E=mc² is wrong, or you are.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Matter MUST reach “c”[...]

So yes matter cannot reach c[...]

So it's you who was wrong, not Einstein. Good to know.

 

[Reality Check]

This is a complete crapy-answer.
It is rather the opposite that must had happen.

This is a complete crapy-answer.
It is what the Big Bang theory states what happened, i.e. the universe expanded into a pea size and then expanded more.

...snipped usual gibberish...
I am talking about what happen BEFORE the Bigbang – Do you know what; “before” mean ?
I am talking about the CAUSE of the BigBang. – Duo you know what “cause” mean?

I know so so my answer remains:

The idiocy of referring to SR has already been mentioned: SR does not describe expanding space. GR describes expanding space.

It is even more idiotic to use SR to explain what happened BEFORE the Big Bang.
It is totally idiotic to use SR to explain what happened the CAUSE of the Big Bang.

 

[Bjarne]

Because E=mc2. Do the maths. Either E=mc2 is wrong, or you are.

The equation can only be used to calculate a certain amount of energy of “M”.
It does not tell you whether matter can reach c or not.

It is even more idiotic to use SR to explain what happened BEFORE the Big Bang.
It is totally idiotic to use SR to explain what happened the CAUSE of the Big Bang.

Mass increase due to speed is predicted by SR, - this is a FACT.

A BigChunch mean that gravity (and hence ADG) MUST go mad.

Gravity / ADG MUST simple continue to increase. – And this is where “infinity” gets in, also even though you of some unknown idiotic reason cannot comprehend that….

You can compare it to a cow walking on the road; the faster the cow moves the more is the road extending. So the cow can walk towards infinity.

In the same way “energy” + gravity continues to increase simply because speed continues to increase, and speed continues to increase because gravity continues to increase...

There are no idiotic ends of that idiotic path.

But I guess of some idiotic unknown reason you’ll also not got that idiotic simple point.

So the idiotic simple point is that gravity in a BigChunch will continue to increase to complete idiotic extreme, and this mean idiotic increase of speed and the increase of idiotic speed give you idiotic increase of gravity etc... etc....tec..

As you idiotic simple can see ; (or should could see), or at least a idiotic cow easy can see; this is a idiotic speed machine, or if you prefer; this is a perpetual motion machine that will continue to increase both idiotic Mass and idiotic speed.

NOTHING absolutely NOTHING, even not a idiotic idiot from NZ can stop the process when it first have begun..

And that is enough to tricker a BigBang, so cow idiotic-muuhh-cow- simple is that.

How idiotic to deny that....

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well, Bjarne, enough idle speculations and verbal flatulence from your side. You forgot to answer this question: How do you explain that your Domus Vista experiment shows that your gravity model is wrong?

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Well, Bjarne, enough idle speculations and verbal flatulence from your side. You forgot to answer this question: How do you explain that your Domus Vista experiment shows that your gravity model is wrong?

Hans

Hans, as usual you again demonstrate, - you have no idea what you is talking about.
Tomorrow I will start welding the central measurement stand etc…..
If everything goes well we will build the container Friday Saturday next week.
Come and help us (Rødekro).
Within 1 or 2 weeks after the container is build we will measure.
Come and bet.

 

[Reality Check]

True...
And the equation shows that gravity and the strong force, is 2 side of the same coin.

Deluded yet again, Bjarne.
E=mc² (the mass-energy equivalence equation) shows that mass can be treated as energy.

Only a very ignorant person would think that gravity and strong force are "2 side of the same coin". The strong force is short range (essentially zero outside os a nucleus). Gravity has no known limits.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The equation can only be used to calculate a certain amount of energy of “M”.

You really don't understand what you're talking about, do you?

Well, good luck winning your Nobel Prize.

 

[Bjarne]

Deluded yet again, Bjarne.
E=mc² (the mass-energy equivalence equation) shows that mass can be treated as energy.

How idiotic a statement
This equation has NOTHING with the impossible ""speed"" c (of matter) to do.

Only a very ignorant person would think that gravity and strong force are "2 side of the same coin".

How idiotic
People and cows know that Albert Einstein had used the last half of his live to prove exactly that.
Even at his deathbed he wrote equation to solve exactly that. Plenty of intelligent people (and all cows) still believe all forces are united. (Correction Cows do not believe they know that)...

The strong force is short range (essentially zero outside os a nucleus). Gravity has no known limits.

And these 2 (in fact all 4 forces) are united, exactly like also suggested by GUT

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hans, as usual you again demonstrate, - you have no idea what you is talking about.
Tomorrow I will start welding the central measurement stand etc…..
If everything goes well we will build the container Friday Saturday next week.
Come and help us (Rødekro).
Within 1 or 2 weeks after the container is build we will measure.
Come and bet.

Yes, Bjarne, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the result you got in your previous experiment, the Domus Vista measurement, which showed convincingly that at Domus Vista, gravity behaves exactly as predicted by conventional law.

What is your comment to this result? You know, it is not going to go away, just because you try to ignore it. It is there, it is fact, and you have to accept it.

About your new experiment, the details are apparantly a secret. I can understand you won't disclose them in advance, because then you can't manipulate the result.

Bet? What am I betting on? That you can build a 6-7 meter scaffold, measure gravity from it, and tinker around with the results? Well, any idiot can do that, so, with a bit of effort, I assume YOU will also succeed.

But, I have already told you I will bet you 1$ that you cannot produce an objective result that will support your gravity model.

Hans