Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Pixie of key]

Dark energy?

There is no dark energy who get space expanding.

There is some energy who get quarks exploding / expanding faster and faster.

There is no gravity at all.

If there is gravity, lets told how that gravity born and working?


I can told how pushing energy born and working!


About the speed of light!

The speed of light is a maximum speed in the visible universe! In what speed does the energy of the visible universe itself move in a space that already exists? Away from that area where the giant energy consentrations explode and radiate energy waves with the nature of the galaxies?

Our substance and the time of our substance was born from the energy that already moved in a space that existed before the substance was born!Away from that area that stands really far outside the visible universe!

Our time is simply so slow that all the energy of the visible universe moves in one moment away from that area where the energy of the visible universe locates now and in the next moment away from that area where the energy of the visible universe just moved into ect.

Yet the visible universe can not reach the speed of light! Not by pushing itself directly forwards, because energy (for example as photons) comes towards and it prevents the speed to escalate over the speed of light.

The point is that the energy of the visible universe has already packed into the giant energyconcentrations of the galaxy centres! These concentrations of energy move in a space that already exists and explode and radiate energy waves that have the nature of atoms!

That area (where those giant energy concentrations explode and radiate energy waves with the nature of galaxies) shadows the space and the further we move from that area the more energy is able to get the from the side. This energy accelerates movement away from that area! This way the speed of the galaxies ahead accelerates faster than the the speed of the ones coming behind.

Also from the sides behind the sun there comes the more energy as particules the further the particules move away from the sun! These old particules radiate their energy towards tjose particules that come from the sun! The energy that they radiate can also be called as kinetic energy!

The closer to the sun for example the old photon passes, the less it gets energy hits radiating from the old particules to the side of the sun and the more the photon bends towards the sun!

Towards the energy of the visible universe there comes smoothly to a less dense energy scattered energy from where our qvarks absorb themselves all the time more energy. This way the exploding of the qvarks continues on and on in a space that already exists and does not expand or curve.

http://www.onesimpleprinciple.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

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[MRC_Hans]

Yay! Bjarne, meet Pixie of the key. Pixie of the key, meet Bjarne!

Have fun!



... Pass the popcorn.

Hans

 

[ArmillarySphere]

 

[MRC_Hans]

I always love this "since you can't tell me exactly how and why gravity works, I am free to postulate anything I like about it" thing.

Bjarne, Pixie: Explain to me, in minute details, how and why the engine of your car works.

You can't??

Well, it's all religion, and it is really run by fairies.

Hans

 

[Toke]

I am looking forward to what theories Bjarne and Pixie can work out together.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I am looking forward to what theories Bjarne and Pixie can work out together.

Hans

 

[dafydd]

I always love this "since you can't tell me exactly how and why gravity works, I am free to postulate anything I like about it" thing.

Bjarne, Pixie: Explain to me, in minute details, how and why the engine of your car works.

You can't??

Well, it's all religion, and it is really run by fairies.

Hans

Bjarne's car is hitched to a team of cows.

 

[Bjarne]

No one with any brains expects that the expansion of the universe can be measured locally..

If the space expands here, - and matter not, - the distance to for example the Moon and the Sun should increase. - This doesn’t seem to be the case..
Denying this just demonstrate how ignorant and silly this discussion begins to be

Gravity prevents us from measuring the expansion of the universe until we get to scales much greater than galaxies.

Crap

EM and nuclear forces make sure the matter does not expand.

Contradiction.

In newtonian terms, one says that the Solar System is "gravitationally bound" (ditto the galaxy, the local group). So the Solar System is not expanding.

"One say" bla bla bla
Nothing more than bla bla bla…

 

[ctamblyn]

Yay! Bjarne, meet Pixie of the key. Pixie of the key, meet Bjarne!

Have fun!



... Pass the popcorn.

Hans

 

[sol invictus]

"One say" bla bla bla
Nothing more than bla bla bla…

Bjarne, I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply to you seriously, but.... are you under the impression that standard physics predicts that the distance from the earth to the moon should increase? Is that what you thought it meant to say "the universe is expanding"?

If so, you're badly misinformed. According to standard physics - including the physics that tells us that the universe is expanding as a whole - the distance from the earth to the moon should not increase, not should planets like the earth expand. That's what physics predicts, and it matches the evidence.

People sometimes use the analogy of a balloon with coins glued to it. As you blow up the balloon the distance between the coins increases, but the coins themselves (and the rubber they're glued to) don't expand. The coins are analogous to clusters of galaxies. That's just an analogy, but qualitatively it corresponds to the predictions of the math.

 

[Bjarne]

If so, you're badly misinformed. According to standard physics - including the physics that tells us that the universe is expanding as a whole - the distance from the earth to the moon should not increase, not should planets like the earth expand. That's what physics predicts, and it matches the evidence.

Let us say it take a cow 1 hour to walk home.

Over night the Universe expand and is double so big

Would the way home for the cow now be double so long?
How long time would it take the cow to walk home? - 1 hour - 1½ hour 2 hour 1 hour + 1 second OR ?
Is the distance home for the cow now longer as before?

Would we could measure double distance for the cow home ? Or ?

And by the way :
Would we could measure double distance to the Moon ?

( and to the Sun) ?

 

[Steve001]

bjarne and key of pixie--- nuttiness at it's best. Watch out for the squirrels.

 

[Belz...]

There is no dark energy who get space expanding.

There is some energy who get quarks exploding / expanding faster and faster.

There is no gravity at all.

If there is gravity, lets told how that gravity born and working?

In other words you have no idea what you're talking about and you think your ignorance means something.

 

[Belz...]

If the space expands here, - and matter not, - the distance to for example the Moon and the Sun should increase. - This doesn’t seem to be the case..

Do you even READ the posts people write ? GRAVITY creates an acceleration that tends to draw things closer to one another, compensating for the expansion. In other words the expansion isn't strong enough (yet) to rip the moon apart from the Earth.

Please READ what people respond to you with.

 

[ArcturusA]

Let us say it take a cow 1 hour to walk home.

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Let's try some of your cow logic, Bjarne.

Imagine two cows bound together by a length of rope 10m long.

Now expand the field they are standing in, so that the ground beneath the cows' feet seems to be moving outwards from the pair of cows.

This creates an outwards force on the cows, HOWEVER, the force due to the rope tying them together is much greater. The cows now stay the same distance apart with the rope held taught, while the field expands beneath them.

That is what is going on with the Moon-Earth system. The cows are the Moon and the Earth, the rope is the gravitational force, and the expanding field is expanding space.

 

[sol invictus]

Did you read my post, Bjarne? I answered all those questions. But here, I'll do it again (out of curiosity to see whether it has any effect at all):

Let us say it take a cow 1 hour to walk home.

Over night the Universe expand and is double so big

Would the way home for the cow now be double so long?

No.

How long time would it take the cow to walk home? - 1 hour - 1½ hour 2 hour 1 hour + 1 second OR ?

1 hour.

Is the distance home for the cow now longer as before?

It's the same distance as before.

Would we could measure double distance for the cow home ?

No.

And by the way :
Would we could measure double distance to the Moon ?

( and to the Sun) ?

No, and no.

 

[erlando]

Yay! Two contradicting crackpot theories in the same thread.

 

[Belz...]

Let's try some of your cow logic, Bjarne.

Imagine two cows bound together by a length of rope 10m long.

Now expand the field they are standing in, so that the ground beneath the cows' feet seems to be moving outwards from the pair of cows.

This creates an outwards force on the cows, HOWEVER, the force due to the rope tying them together is much greater. The cows now stay the same distance apart with the rope held taught, while the field expands beneath them.

That is what is going on with the Moon-Earth system. The cows are the Moon and the Earth, the rope is the gravitational force, and the expanding field is expanding space.

That's far too logical and simple an explanation for Bjarne to understand, Arcturus.

 

[ArcturusA]

That's far too logical and simple an explanation for Bjarne to understand, Arcturus.

Sometimes I wonder who are the greater fools...Bjarne for throwing out all logic, reason and science for his crackpot theory, or us for believing he'll listen to what we say.

 

[Pixie of key]

Do you BELIEVE?

Do you really BELIEVE, there was not even space first and then space and energy born hokkus pokkus?

You are really religion people, i mean really!

There is people who say, Jeesus born with out dad, you know? Virginal way?

Well, thats funny, but you say, hole Universe born from nothing?

This is really virginal born, you know?

yOU HAVE TO BELIEVE VERY HARD WAY, IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

heh heh.


Well, i know, we / energy been here for ever and also space been here for ever and space never change at all!

Only we / energy density can changing in space who dont change at all!

I dont believe god of gravity, i dont believe god of expanding space, i dont believe god of curving space, i dont believe god of extra dimensions, i dont believe god of dark matter and i dont believe god of dark energy!

i believe ourselfs / energy who been here for ever and can change our energy density in space who really dont expanding at all!

Creating the universe with the power of mind



In primary condition dominates a balance of energy in a space that already excists. In this balance the energyconsentrations that have the same density and volyme radiate and absorb energy in a same relation, because from the energyconsentarions around possessing the same density and volume create energy all the time smoothly and the energyconsentraion is able to absorb this energy towards itself.

So all the energyconsentrations possessing the same density and volyme possess also the same electric charge.

The eternal energy that is to say us, have the power of mind to our own eternal energy that we can make by the power of mind to straighten (=to explode, to expand, to alter into a less dense).
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1. A lot of energyconsentrations possessing the same charge. Energyconsentrations that possess the same density and the same volyme. Equally as far away from each other. Radiate their energy toeards each other. Absorb energy in same relation as they radiate!

2. With the power of thought they can be moved towards the same area. When the energy straightens itself, the pressure breaks out and pushes the energy around into a another direction. This way we can push similar energyconsentraions towards a same area without the gravity. Even you can make your body to a roll with the power of mind and then you can straighten your body without the gravity!

3. So we created dense “dices” and threw “dices”. Now we are beginning to find ourselves. We can observe what we have created from our own eternal energy into a eternal space that does not alter in any eays!

In popularized version of creating theory in separate groups of people a part of the people sacrifises by straightening. Push for example their feet straight and boost themselves away from their group. At the same time the group of people is pushed away towards the same area where the other groups are pushed in the same principle without the gravity.

At the moment everything is based on entropy in other words to a theory that the eternal energy straightens (=expands, =explodes,=alters into a less dense energy). In a space that already excists and does not expand or curve.

So the qvarks explode, in other words expand three dimentionally, radiate their energy and absorb all the time the energy to themselves. This is how the qvarks recycle energy. At the same time the energy in the qvarks alters with time totally.

So everything is based on the varioation og the pressure. There is no such thing as the gravity! Gravity is not needed to explain any phenomenon. Neither expanding and curving or additional spacedimentions are needed!


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