Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[phunk]

Crap.
A external observer (eg: on the Earth), would see a fast object by the speed c, - e.g: a photon moving from the Sun to the Earth in only 8 min.
But for a photon or a cow traveling with c, - time do no longer exist, the watch will not tick

Cows don't travel at c. In fact, nothing with any sort of internal clock can ever travel at c. Since you're beginning with an impossible premise, your logic is faulty from the start and no conclusion can be drawn from it.

• “c” is a magic zero point, where time do no longer exsist.
• “c-plus” time exist ticks backwards
• “c-minus” time exist and tick forwards

It's impossible for any object, with or without mass, to change between those 3 states (one of which is impossible via known physics.)

No
Speed of matter is converted to real mass.

No
Energy used to accelerate an object is converted to relativistic mass, which is not the same as rest mass, which is what is usually considered 'real' mass.

It requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed. = RAM

Crap.

No, that would be resistance against acceleration. There is no such thing as resistance against motion, only resistance against acceleration.

 

[phunk]

Knowing that, it doesn't make the post any more coherent.

I know, just kept seeing him say that and wanted to be sure I knew what he was trying to say. Still not sure what his point is, since muons don't travel at c and are amazingly consistent with the mainstream understanding of time dilation.

 

[Reality Check]

Cows don't travel at c. In fact, nothing with any sort of internal clock can ever travel at c. Since you're beginning with an impossible premise, your logic is faulty from the start and no conclusion can be drawn from it.

You are correct that cows (or any body with mass) cannot travel at the speed of light. That is just part of Bjarne's bovine fetish.

Of course we can always have the hypothetical observer & their clock in a hypothetical spacecraft who does travel at c. Bjarne's ignorance of the physics involved means that he does not realize for this observer

• the clock ticks as usual.
• the observer can measure the length of their spacecraft and see that it has one.

Of course if the observer looks outside their spacecraft then they will measure that external clocks do not tick and external lengths are contracted to zero (in the direction that the spacecraft is going).

And to further confuse the already confused Bjarne: Another observer looking at the first observer will measure that their clock has stopped and the length of the spacecraft in the direction of travel is zero.

 

[Trifikas]

"c" is the speed of light.

"Speed" is distance divided by time - Miles / Hour; Meters / Second; Furlongs / Fortnight.
Mathmatically, saying something travelling at any speed, but has no time, would be dividing by Zero.

I think we all know how well that works. Carry on.

 

[steenkh]

Crap.
A external observer (eg: on the Earth), would see a fast object by the speed c, - e.g: a photon moving from the Sun to the Earth in only 8 min.
But for a photon or a cow traveling with c, - time do no longer exist, the watch will not tick

In your understanding perhaps. But in the special theory of relativity, the clock will tick for the hypothetical cow travelling at c. This is demonstrated in reality at lower speeds. Astronauts have not noticed that their watches go more slowly, but compared to our watches, they have gone more slowly.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

[MRC_Hans]

The equation has nothing with motion of photons to do, but what happens to matter due to RAM

There is no such thing as RAM.

Try to listen
All the Myons are laughing at you.
Can you hear it ?

Bjarne, try to listen; all the people are laughing at you.

But still it is the galaxy that moves not you.
Hence it is also the galaxy that is up against RAM, and in its ultimate consequence up against 100 % resistances > c < This is what the equation is about.

There is no such thing as RAM.

Still you don’t understand that c is a “place” without time, and factor that shows 100% RAM against motion of matter. – It is a “zero point” of speed. It is total RAM, It is no motion, and no time.

That is total nonsense. c is a velocity. It is correct that for something moving at c, time has for all practical purposes stopped, but that does not change the fact that c is objectively, and measurably, a speed. That speed happens to be 299,792,458 m/s.

And the ultimate essences of the math / equation is still that RAM is 100% by c, and always a "place" without time, and without units.

No, c is a velocity. A velocity has units. You can use it as a constant, but it still implicitly has units.

Oh, and: There is no such thing as RAM.

Resistance against movement would imply that you needed to constantly apply a force to a speeding object, including particles like photons, to keep them from loosing speed. This is not the case. You only need to apply a force to change the speed of an object. This is verified fact, and you are making a total fool of yourself by denying it.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Crap.

Bjarne, every time you answer "crap" when someone confronts you with facts, you look a little more idiotic.

A external observer (eg: on the Earth), would see a fast object by the speed c, - e.g: a photon moving from the Sun to the Earth in only 8 min.
But for a photon or a cow traveling with c, - time do no longer exist, the watch will not tick

I'm not going to wastem ore time arguing this with you. At c time is virtually zero. So what? What is your point?

“c” is a magic zero point, where time do no longer exsist.

That, however, is wrong. There is nothing magic about c. It is not a zero point. Time exists, it is just infinitely slow.

“c-plus” time exist, and ticks backwards (hypotetical)

Uninteresting.

“c-minus” time exist and tick forwards The point, is that >c< is a zero point without unit.

No.

No
Speed of matter is converted to real mass.

No. Speed is not converted to mass. Some of the energy spent to accelerate an object is converted into mass.

It requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed. = RAM

No. Inertia. The more mass, the more energy is required.

You have simply gotten this the wrong way.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Cows don't travel at c. In fact, nothing with any sort of internal clock can ever travel at c. Since you're beginning with an impossible premise, your logic is faulty from the start and no conclusion can be drawn from it.

Agree nothing (except photons) can ever travel with c.

But still the special relativity is valid.
Speed of matter is compared with the impossible speed, in this equation > KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

It is speed agianst RAM that is transformed to mass.
Hence RAM is the basic key factor to understand both RAM increase M+KE

Now think about what the underlying meaning of the equation E=mc²
You can see matter contains a hell lot of Joule.
What do you think would happen with that if it ALL would be released?
Think serious about that question some days.
My opinion; contracted space would expand in all direction with the speed c, and the matter would be gone.
Left would be only space, nothing else.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)
The equation above is the opposite, now it is the speed of matter that is twisting/contracting gradually more and more space and the result is = Mass

Mass/matter = Energy, simple because this is contracted space.
Matter = Compact space (+energy to keep it together).

As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
Max Planck

The basic of the equation is; that the speed of matter with c = 100 % resistance.
And the equation is “aware of” that reaching this speed, - this ultimate reality, - this “place” beyond reality, - this "place" without time, and speed is IMPOSIIBLE.

This is actually what the equation tells you...

The speed of >c< is ONLY a point zerothat gives the relative speed >v< comparable meaning.

Without that “point of impossible” you would not be able to calculate the KE or M increase due to speed >v<

>v< would just be >v< if you did not put it up against the impossible >c< (100 % RAM).

NOTICE compared due to the speed of matter > v..

So YES you are absolutely right the speed “c” does NOT exist, - seen from the perspective of the photon. And this is the point....

But still it is a “factor", it is a “place beyond yours reality.
So DON’T even try to understand it, and do NEVER, NEVER, NEVER again just think about this is a speed, because it is simply NOT a speed. It is the 'border' where the Universe do no longer exsist.

It is 100 % absolute resistance. So the energy from all the galaxies in the whole universe would not be enough to get you to this “speed” BECAUSE this “speed” do NOT exist, and it is NOT a speed seen from the perspective of THAT reality.

A photon can reach such "speed".
BUT also in this case it is ONLY a speed for you.

It is NOT , NOT, NOT a speed for the photon (moving with c) .
For the photon “speed” DO ALSO NOT EXSIST.
Time and distance are GONE.

It's impossible for any object, with or without mass, to change between those 3 states (one of which is impossible via known physics.)

YES

Energy used to accelerate an object is converted to relativistic mass, which is not the same as rest mass, which is what is usually considered 'real' mass

You and many are dreaming.
There ARE NO DIFFERENCE. > Mass is Mass.
If you do not agree TRY to explain the difference.
The Earth moves with 30.000 km/s – This speed of the Earth increases the mass of the earth, YOU FEEL that.
It is not just something that counts in the 21 bright blue dimension.
IT IS REAL...

Jupiter moves slower, hence that planet has of that reason less mass as it would had have if it was moving so fast as the Earth.

This is real for the cow on Jupiter as well for science on the Earth.

There are no such as mass that not counts, - if this is what you mean.
Mass is Mass, exactly like a fat cow is a fat cow, doesn’t matter where it lives.

No, that would be resistance against acceleration. There is no such thing as resistance against motion, only resistance against acceleration

You have no reason what so ever to believe so.
You have no objective evidence to support that nuts old mossy idea.
It is ONLY old not-supported creeds and nothing else.
Why invent such creeds when there are no reason ?
First when YOU are objective SURE that there really are no RAM by constant speed you are in the name of science allowed to such statements.
But you have objective NOTHING to support this.
NOTHING AT ALL.

Bjarne's ignorance of the physics involved means that he does not realize for this observer

What you observe is completely irrelevant.
The equation is not about yours reality, but about the reality how speed convert > against RAM to > KE > Mass.
If that speed “c” really existed YES YOU would see it like 300.000 km/s – exactly like you see a photon.
BUT this is NOT about yours reality.
Honestly RV read and UNDERSTANDS some Special Relativity.

"c" is the speed of light.

"Speed" is distance divided by time - Miles / Hour; Meters / Second; Furlongs / Fortnight.
Mathematically, saying something travelling at any speed, but has no time, would be dividing by Zero.

I think we all know how well that works. Carry on.

The "problem" for our understanding is that what for us is real is from the perspective of a photon both unreal but also a contradiction.
This has been a paradox in 100 years.
The best to do is just to ACCEPT it, this is how our universe is.
You can no longer (the last 100 years), just say I accept both Special relativity and only the universe I see with my own eyes.
These days are gone. You must take a decision if you accept SR or NOT.

Myonsare reaching the top of your head,- they “should” not, BUT the does WHY ?
Because they do NOT accept yours reality.
They have their own.
They don't care about your reality.
Photons are much worse.

Read and UNDERSTAND Special relativity, and ACCEPT that yours reality is NOT the only one.

In your understanding perhaps. But in the special theory of relativity, the clock will tick for the hypothetical cow travelling at c. This is demonstrated in reality at lower speeds. Astronauts have not noticed that their watches go more slowly, but compared to our watches, they have gone more slowly.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Steenkh. Don’t make me shame that I am Dane.
Read and UNDERSTAND some Special Relativity.
A Photon has no idea what a second or a meter is.
You would understand that in the moment you was riding that photon at the “speed” c.
For you there would be no speed, no time, no distance.
The Universe would be gone, you would be everywhere at the same time. Accept it, - this is the ultimate reality.

 

[Bjarne]

That is total nonsense. c is a velocity. It is correct that for something moving at c, time has for all practical purposes stopped, but that does not change the fact that c is objectively, and measurably, a speed. That speed happens to be 299,792,458 m/s.

We are NOT discussion yours reality, BUT the reality of the photon, and the reality that mass cannot reach that impossible reality, the “melting point” of the Univers.

And my dear this “melting point” of the Universe is what c , -seen from the perspective of c, - is about.

THIS is what the equation we are discussion is about too.

Learn and UNDERSTAND Special Relativity, then blab bla.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Agree nothing (except photons) can ever travel with c.

Photons and some other elementary particles.

But still the special relativity is valid.

Of course it is valid. It is just that you don't understand what it implies.

It is speed agianst RAM that is transformed to mass.

Wrong. It is energy that is transformed to mass.

Hence RAM is the basic key factor to understand both RAM increase M+KE

There is no such thing as RAM.

Now think about what the underlying meaning of the equation E=mc²
You can see matter contains a hell lot of Joule.

You have no idea about the underlying meaning, but mass converted to energy IS quite a lot of energy.

What do you think would happen with that if it ALL would be released?

We call that nuclear power.

My opinion; contracted space would expand in all direction with the speed c, and the matter would be gone.
Left would be only space, nothing else.

No. You have it all wrong.

The basic of the equation is; that the speed of matter with c = 100 % resistance.

Resistance is not the correct word. I'm sorry, Bjarne, but that is how it is. It may be difficult, at the bovine level, to understand the difference, but it is there.

'Resistance' implies that you transfer energy to some other medium.
'Inertia' implied that you invest energy into Kinetic energy.

The whole point is that the KE transformation is linear: No matter which speed, one J of 'push' is transformed into one J of KE. However, at relativistic speeds, the speed increases less, but the virtual mass is increased more.

The speed of >c< is ONLY a point zerothat gives the relative speed >v< comparable meaning.

So YES you are absolutely right the speed “c” does NOT exist, - seen from the perspective of the photon. And this is the point....

Bjarne, I don't know why you are so hell-bound on claiming this, but you are wrong. Quite simply wrong. The speed of light is very real, measurable, and finite.

But still it is a “factor", it is a “place beyond yours reality.
So DON’T even try to understand it, and do NEVER, NEVER, NEVER again just think about this is a speed, because it is simply NOT a speed. It is the 'border' where the Universe do no longer exsist.

Simply nonsense. Maybe it is that difficult for you to comprehend, but the rest of us don't have that problem.

If you do not agree TRY to explain the difference.
The Earth moves with 30.000 km/s – This speed of the Earth increases the mass of the earth, YOU FEEL that.

No, you don't. And when the janitor on the good starship Exilone has the mass of three Jupiters, he also does not feel more heavy than usually. This is because we sense mass attraction as acceleration, and since time is dilated, the observed acceleration does not change.

You don't need to understand this to live your life, but if you want to discuss the physics of the universe, you need to. This is the gist of relativity, and the reason I gave you this task:

If you fly in a spaceship moving at 99% of the speed of light (0.99c) between Earth and the Andromeda Galaxy, and you fire a laser beam forwards in the direction of the Andromeda Galaxy, how fast will it go,

a) Seen from the spaceship?
b) Seen from Earth?
c) Seen from the Andromeda Galaxy?

a:
b:
c:

You can dodge and weave, but until you can answer this correctly, you cannot discuss these matters in a meaningful way.

First when YOU are objective SURE that there really are no RAM by constant speed you are in the name of science allowed to such statements.

We are objectively sure of that.

You must take a decision if you accept SR or NOT.

Bjarne, this is ridiculous; we all accept special relativity, but unlike you some of us actually understand it.

Myonsare reaching the top of your head,- they “should” not, BUT the does WHY ?

Because they experience time dilation. (Bjarne is referring to the fact that muons reach the surface of the Earht, although their half-life is so short that they should not get through the atmosphere. But this is just a nice proof of dime dilation at relativistic speeds.)

Because they do NOT accept yours reality.
They have their own.
They don't care about your reality.
Photons are much worse.

That is part of reality, and easy to understand, if you try.

Steenkh. Don’t make me shame that I am Dane.

It is us who are ashamed that you are a Dane.

Read and UNDERSTAND some Special Relativity.

You should do that. And read up on thermodynamics while you are at it.

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

Any results from the silo experiment yet

Agree nothing (except photons) can ever travel with c.

But still the special relativity is valid.
Speed of matter is compared with the impossible speed, in this equation > KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

Not quite: nothing except photons and gluons can travel at the speed of light.
No "still" about it: special relativity is valid.
To be more exact and correct: The speed v of the object relative to an observer is divided by the speed of light. It is never compared.
You have a speed divided by a speed. This results in a number (no units of measurement)

It is speed agianst RAM that is transformed to mass.

RAM does not exist.
Speed is not converted to mass.

Your delusion of RAM does not exist:

• Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
  First asked 23 October 2009
  The answer continues to be no !
• Bjarne, once again: What are the units of measurement for "kinetic resistance"?
• Bjarne debunks "kinetic resistance" (or RAM)

Experimental evidence shows that "kinetic resistence" (RAM) does not exist

• Experimental proof that Bjarne "kinetic resistance" is wrong
  2 November 2009
• Why particle accelerators disprove Bjarne's impossible "kinetic resistance" (the above post expanded).

Now think about what the underlying meaning of the equation E=mc²

It means that you can treat the rest mass of an object as euivalent to an energy: Mass–energy equivalence

In physics, mass–energy equivalence is the concept that the mass of a body is a measure of its energy content. In this concept the total internal energy E of a body at rest is equal to the product of its rest mass m and a suitable conversion factor to transform from units of mass to units of energy. If the body is not stationary relative to the observer then account must be made for relativistic effects where m is given by the relativistic mass and E the relativistic energy of the body.

It does not mean that mass is energy.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)
The equation above is the opposite, now it is the speed of matter that is twisting/contracting gradually more and more space and the result is = Mass[/qyote]
Gibberish.

Mass/matter = Energy, simple because this is contracted space.

Wrong.
Mass can be treated as equivalent to energy. Mass is not equal to energy.

Matter = Compact space (+energy to keep it together).

More gibberish

The basic of the equation is; that the speed of matter with c = 100 % resistance.

The basic of the equation is that nothging with mass can get to 100% of the speed of light.

And the equation is “aware of” that reaching this speed, - this ultimate reality, - this “place” beyond reality, - this "place" without time, and speed is IMPOSIIBLE.

And the equation is “aware of” that reaching this speed, - this ultimate reality, - this “place” within reality, - this "place" with time and speed is IMPOSIIBLE.

The speed of >c< is ONLY a point zerothat gives the relative speed >v< comparable meaning.

Gibberish.
An object can have any relative speed v.
The speed of light is only a speed.
What matters is that c is the same to all non-accelerating observers. It does not matter how fast you move, you always measure the speed of light as c. This is a postulate of special relativity and that leads to
KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

...snipped gibberish...
So YES you are absolutely right the speed “c” does NOT exist, - seen from the perspective of the photon. And this is the point....

Wrong again Bjarne
What he is saying is that photons have no internal clock and so there is no such thing as a "perspective of the photon". So YES he was absolutely right the speed “c” DOES exist always. And this is the point....

...snipped usual gibberish...
Myonsare reaching the top of your head,- they “should” not, BUT the does WHY ?

Muons are reaching the top of your head as they should according to special relativity.

This reminds me:

Bjarne's "central gravity" completely debunked!​

already has​

• an experiment that debunks "central gravity" (The actual measured ADG inside a sphere varies as predicted) and​
• The Domus Vista data shows that Bjarne's "central gravity" is wrong or useless​

What are the results of your latest experiment that will probably also debunk "central gravity?

Your silo experiment was last mentioned back in August where you predicted that the silo will block "50% of the access to space" and so its ADG will be 50% of some number you made up:​

As I said you are just pulling the numbers out of your pet cow's bottom:

1. You cannot tell us how you got the first number ("Based on the prevailing thesis we should be able to measure 267μGal at the roof so soon one container is full ( I believe).").
2. You first stated that the number you expected was 67 μGal, i.e. 25% of 267 μGal.
3. You seemed to have changed you mind and now mentions 50% (133.5 μGal).
4. There is a good chance that you will pull another number out of thin air before the experiment.
5. There is a small chance that as soon as you have the results you will pull another number out of thin air to make the experiment fit

Luckily you have not done point 4 yet - Good Boy Bjarne.

Remember

• If you do not get exactly 133.5 μGal then "central gravity" is debunked yet again.
  Or
• As I recall, someone is actually calculating the Newtonian ADG from the full silo for you.
  If you do not get exactly 50% of the Newtonian ADG of the silo then "central gravity" is debunked yet again.

 

[Bjarne]

Wrong. It is energy that is transformed to mass.

Cows know what Kinetic energy is, and that is have something with speed to do.

You have no idea about the underlying meaning, but mass converted to energy IS quite a lot of energy.

Nonsense, Mass is energy cannot exist without mass. – This is cow knowledge too.

We call that nuclear power.

You could call it cowpower; still you doesn’t know what is I when it is all released.

Resistance is not the correct word. I'm sorry, Bjarne, but that is how it is.

This too you could call cow-resistance the expression is not important, just that you understand if you are tight to the cow = RAM. – The same is the case when you are tight to space a VW a bike etc. RAM is mathematically RAM.
The speed of light is very real, measurable, and finite.
You only accept you own reality and not SR.
It is your own limitation / problem.

Simply nonsense. Maybe it is that difficult for you to comprehend, but the rest of us don't have that problem.

None of you seems to have understood the reality of the photon.

No, you don't. And when the janitor on the good starship Exilone has the mass of three Jupiters, he also does not feel more heavy than usually.

What is the evidence.
I am not asking for empty expression, but evidence
How can energy convert into unreal mass?

If you fly in a spaceship moving at 99% of the speed of light (0.99c) between Earth and the Andromeda Galaxy, and you fire a laser beam forwards in the direction of the Andromeda Galaxy, how fast will it go,
a) Seen from the spaceship?
b) Seen from Earth?
c) Seen from the Andromeda Galaxy?

b+c would be unchanged still 0,99c.

But according to >a<, time would tick much slower as well as distances would be much smaller, due to the speed 0.99c of observer a..

Hence the perspective for measure anything would be completely different.

For exsample;
a Myon is moving with almost c, -time is ticking much slower, and distances are much shorter, seesn from this perspective.

This is why it can reach much further through the atmosphere of the Earth as it should be able to according to your reality.

You would say the Myon have travelled 1000 km in 1/300 second.
The Myon would experience it have moves much shorter and time was much more than shown at yours watch. .

The faster the Myon moves (closer to c) the more the “time” limit is losing its meaning.

Your speed can be compared to the speed of a photon.
If you would moves 150.000 km/s a photon would only be double so fast to reach Jupiter, seen from yours reality (150.000 km/s).
The watch on the photons arm would show zero, on yours arm 20 minute and on Peters arm (down on Earth) 20 minute.

If you would travel 90% of the speed of a photon, - the photon would only arrive 1/10 parts before you. etc……
But seen form the photons perspective it would be at Jupiter at the same time as when it leaves the earth.
The Myon would also had messured a complete different time seen from the perspective of the Myon.

Bjarne
First when YOU are objective SURE that there really are no RAM by constant speed you are in the name of science allowed to such statements.
Hans
We are objectively sure of that.

This is ONLY creeds/nonsense so long you have NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, and you have NOT.

Because they experience time dilation. (Bjarne is referring to the fact that muons reach the surface of the Earht, although their half-life is so short that they should not get through the atmosphere. But this is just a nice proof of dime dilation at relativistic speeds.)

This shows that you sometimes must forget what your watch is telling you and accept that there are other realities that are REAL. For example that time do not exist seen from the perspective of c.

 

[Bjarne]

Double

 

[Bjarne]

To be more exact and correct: The speed v of the object relative to an observer is divided by the speed of light. It is never compared.
You have a speed divided by a speed. This results in a number (no units of measurement)

RC you simply don’t understand that yours reality and how you are measuring the speed ”c” NOT is part of the equation.

BACK TO THE FERRARI

If all you know is: -that it always requires the 4 double energy to reach the double speed of a Ferrari, - you do not have enough to calculate the RAM (fuell consumption etc) at a certain speed.

You need something more.

But WHAT ?

If someone tell you that at exactly 1000 km/h the RAM (of the car) is 100 % you can make an equation.

The 1000 km/h is no longer a speed, but another dimension, another reality where the RAM is 100% .
It is a "speed" imposible to reach - and for (too) many a "place" even impossible to imaging.
That "speed" is in fact= a none-speed.

The Ferrari cannot reach that speed.

There is not enough energy in the whole Universe.

So even though 1000 km/h is a reality for a cow waching the ar, then seen from the perspective of that speed (1000 km/h) the UNIT time or Speed or meter DO NO LONGER EXSIST.

The speed is a melting point, it is a point zero.
It is 100 % total and completely resistance.

HOW CAN YOU NOW CALCULTE THE RAM OF THAT CAR.

Well like that: > 1/√(1 - v²/1000²) --- (like we are used to do in space)

The result you get is NEGATIVE MOTION. simple because the 1000 km/h is not a speed, but a wall, a imposible theoretical "speed", imposisble to reach.

And at a certian point you can easy see that this negative motion 'RAM' - at a certian point is getting bigger than the speed forward....

THIS is the essence of Special Relativity too.

At 500 km/h RAM = 1,15 km/h
At 900 km/h RAM = 2,29 km/h
At 999 km/h RAM = 22,36 km/h
At 999,9999 km/h RAM = 2236 km/h

So like you and mother cow can see at the Speed 999,9999 km/h -- the RAM (negative speed) is double so much as the speed forward.

And this cow-means > NO SPEED.

Speed has become IMPOSSIBLE for both the Ferrari (and as you know for a cow moving with c)

FERRARI have a BIG Problem , - can you see that point too?

The Universe / Speed have the exact same problems as Ferrari

When a cow walk 5km/h forward and 5km/h backward the result is : ZERO

Dear RC – NO SPEED is NO SPEED and hence no m/s

RAM does not exist.

RAM is the essence of SR
RAM is under all circumstance a mathematical fact (that you cannot comprehend all this is NOT important)
The fact that you don't like /accept RAM when moving in space, is NOT important. Math is math., and math doesn’t care about your opinion.

Speed is not converted to mass.

Speed is Kinetic Energy = Mass

It does not mean that mass is energy.

Mass = Energy

And Energy = Contracted Space
Released Energy = Expanding Space (to a certain degree) .
The Big Bang is just one of such evidence.

What matters is that c is the same to all non-accelerating observers.

You are dreaming.

It does not matter how fast you move, you always measure the speed of light as c.

It is irrelevant what “you” or "I” do.

C – is the ultimate reality, when you are on the track to reach c, - then and ONLY then the whole Universe,- time, -and distances will change completely, and when reaching that magic “c” point the Universe DO NO LONGER EXSIST. - Or you are everywhere.

BUT for your grandmother down on Earth SHE DO NOT MOVE, and hence the universe for here is still real, it still exist and time still tick as it always does, and sunlight form the sun still moves 300000 km/h

BUT for YOU moving with the ULTIMATE speed, there are NOTING LEFT.

NOTHING .

THIS is what this equation // c, seen from the perspective of c - // is about my dear.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Seems this had become an exercise in seeing exactly how much nonsense Bjarne can concoct.

Cows know what Kinetic energy is, and that is have something with speed to do.

Of course it has. And?

Nonsense, Mass is energy cannot exist without mass. – This is cow knowledge too.

Please translate into English.

You could call it cowpower; still you doesn’t know what is I when it is all released.

Please translate into English.

This too you could call cow-resistance the expression is not important, just that you understand if you are tight to the cow = RAM. – The same is the case when you are tight to space a VW a bike etc. RAM is mathematically RAM.

Please translate into English.

The speed of light is very real, measurable, and finite.

Yes, that is what I just told you.

You only accept you own reality and not SR.

I accept SR.

It is your own limitation / problem.

Your limitation is that you only accept your own fantasy of SR. We could call that BSR.

What is the evidence.
I am not asking for empty expression, but evidence
How can energy convert into unreal mass?

There is nothing unreal about the mass.

b+c would be unchanged still 0,99c.

Wrong. Try again:

If you fly in a spaceship moving at 99% of the speed of light (0.99c) between Earth and the Andromeda Galaxy, and you fire a laser beam forwards in the direction of the Andromeda Galaxy, how fast will the laser beam go,

a) Seen from the spaceship?
b) Seen from Earth?
c) Seen from the Andromeda Galaxy?

a:
b:
c:

But according to >a<, time would tick much slower as well as distances would be much smaller, due to the speed 0.99c of observer a..

Hence the perspective for measure anything would be completely different.

Well, you are on to something, but not quite there.

For exsample;
a Myon is moving with almost c, -time is ticking much slower, and distances are much shorter, seesn from this perspective.

Yes, that was what I pointed out in my previous post.

This is why it can reach much further through the atmosphere of the Earth as it should be able to according to your reality.

No, this is according to our reality. There is nothing unreal about SR.

You would say the Myon have travelled 1000 km in 1/300 second.
The Myon would experience it have moves much shorter and time was much more than shown at yours watch. .

The faster the Myon moves (closer to c) the more the “time” limit is losing its meaning.

Bjarne, if you were not too lazy to read other people's posts, you might have noticed that I just exlained that, although in fewer words:

Because they experience time dilation. (Bjarne is referring to the fact that muons reach the surface of the Earth, although their half-life is so short that they should not get through the atmosphere. But this is just a nice proof of dime dilation at relativistic speeds.)

Your speed can be compared to the speed of a photon.
If you would moves 150.000 km/s a photon would only be double so fast to reach Jupiter, seen from yours reality (150.000 km/s).
The watch on the photons arm would show zero, on yours arm 20 minute and on Peters arm (down on Earth) 20 minute.

Wrong. My watch and Peter's watch will not show the same.

But seen form the photons perspective it would be at Jupiter at the same time as when it leaves the earth.

Yes, Bjarne, nobody has denied this. Get over it.

The Myon would also had messured a complete different time seen from the perspective of the Myon.

Yes, we established that. It is well known. Move on.

This is ONLY creeds/nonsense so long you have NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, and you have NOT.

(The non-existence of RAM.) Yes we have. No matter how many times you deny this, it will not go away. We know and can prove that there is no RAM.

For example that time do not exist seen from the perspective of c.

No, Bjarne, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Time stands still at c, but it is still there, because c is a velocity, and a velocity makes no sense with reference to time.

Also, of course, since the material world does not exist at c, we need to figure in time.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

RC you simply don’t understand that yours reality and how you are measuring the speed ”c” NOT is part of the equation.

Yes it is, but the influence is so small that we can ignore it.

If all you know is: -that it always requires the 4 double energy to reach the double speed of a Ferrari, - you do not have enough to calculate the RAM (fuell consumption etc) at a certain speed.

It doesn't require 4 times energy to reach double speed.

You need something more.

But WHAT ?

Air resistance and wheel friction.

If someone tell you that at exactly 1000 km/h the RAM (of the car) is 100 % you can make an equation.

The 1000 km/h is no longer a speed, but another dimension, another reality where the RAM is 100% .

It is indeed another dimension where a resistance is a speed. A resistance will either be expressed as an (negative) acceleration in m/s², or as a force, in n (Newton). (Of course other inits might be used)

It is a "speed" imposible to reach - and for (too) many a "place" even impossible to imaging.
That "speed" is in fact= a none-speed.

The Ferrari cannot reach that speed.

There is not enough energy in the whole Universe.

Nonsense. The top speed of a car is the speed where the driving force (from the engine) equals the resistance (from air, etc.). If you increase the negine power, it can drive faster (although 1,000 km/h is a tall order, even for a Ferrari).

So even though 1000 km/h is a reality for a cow waching the ar, then seen from the perspective of that speed (1000 km/h) the UNIT time or Speed or meter DO NO LONGER EXSIST.

That is nonsense. For non-relativistic speeds there is plenty of time and meters, why do you write such nonsense?

The speed is a melting point, it is a point zero.
It is 100 % total and completely resistance.

No, it is just a balancing of forces.

HOW CAN YOU NOW CALCULTE THE RAM OF THAT CAR.

Well like that: > 1/√(1 - v²/1000²) --- (like we are used to do in space)

Wrong. The resistance to motion in a car is air resistance and other types of friction. It has absolutely nothing to do with what happens at the speed of light. Come on, Bjarne, you can't be this dumb.

THIS is the essence of Special Relativity too.

Haha, no, you haven't understood a thing.

At 500 km/h RAM = 1,15 km/h
At 900 km/h RAM = 2,29 km/h
At 999 km/h RAM = 22,36 km/h
At 999,9999 km/h RAM = 2236 km/h

No, complete crap. A resistance is not a speed.

FERRARI have a BIG Problem , - can you see that point too?

The Universe / Speed have the exact same problems as Ferrari

No.

Mass = Energy

And Energy = Contracted Space
Released Energy = Expanding Space (to a certain degree) .
The Big Bang is just one of such evidence.

No, no, no, and no.



Bjarne this is too silly.

Go read some books, then maybe, just maybe, you might understand a little bit.

Hans

 

[steenkh]

Steenkh. Don’t make me shame that I am Dane.
Read and UNDERSTAND some Special Relativity.

We are already mightily ashamed over you. People might get the wrong idea of the Danish educational system with the likes of you around. I will reevaluate my view on special relativity when you have proven that Einstein got it wrong.

A Photon has no idea what a second or a meter is.

Of course not, but the hypothetical light-speed cow that you proposed would have a sense of time and distance, and that would not be changed. That is the whole idea of relativity: Each has his own reference, and it everybody else that seems to have a distorted view of time, distance, and mass.

For you there would be no speed, no time, no distance.
The Universe would be gone, you would be everywhere at the same time. Accept it, - this is the ultimate reality.

Why should I accept your religious view that you propose contrary to the accepted theory of relativity? Special relativity has already been proven. How about you showing that it is wrong?

 

[Paulhoff]

Well like that: > 1/√(1 - v²/1000²) --- (like we are used to do in space)

The result you get is NEGATIVE MOTION. simple because the 1000 km/h is not a speed, but a wall, a imposible theoretical "speed", imposisble to reach.

And at a certian point you can easy see that this negative motion 'RAM' - at a certian point is getting bigger than the speed forward....

THIS is the essence of Special Relativity too.

At 500 km/h RAM = 1,15 km/h
At 900 km/h RAM = 2,29 km/h
At 999 km/h RAM = 22,36 km/h
At 999,9999 km/h RAM = 2236 km/h

Well for one thing, you don't understand what you are calculating, again. You are not calculating a speed, you are calculating Time Dilation and Weight Increase of the object that is moving.

At 50% of the speed of light an object's time will be 1.15 times slower and the object's weight will be 1.15 more massive. the .15 is the added mass of the energy needed to make that object move that 50% the speed of light.


Paul

 

[Bjarne]

Your limitation is that you only accept your own fantasy of SR.

You limitation is that you have

• No understanding
• No imagination
• No fantasy

How the Universe would look like, seen from the perspective of “c”

Bjarne
This is why it can reach much further through the atmosphere of the Earth as it should be able to according to your reality.
Hans
No, this is according to our reality.

No, the muon travels further because time seen from the perspective of its own speed is ticking slower than time ticking in your reality.

There is nothing unreal about SR

There are different realities. .

Wrong. My watch and Peter's watch will not show the same.

Right, writing mistake Peters watch shows 40 minutes.

We know and can prove that there is no RAM.

Nonsense, - do it, shows us the evidence...
And tell us the logic - why should RAM (or in you Universe Inertia) only apply to acceleration.
Not just a empty expression. But EXPLAIN ------ WHY.

No, Bjarne, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Time stands still at c, but it is still there,

Absolutely crap.
What is the difference between : time standing still and no time ?
This is against both cow-logic and den jyske lov...
So you believe in time spirits or time-ghost ?
Ohh yehh, is this now one more sect?

because c is a velocity, and a velocity makes no sense with reference to time.

Nonsense

• Velocity makes no sense without speed.
• Speed makes no sense without time.
• Distance makes no sense without time.

 

[Bjarne]

Nonsense. The top speed of a car is the speed where the driving force (from the engine) equals the resistance (from air, etc.). If you increase the negine power, it can drive faster (although 1,000 km/h is a tall order, even for a Ferrari).

I make the rules.
And the rules is : at 1000 km/h RAM is total, impossible to reach.

Air resistance and wheel friction.

The car is moving in a different dimension.
I have made this rule too.

That is nonsense. For non-relativistic speeds there is plenty of time and meters, why do you write such nonsense?

To put something you cant understand down into yours reality, so far it is possible. – But I can see that too doesn’t help you.