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Special relativity has already been proven. How about you showing that it is wrong ?
SR is not wrong
You have got it wrong, since you too do not understand that time is not a reality seen from the perspective of the the ultimate speed.
 
No, the muon travels further because time seen from the perspective of its own speed is ticking slower than time ticking in your reality.

As I explained. This is really strange, Bjarne: You say I'm wrong, then repeat my explanation. Are you sure you are all right?
There are different realities. .

Well there is apparantly one "reality" inside your head. _ And one that applies to the real world.

Right, writing mistake Peters watch shows 40 minutes.

I'm not bothering to calculate what the watches show, but yes, the fast-moving watch shows less than the stationary.

Nonsense, - do it, shows us the evidence...
And tell us the logic - why should RAM (or in you Universe Inertia) only apply to acceleration.
Not just a empty expression. But EXPLAIN ------ WHY.

Why exactly should I take the trouble to show proof of general physics to you. You never show proof of any of your claims.

Anyhow, inertia applies to change of speed. When you accelerate a mass, you transfer KE to it. To do this, you need to apply a force. This force is what you observe as 'resistance'. When acceleration stops, there is no change in KE, so no force is needed, hence no resistance.

As I have told you so many times, you need to read up on thermodynamics.

Absolutely crap.
What is the difference between : time standing still and no time ?
This is against both cow-logic and den jyske lov...

Well, at least it is obviously over your head. I guess we'll have to live with that.:rolleyes:

Hans
 
I make the rules.
And the rules is : at 1000 km/h RAM is total, impossible to reach.


The car is moving in a different dimension.
I have made this rule too.


To put something you cant understand down into yours reality, so far it is possible. – But I can see that too doesn’t help you.

:boggled: :rolleyes: :nope:

Every time I think you are as silly as one can get, you surprise me.

Hans :dio:
 
SR is not wrong
You have got it wrong, since you too do not understand that time is not a reality seen from the perspective of the the ultimate speed.

SR is not wrong. However, your idea of it IS wrong.

Hans
 
SR is not wrong
You have got it wrong, since you too do not understand that time is not a reality seen from the perspective of the the ultimate speed.
Nope, you have it wrong again.


Let's take the solar system, and pretend that we are north of the sun many billions of miles looking down on it. We will see the planets as they slowing orbit the sun. Now pretend that we move the whole solar system at the speed of light straight up towards us and at the same time we move away at the speed of light so the solar system will not over take us. Will the planets still be in orbit around the sun? No, they will not because all the speed they can use is only in one direction, there is no speed left over to orbit the sun for the planets. Time seems to have stopped for the solar system, but in fact is hasn’t, because it is traveling and that does take time.

Paul

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Why exactly should I take the trouble to show proof of general physics to you.
You never show proof of any of your claims

You claim that RAM does not exist by constant speed.
YOU must prove that.
Otherwise yours statement is not science, but religion.

Every time I think you are as silly as one can get, you surprise me.
I just pull a huge value > 300.000 down on Earth > to 1000 km/h.
And I showed a example easy to understand.
You did not get that point either, - and this is really silly.
Your poor imagination ability surprises me time after time.
 
You never show proof of any of your claims
You never show proof of any of your claims.

You claim that RAM exists by constant speed.
YOU must prove that.
Otherwise yours statement is not science, but religion.


I just pull a huge value > 300.000 down on Earth > to 1000 km/h.
For no apparent purpose.


And I showed a example easy to understand.
You made up some nonsense.


You did not get that point either, - and this is really silly.
The only point seems to be to reaffirm your inability to understand the physics you use.


Your poor imagination ability surprises me time after time.
Your poor capacity to even consider the nature of demonstrable reality no longer surprises me.
 
RC you simply don’t understand that yours reality and how you are measuring the speed ”c” NOT is part of the equation.
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That is idiotic
  1. c is in the equation. It is part of the equation :jaw-dropp!
  2. c is the speed of light. Like every speed it is measured in units of length/time.
Your delusion of RAM does not exist:
Experimental evidence shows that "kinetic resistence" (RAM) does not exist
 
You never show proof of any of your claims

You claim that RAM does not exist by constant speed.
YOU must prove that.
Otherwise yours statement is not science, but religion.

Standard rules for any academic discussion: Nobody can demand to be educated on common knowledge. Normal physics contain plenty of proof that an object will retain constant speed if no forces act on it. It is simple primary school curriculum.

If you want to claim sonething different, the duty of proof is on you.

ETA: About proof of the non-existence of RAM, RC is posting them all the time, just read that.

I just pull a huge value > 300.000 down on Earth > to 1000 km/h.
And I showed a example easy to understand.
You did not get that point either, - and this is really silly.

You example is totally silly. I haven no problem understanding the speed of light, I have worked with it for 40 years.

Your poor imagination ability surprises me time after time.

We are not talking imagination, here. We are supposed to talk about facts.

Hans
 
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Normal physics contain plenty of proof that an object will retain constant speed if no forces act on it. It is simple primary school curriculum.
You are dreaming
The only place proof for that nonsense exist , - is in your fantasy.
RAM is a fact by any motion..

We are not talking imagination, here. We are supposed to talk about facts.
And the fact is that you cannot imagine how the universe looks like at the speed c, My friend at that speed, - from the perspective of c, - speed do not exist.
Live with it.


That is idiotic

No it is not, but rather idiotic that you still not understand
1.) c is in the equation. It is part of the equation !
Right
2.) c is the speed of light. Like every speed it is measured in units of length/time.

But zero m/s (without unit) seen from the perspective of a photon or anything else that really or hypothetical would or could move with that “speed” > ‘c’.

And this is where the chain went off.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

The KE increase (or ‘E’ consumption to reach a certain speed) must be understood as ‘v’ relative to ‘c’.

‘KE’ increase (or ‘E’ consumption to reach a certain speed) is of course equal proportional to the value of RAM, - this can’t be different and is of course also the only mathematical possibility….

So ‘v’ relative to ‘c’, - shows how much speed it is possible to get per Joule.
Or how much less speeds you get per Joule you spend.

Gradually less speed per joule = means there MUST be a RAM factor invloved in that equation, - and this can only be ‘c’.

Of course and not surprisingly because ‘c’ seen from its own reality is; no motion, but rather beyond time and everything else.
 
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You are dreaming
The only place proof for that nonsense exist , - is in your fantasy.
RAM is a fact by any motion..
One more time: Your notion of RAM is a delusion:
Experimental evidence shows that "kinetic resistence" (RAM) does not exist
And the fact is that you cannot imagine how the universe looks like at the speed c, My friend at that speed, - from the perspective of c, - speed do not exist.
Live with it.
And the fact is that we can imagine how the universe looks like at the speed c, My friend at that speed, - from the perspective of c, - speed does exist.
Live with it.

But zero m/s (without unit)
Idiotic - "zero m/s" has units of m/s :jaw-dropp
Zero speed has units of length/time

seen from the perspective of a photon or anything else that really or hypothetical would or could move with that “speed” > ‘c’.
Photons do not have a "perspective".
Photons do not move at a speed > c.
By definiton the speed of photons is that speed of light, i.e. c.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

The KE increase (or ‘E’ consumption to reach a certain speed) must be understood as ‘v’ relative to ‘c’.
Gibberish.
The increase in KE with increasing speed v must be understood as an increase in KE with increasing speed. It is defined as
KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²) and γ is the Lorentz factor that has no units of measurement since v/c has no units (they cancel out when you divide two things that have the same units).
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Any results from the silo experiment yet, Bjarne

This reminds me:
already has
Are there any results from your slio experiment yet?

Your silo experiment was last mentioned back in August where you predicted that the silo will block "50% of the access to space" and so its ADG will be 50% of some number you made up:

Originally Posted by Reality Check As I said you are just pulling the numbers out of your pet cow's bottom:
  1. You cannot tell us how you got the first number ("Based on the prevailing thesis we should be able to measure 267μGal at the roof so soon one container is full ( I believe).").
  2. You first stated that the number you expected was 67 μGal, i.e. 25% of 267 μGal.
  3. You seemed to have changed you mind and now mentions 50% (133.5 μGal).
  4. There is a good chance that you will pull another number out of thin air before the experiment.
  5. There is a small chance that as soon as you have the results you will pull another number out of thin air to make the experiment fit
Luckily you have not done point 4 (yet) - good boy Bjarne.
FYI:

The convention in sceince is that if you quote a number (133.5 μGal or 50%) without specifying the error in that number then the error is in the least significant digit.
Thus if the silo experiment does not return that the measured ADG of the silo is​
  • between 131 and 135 μGal (being generous to your pet cow's value) or
  • between 49% and 51% of the scientifically calculated value.
then you have debunked "central gravity" one more time.
 
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And the fact is that we can imagine how the universe looks like at the speed c, My friend at that speed, - from the perspective of c, - speed does exist.

A Muon clearly demonstrates that time and distance seen from its own perspective is much different than ours.

A Muon can impossible agree with you that reality is like the way you see it.

The way you measure distance and the time of a photon moving with ‘c’ can impossible be the same as seen from the perspective of a muon or a photon.

If you would say it takes 8 minutes from a Photon from the Sun to reach us, the Muon would say that it is lie, it takes MUCH less. (A photon would say it take no time).

If you would say it is 1E11 meter to the Sun the Muon would say it is much less. The Photon would say there is no distance.

The Further the muon is approaching ‘c’ – the bigger a lie is our reality .

If the muon would be a particle (with the name cow) with mass, moving with the same speed as the muon, the cow would agree with the muon that yours reality was a lie.

The cow and the muon would also agree that the more they was speeding up, the bigger a lie would our reality be.

And they would agree that the more they was approaching c, the bigger a lie would it be that ‘c’ is a speed.

The cow would also know that it would require a huge amount of KE to move from it’s present speed to almost ‘c’ .

A cow would also know that mathematical this must be treated as RAM, which mean that the cow would achieve less and less speed per Joule, due to increasing RAM


To make a long history short:

When the cow gradually is speeding up time would tick slower and slower, and distances would certainly be shorter and shorter.

Hence a 362456439 % idiotic, 478534534 % brain damage and 3456346834 % senile cow would understand, that when the cow is approaching c, speed must be slower and distance shorter.

Hence so sick a cow certainly would understand that at ‘c’ where time is zero the cow would not move anymore, because nothing can move when there is no time, and when distances no longer exist, seen for the moving objects own perspective. .

So all cows do understand that when approaching c, - they will actually moves slower and slower.

This is also what the fast-moving-cow-equation is about.

RC and Hans down on the Earth is not part of the fast-moving-cow-transformation-reality-process where everything is completely deforming.

Hence when a fast moving cow actually mathematical can prove it is moving slower and slower when approaching ‘c’, - Hans and RC would see it form the stupid-Earth-reality; - as the cow was moving faster and faster.

Hence Hans, Rc & Co would never accept anything else as what they could see, and off course ready to reject mathematical fact and off course all other realeties except their own.

For Cows, - different realities are not strange, - cows accept and understand special relativity, - and cows know that there are million stupid people on the Earth that haven’t understood anything.

It can almost be compared with psychopathic, in the sense that there are people on Earth that only can comprehend there own reality, even though they all moves with the same Earth-speed as other people) .

But well, it is no much to do about it except to say muuuhhh...

Muuuh cow at almost c is moving very slow, seen from its own perspective
Muuuh cow approaching c is moving gradually slower, seen from its own perspective, but seen from stupid Earth is a lie, and the only fanatic truth is the opposite;- that muhh cow is moving faster and faster.

We are muuuuhing about what happens just before the cows max speed is reach.. then it will remarkable beging to move slower and slower seen from the muuhh cows own perspective.

The eqaution is about what happen with the fast moving muuuhh cows reality, not what happen in Wellington or Copenhagen when someone see a fast moving cow

We have reach the end......

Muuuhhh
muuuhhh

If you don't know this mean bye bye....
 
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A Muon clearly demonstrates that time and distance seen from its own perspective is much different than ours.
A muon has no perspective.
From the perspective of an observer looking at a muon, the half life of the muon depends on its speed realtive to the observer.

A Muon can impossible agree with you that reality is like the way you see it.
A Muon cannot possibly agree with anything. It does not think. It does not speak.

The way you measure distance and the time of a photon moving with ‘c’ can impossible be the same as seen from the perspective of a muon or a photon.
Wrong.

If you would say it takes 8 minutes from a Photon from the Sun to reach us, the Muon would say that it is lie, it takes MUCH less. (A photon would say it take no time).
That is correct for anything. A proton in the solar wind talkes MUCH less.
Only an idiot would think that photons talk.

If you would say it is 1E11 meter to the Sun the Muon would say it is much less. The Photon would say there is no distance.
Only an idiot would think that photons talk.

The Further the muon is approaching ‘c’ – the bigger a lie is our reality .
Wrong.
There is only one reality. Special realtivity works in that reality.

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Hence Hans, Rc & Co would never accept anything else as what they could see, and off course ready to reject mathematical fact and off course all other realeties except their own.
That is stupid.
Hans, RC & Co know physics.
We know the simple fact that the speed of light is a speed and is measured by divding a length by a time.
We know that only observers can measure things. Photons, muons, protons, etc. are not observers. They have no perspective. They do not measure anything.
We know what the experimentally verified theory of special relativity means
All observers that are not accelerating measure the same speed of light. This includes a hypothetical observer traveling at the speed of light.
To put it in "Bjarne speak": From the "perspective" of a photon , it and all other photons are travelling at the speed of light.
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...snipped gibberish and insane cow fetish...
Muuuhhh
muuuhhh

If you don't know this mean bye bye....
Muuuhhh
muuuhhh
bye bye...not, given your continued delustions and ignorance of science:
Your notion of RAM is a delusion:
Experimental evidence shows that "kinetic resistence" (RAM) does not exist
Your "central gravity is a debunked fantasy:
The ignorance of science that you have shown in this forum is well documented:
 
You are dreaming
The only place proof for that nonsense exist , - is in your fantasy.
RAM is a fact by any motion..

No matter how many times you repeat this, it remains wrong. I also notice that you are not able to provide evidence for your claim.

And the fact is that you cannot imagine how the universe looks like at the speed c, My friend at that speed, - from the perspective of c, - speed do not exist.
Live with it.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Sure, it is next to impossible to imagine what the universe would look like to a photon, but speed/time will certainly be observable. Imagine a photon coming from the Andromeda Galaxy, and speeding towards Earth:

From the POV of the photon, it will cover the 2.9 million light-years in zero time, arriving in the moment it started. However, all the way it will 'meet' other photons coming from the Milky Way (our galaxy), and during the instance of its travel it will 'see' the Milky Way turn approximately 30o. So somehow, speed time and distance will stil lbe observable, although in a way that a human finds ddifficult to imagine.

But zero m/s (without unit) seen from the perspective of a photon or anything else that really or hypothetical would or could move with that “speed” > ‘c’.

No. You can use c as a constant, as I do when I say the spaceship is moving at 0.99c, but there is still a speed unit implied. If you use c as a constant, then 'c' becomes the unit. However, c can never be expressed as a number without a unit. (Hint: Zero is also a number)

And since you seem to be seriously trying here, we continue:

And this is where the chain went off.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

The KE increase (or ‘E’ consumption to reach a certain speed) must be understood as ‘v’ relative to ‘c’.

Yes, and here 'c' is used as a constant.

‘KE’ increase (or ‘E’ consumption to reach a certain speed) is of course equal proportional to the value of RAM, - this can’t be different and is of course also the only mathematical possibility….

There is no RAM in that formula. It expresses the increase in KE, and only that. The function is exponential, so at velocities that are a considerable fraction of c, more and more input energy is converted to KE for less and less increase in speed. However, if the enrgy input stops, the KE stays constant infinitely, as long as no forces act on the object.

So ‘v’ relative to ‘c’, - shows how much speed it is possible to get per Joule.
Or how much less speeds you get per Joule you spend.

Yes, however, the joules you do not get speed for are converted to KE.

Gradually less speed per joule = means there MUST be a RAM factor invloved in that equation, - and this can only be ‘c’.

No, it is a resistance to change in speed. The balance is constant, so that each joule you add is converted to KE, but because the mass increases, this means that the speed increase is correspondigly smaller. If you stop the energy input, the KE remains constant.

A resistance against movement would imply that with no energy input, KE would fall, and we can observe that this does not happen.

This part of it is really quite simple.

Hans
 
A Muon clearly demonstrates that time and distance seen from its own perspective is much different than ours.

Yes, yes, we have already agreed on that.

A Muon can impossible agree with you that reality is like the way you see it.

Wrong; it is the same reality, from different viewpoints. If I were moving at the speed of the muon (unlike photons, this is actually possible) I would see reality in exactly the same way as the muon.

The way you measure distance and the time of a photon moving with ‘c’ can impossible be the same as seen from the perspective of a muon or a photon.

That sentence does not make sense, gramatically.

If you would say it takes 8 minutes from a Photon from the Sun to reach us, the Muon would say that it is lie, it takes MUCH less. (A photon would say it take no time).

Yes, and?

If you would say it is 1E11 meter to the Sun the Muon would say it is much less. The Photon would say there is no distance.

No, that is not true. Just as I can observe the photon and muon moving at their respecive speeds and taking their respective times, they can observe time as it changes in my end of the persspective. All are part of the same reality, and we can easily calculate the other's reality.

The Further the muon is approaching ‘c’ – the bigger a lie is our reality .

No lie at all. On Sunday, I will fly to China. On the way, I will look down on the city of Ulan Bator from 11km, and I will see some tiny specs scattered on low, rolling hills. At the same time, someone in Ulan Bator will look up. He will see houses and mountains around him and a tiny airplane high in the sky. None of our viewpoints will be a lie, we will just see the same reality from two different directions.

In the same way, I could call you on the phone on Monday and tell you the time is 16:00. However, on your watch, it will be 11:00. Still no lies, just different parts of the same reality.

If the muon would be a particle (with the name cow) with mass, moving with the same speed as the muon, the cow would agree with the muon that yours reality was a lie.

I wouldn't know. I never speak to cows.:rolleyes:

*snipped, bovine excrement*
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If you don't know this mean bye bye....

Yes, thank you, do us that favor. Physics are not for you, go back to selling car parts, you seem to be good at that.

Hans
 
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In the same way, I could call you on the phone on Monday and tell you the time is 16:00. However, on your watch, it will be 11:00. Still no lies, just different parts of the same reality.

Oops, the times will be 16:00 and 09:00, respectively. Duh!

... But, even cows should get the point.

Hans
 
We know that only observers can measure things. Photons, muons, protons, etc. are not observers. They have no perspective. They do not measure anything.

Oooohhh now I understand you haven't got it.
Here we go > A cow moving so fast as a muon can measure its speed relative to a photon ("c") and its reality would not be the same as a human, down in NZ (with concrete in his head) .
 
A Muon clearly demonstrates that time and distance seen from its own perspective is much different than ours.

A Muon can impossible agree with you that reality is like the way you see it.

The way you measure distance and the time of a photon moving with ‘c’ can impossible be the same as seen from the perspective of a muon or a photon.

If you would say it takes 8 minutes from a Photon from the Sun to reach us, the Muon would say that it is lie, it takes MUCH less. (A photon would say it take no time).

If you would say it is 1E11 meter to the Sun the Muon would say it is much less. The Photon would say there is no distance.

The Further the muon is approaching ‘c’ – the bigger a lie is our reality .

If the muon would be a particle (with the name cow) with mass, moving with the same speed as the muon, the cow would agree with the muon that yours reality was a lie.

The cow and the muon would also agree that the more they was speeding up, the bigger a lie would our reality be.

And they would agree that the more they was approaching c, the bigger a lie would it be that ‘c’ is a speed.

The cow would also know that it would require a huge amount of KE to move from it’s present speed to almost ‘c’ .

A cow would also know that mathematical this must be treated as RAM, which mean that the cow would achieve less and less speed per Joule, due to increasing RAM


To make a long history short:

When the cow gradually is speeding up time would tick slower and slower, and distances would certainly be shorter and shorter.

Hence a 362456439 % idiotic, 478534534 % brain damage and 3456346834 % senile cow would understand, that when the cow is approaching c, speed must be slower and distance shorter.

Hence so sick a cow certainly would understand that at ‘c’ where time is zero the cow would not move anymore, because nothing can move when there is no time, and when distances no longer exist, seen for the moving objects own perspective. .

So all cows do understand that when approaching c, - they will actually moves slower and slower.

This is also what the fast-moving-cow-equation is about.

RC and Hans down on the Earth is not part of the fast-moving-cow-transformation-reality-process where everything is completely deforming.

Hence when a fast moving cow actually mathematical can prove it is moving slower and slower when approaching ‘c’, - Hans and RC would see it form the stupid-Earth-reality; - as the cow was moving faster and faster.

Hence Hans, Rc & Co would never accept anything else as what they could see, and off course ready to reject mathematical fact and off course all other realeties except their own.

For Cows, - different realities are not strange, - cows accept and understand special relativity, - and cows know that there are million stupid people on the Earth that haven’t understood anything.

It can almost be compared with psychopathic, in the sense that there are people on Earth that only can comprehend there own reality, even though they all moves with the same Earth-speed as other people) .

But well, it is no much to do about it except to say muuuhhh...

Muuuh cow at almost c is moving very slow, seen from its own perspective
Muuuh cow approaching c is moving gradually slower, seen from its own perspective, but seen from stupid Earth is a lie, and the only fanatic truth is the opposite;- that muhh cow is moving faster and faster.

We are muuuuhing about what happens just before the cows max speed is reach.. then it will remarkable beging to move slower and slower seen from the muuhh cows own perspective.

The eqaution is about what happen with the fast moving muuuhh cows reality, not what happen in Wellington or Copenhagen when someone see a fast moving cow

We have reach the end......

Muuuhhh
muuuhhh

If you don't know this mean bye bye....

You really should stop molesting those cows. PETA will be all over this.
 
Oooohhh now I understand you haven't got it.
Here we go > A cow moving so fast as a muon can measure its speed relative to a photon ("c") and its reality would not be the same as a human, down in NZ (with concrete in his head) .
Oooohhh now we understand you still haven't got it.
Here we go >
A cow moving so fast as a muon can measure its speed relative to a photon ("c") and its reality would be the same as a human, up in Denmark (with concrete in his head).
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There is only one reality. It is that reality that we live in. It is the one that experiments and observations measure. It is the one that scientific theories describe.
In that reality photons always move at the speed of light ("c"). We know this because that is a postulate of special relativity and special relativity describes how the universe works.

It is not the imaginary/delusional/non-physical reality that you live in.
 
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