Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Light moves at the speed of light.

If you was riding a cow with the speed c and looking at your watch

Would it :
  • Tick faster
  • Tick slower
  • Not ticking at all.

Everyone's reality as onlooker is COMPELETELY relevant.

But yours reality doesn’t affects the reality of the cow moving with c, - right ?
We are talking about 2 different realities, only one of these are relevant for the equation, and it is NOT yours, - because you are not approaching or moving with c, - it is the cows reality that count my dear, because the cow is moving fast and hence it is the cows reality we are discussion with regards to the outcome of the equation.


If yours reality should be affected then yours mass + KE (etc…..etc…..) should increase when you just were looking at a galaxy moving with huge speed. - I believe you are not so nuts you also believe this is the case.

More ignorance from you, Bjarne.
Special relativity is always about observers and what they measure, e.g. time dilation, length contraction, relativistic mass increase, etc.
And the simple fact is that the speed of light is a speed..

Not for the cow moving with c, because even a cow know there is no time at that speed my dear. – And hence off course also no distances. 90 % of 10 years school old boys know this too.

The purpose of the Lorentz factor is to allow that calculation of many quantities including velocity. Only an idiot would think that the speed of light is impossible. Light travels at it.

It is impossible for matter. Only a idiot would think matter could meve with c.
Because it is a limit > 100 % RAM. – This is the one factor of the eqaution my dear.

Cows have known this is 8 billion years.

NO Bjarne, - you are so cow stupid wrongRAM does not exist

All we know according to special relativity is Math, - denying a mathematical fact means you have nothing left , even not an idea, - why it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.

Its not enough to cling to the expression; > “it is because of special relativity” , exactly that stupid would it be to say that the cause of a cow; > “is because it is a cow”.

REMEMBER to answer the question:

If you was riding a cow with the speed c and looking at your watch

Would it :
  • Tick faster
  • Tick slower
  • Not ticking at all.
 
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If you was riding a cow with the speed c and looking at your watch

Would it :
  • Tick faster
  • Tick slower
  • Not ticking at all.
You forgot the right answer: Tick at normal speed.

Time is moving normally for everybody. It is when watches are compared between entities moving at different speeds that the differences appear. For the light-speed cow, the clock of everything else would appear to be standing still.
 
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The “”speed”” is not a speed, for the one (photon or a hypothetical cow) that move that fast.

c is a speed. It is objectively measured to299,792,458 m/s in a vacuum.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

Photons and other particles without mass move with c (the speed of light). What happens to an object with mass at c is academical, because it is not possible for an object with mass to move with c.

And this “place” is parts of the equation, since it is the propotionals motion of matter MATTER and "c" (100 % full resistance) that count , - this is what this equation is about

It is not resistance that keeps an object from being accelerated to c. It is the fact that its mass would be infinite at c, so the energy required ot accelerate it to c would also be infinite.

Therefore "c" is in this case rather a wall as speed. It is a "border" to a dimension without units., and to a "place" where time and distances under no circumstances can exsist.

No, it is a speed, which is measured in distance/time. Since there are tings that move with this speed (e.g. light) we can measure it directly and objectively.

Tell me have you ever hear about that if a cow moves faster as “c”, - then it will moves backwards in time. ?

That is a science fiction concept. Since nothing can move faster than c, it is at best academical. It is also probably wrong.

I believe 90 % of all 10 years old boys have heard that.

Cows and 10 year old boys are not very useful sources for science. Bjarne, you are neither a cow, nor a 10 year old. You are an adult, so kindly start acting like one.

Particle in motion is dragging a magnetic field in its wake.
This is energy, who do you think will “pay for this E-bill” ?

Only a charged particle. However, if a charged particle is moving in space, there is no loss due to this magnet field. The dragging magnet field simply causes the particle to also act like an EM wave. An electron can fly all across the universe, and never loose energy.

The reason particles in the Hadron Collider loose energy is that they induce a current in the nearby metal parts, and this causes a loss.

A magnetic field + RAM are 2 side of the same count.

No. If it was, there would be no RAM for non charged particles, including cows. However, there is no such thing as RAM.

Hans
 
I think we may need to get this more on a bovine brain level, so I'll try to express the question in a way that may be comprehensible for Bjarne.
So, let's make a small scenario.

We're on the good starship "Exilone", en-route to the Andromeda Galaxy. The Exilone is powered by the new Positron Improbability drive and is able to attain a cruising speed of 299792457.5 m/s.

Bjarne applied for a position on the expedition as Chief Scientist, but after reviewing his qualifications, they took him on as Janitor and go-for.

In our scenario, Bjarne has just been to the galley in the aft of the ship to fetch a freeze-dried Instant Chicken-and-Bacon sandwich ("Just add saliva") for the skipper's lunch, and starts to wards the cockpit, 120m away in the nose of the Exilone.

The Exilone is moving at 0.5 m/s less than c. Normal walking speed is about 2 m/s.'

Which of the following answers is true:

a) Bjarne has to walk very slowly in order not to exceed c, so he takes 30 minutes to deliver the sandwich, leaving the skipper mighty annoyed.

b) Bjarne walks briskly to wards the cockpit. This makes him exceed the speed of light and he goes back wards in time and delivers the sandwich for the skipper's breakfast, leaving the skipper mighty annoyed, since he already had breakfast.

c) Bjarne walks briskly to wards the cockpit, thus delivering the sandwich in 5 minutes, leaving the skipper mighty annoyed, because he ordered a cheese and ham sandwich. In reality, it takes Bjarne 517,912 years to reach the cockpit, but due to time dilation the time feels normal to everyone on board.

d) Bjarne walks as quickly as he can, but because at this speed he has a mass the size of Jupiter, he takes 517,912 years to reach the cockpit, leaving the skipper mighty annoyed (not to mention quite hungry).

e) Bjarne walks briskly to wards the cockpit; this makes him exceed c, and he enters into a wormhole and emerges in the chorus girls' dressing room at the Restaurant At The End of The Universe. Unfortunately, all the chorus girls are reptoid aliens, to they make love to the sandwich and eat Bjarne for lunch. The skipper is mighty annoyed at missing his lunch.


Hans
 
All we know according to special relativity is Math, - denying a mathematical fact means you have nothing left , even not an idea, - why it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.
It is because the mass is increasing. That is the essential of e=mc2.

As speed increases, mass increases and time slows down. This is true for all speeds, but at the speeds of people, cows, cars, and aeroplanes, the difference is so small that we can ignore it, and add speeds linearly. For space probes, it begins to count, and for speeds that are a considerable fraction of c, it makes a huge difference.

For the particles in the Large Hadron Collider, the vast majority of the energy put into them serves to get them the last few % to their near light speed.

Hans
 
You forgot the right answer: Tick at normal speed.Time is moving normally for everybody.It is when watches are compared between entities moving at different speeds that the differences appear. For the light-speed cow, the clock of everything else would appear to be standing still.
Concrete
How can something then travel back in time so soon c is exceeded?

Photons and other particles without mass move with c (the speed of light). What happens to an object with mass at c is academical, because it is not possible for an object with mass to move with c.

Right
But still you can compare motion to the impossible limit, and this is what the equation does.

If you were sitting on a photon travelling with c there would not be any time. This is the "wall" that equation is up agianst.

That is a science fiction concept. Since nothing can move faster than c, it is at best academical. It is also probably wrong.

Still it shows that c is a "superposition for time", it is a zero point for time as well as for distances. .

if a charged particle is moving in space, there is no loss due to this magnet field
Finally

An electron can fly all across the universe, and never lose energy.
All particles that gains mass due to speed, drags a magnetic field in its wake, so simple is that.

Which of the following answers is true:

I have another better and shorter true version, approved both by both cows and scientist.

Hans is inventing a machine that can fire a ray faster as c.
Now he fire that that ray to the mirror on the moon, - the ray returns and moves back to the Earth (still with c+) - and the result is that the ray returns before the machine that fired that ray is invented.

THIS is a inevitable result of exceeding c.
Take it or leaves it, this is a common knowledge.
Sorry I begin to be tired to teach you guys this.
Please from now on try this instead > http://www.mothercow.org

Bjarne
All we know according to special relativity is Math, - denying a mathematical fact means you have nothing left , even not an idea, - why it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.
Hans
It is because the mass is increasing. That is the essential of e=mc2.
The mass increase is only a part of the phenomena.
You have no idea how the transformation process REALLY works >> Speed >> Mass, that the point.
And further the point is ALSO = RAM - This is all you have. THIS is a mathematical FACT.

Try at least to understand how speed is converted to mass first, - before you blap la la blab la too much.
A half wind can easy sound stupid you know , - like if an idiot would claim that the cause the blue sky; - is that there is a lot of (blue) oxygen in it. Well there is a gram of truth in such statement, but fare from the full truth. I am not asking for a stupid half wind.

As speed increases, mass increases and time slows down. This is true for all speeds, but at the speeds of people, cows, cars, and airplanes, the difference is so small that we can ignore it, and add speeds linearly. For space probes, it begins to count, and for speeds that are a considerable fraction of c, it makes a huge difference.
1/√(1 - v²/c²)
It doesn’t change the fact that “c” in the equation we are talking about must be understood as “full resistance” – // impossible speed.
"v" is the relative speed compared to the impossible speed.
AND THAT'S IT.

The speed, mass, space-time, of RC or Hans, - is completely irrelevant. - This reality id NOT part of the equation we are dicussing....

"c" has 2 reality.
One for mother cow moving that fast, and one for the a observer not involved inb that "speed".
It is mother cow that moves,, - THIS is what we are discussing and how the reality of mother cow really is, - from 0 to c.....

I guess we all agree that RC is NOT mother Cow, either is Hans and Stenkh - Right ?

For the particles in the Large Hadron Collider, the vast majority of the energy put into them serves to get them the last few % to their near light speed.
The MF created by the particles interacts with the MF of the accelerator.
 
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Bjarne, why does CERN work if they don't know what they are talking about.

Paul

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Concrete
How can something then travel back in time so soon c is exceeded?

You can't exceed c. The travelling back in time is speculation.

If you were sitting on a photon travelling with c there would not be any time. This is the "wall" that equation is up agianst.

And this is relevant how?

Still it shows that c is a "superposition for time", it is a zero point for time as well as for distances. .

What is that supposed to mean?

All particles that gains mass due to speed, drags a magnetic field in its wake, so simple is that.

Simple, yes. Wrong, yes.

Bjarne, only charged particles create magnet fields, period. Live with it.

Hans is inventing a machine that can fire a ray faster as c.
Now he fire that that ray to the mirror on the moon, - the ray returns and moves back to the Earth (still with c+) - and the result is that the ray returns before the machine that fired that ray is invented.

Gibberish.

THIS is a inevitable result of exceeding c.
Take it or leaves it, this is a common knowledge.

It is common speculation, but since we have yet to observe anything that can exceed the speed of light, it is irrelevant.

I'm not surprised you could not answer the question I posted.

Sorry I begin to be tired to teach you guys this.
Please from now on try this instead

You can't teach anybody anything, because you don't know anything.

The mass increase is only a part of the phenomena.
You have no idea how the transformation process REALLY works >> Speed >> Mass, that the point.

It is not a transformation process.

And further the point is ALSO = RAM - This is all you have. THIS is a mathematical FACT.

No. No matter how often you repeat this, it is still wrong. And no, there is no math that supports it.

Hans
 
You can't exceed c. The travelling back in time is speculation.
Off course you can’t, I to do not support such crap.
We are just speaking about pure mathematical facts.
But math does not always reflect reality, I totally agree.

Now the point > still time is zero for the cow moving with the impossible speed = c. THIS is the point and this is the one factor in that equation.

Bjarne, only charged particles create magnet fields, period. Live with it.
I do, - what do you think “charged” really means?

Gibberish
Off course c+ is rubbish, - but still time is zero for a cow moving with c. – THIS is the point.

Many Serious “”scientist” bla la blap about travelling back in time.
I do not support such rubbish > BUT still time is zero for the cow moving with the impossible "speed" > c. – THIS is the point.

I'm not surprised you could not answer the question I posted.
Ohhh my friend, - I am Lazy to read that big history, anddid only made it more simple and short.

YES travelling back in time is rubbish, to make a long history short.
> BUT still time is zero for the cow moving with c. – THIS is the point.

It is not a transformation process.
Of course it is, if you make butter to cheese, this is also a “transformation process” exactly as you transforms 220V 100A to 22V 1000A or if you could transform a cow to a horse that would also be a transformation process. – So when you transform speed to matter this as well is a transformation process.

No. No matter how often you repeat this, it is still wrong. And no, there is no math that supports it.
There is, but the fact you don’t understand how speed of matter is transformed to more mass, - does not make a truth to a lie.

The fact that you believe in the nuts half brained obtuseness creeds that RAM not applies by constant speed does also not make a truth to a lie.

You have no evidence what so ever to claim that RAM only applies by constant speed, only old mossy orthodox rubbish without any objective substance - what so ever.

Live with it.

Amen
 
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Bjarne, since it's impossible for a cow to move at c, it's not a valid frame of reference. Whatever nonsense you want to make up about c not being a speed in that frame of reference is completely irrelevant, since it starts with an impossible premise.

In every valid frame of reference, light travels at c.
 
Bjarne, since it's impossible for a cow to move at c, it's not a valid frame of reference. Whatever nonsense you want to make up about c not being a speed in that frame of reference is completely irrelevant, since it starts with an impossible premise..

Mathematical you can compare your strength with the strength of superman, also even though superman does not exist, and even though you NEVER would reach his strength.

In every valid frame of reference, light travels at c
No, not if YOU (or matter would move that fast as c or near that speed) – and THIS is what this equation is about.

It is about your speed compared to the impossible limit.

It is NOT about how you from your reality (of no motion) looks at speed at the photon or a cow.

Lean from the Myon, this is the classic example that proves that your reality is not the ultimate truth, and not the only reality.

c, is for the one that moves so fast a “zero point” a point of; no motion, - and no time, a point of total resistance.

It is not a mathematical problem that (you riding) the wild cow actually NEVER would reach that impossible speed, still the “speed” c, - is in this framework a factor of 100 % resistance against motion (RAM)

You can compared it to that you never would be so strong as superman, - BUT the fact that superman is stronger than you is still a mathematical FACT.

You can use superman as a valid real role model, and you can compare your strength every week, and after training you can say this week my strength is 10% next week 15 % etc, of the strength of superman.

You do not need to reach the strength of superman, you can always compare with the impossible ultimate limit.

THIS is what this equation does.

Now you do only need to understand that superman lives a place without units.
 
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You can compared it to that you never would be so strong as superman, - BUT the fact that superman is stronger than you is still a mathematical FACT.
Two problems:

Superman doesn't exist, the speed of light does.

You can't measure the strength of superman, you can measure the speed of light.
 
If you was riding a cow with the speed c and looking at your watch

Would it :
  • Tick faster
  • Tick slower
  • Not ticking at all.
None of the above.
The watch runs at the same rate all the time.

But yours reality doesn’t affects the reality of the cow moving with c, - right ?
We are talking about 2 different realities, only one of these are relevant for the equation, and it is NOT yours, - because you are not approaching or moving with c, - it is the cows reality that count my dear, because the cow is moving fast and hence it is the cows reality we are discussion with regards to the outcome of the equation.
Wrong.
The reality of the universe that I am in ("my reality") affects the reality of the cow moving with c.
There is only one reality - the one of the universe that I and the cow live in. This just not happens to be the universe that you live in.
In the cow's frame of reference everything is normal. The cow's clock ticks along. The cow measures it length as a cow length. All of the laws of physics apply to it just as they apply to the rest of the universe.

If yours reality should be affected then yours mass + KE (etc…..etc…..) should increase when you just were looking at a galaxy moving with huge speed. - I believe you are not so nuts you also believe this is the case.
If a galaxy moves with huge speed it has huge KE whether anyone looks at it or not. If I measure a galaxy moving at a huge speed than it has a huge KE. If its speed is not measured to chaneg its KE remains teh same.

Not for the cow moving with c, because even a cow know there is no time at that speed my dear. – And hence off course also no distances. 90 % of 10 years school old boys know this too.
Also for the cow moving with c, because even a cow know there is time at that speed my dear. – And hence of course also distances. 99% of 10 years school old boys know this too.

It is impossible for matter. Only a idiot would think matter could meve with c.
Because it is a limit > 100 % RAM. – This is the one factor of the eqaution my dear.
That is almost right :jaw-dropp.
Matter cannot be accelerated to the speed of light.
Light is not matter. It has no mass. It always travels at the speed of light.
This is one factor that leads to special relativity.


RAM does not exist:
Experimental evidence shows that "kinetic resistence" (RAM) does not exist
All we know according to special relativity is Math, - denying a mathematical fact means you have nothing left , even not an idea, - why it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.

Wrong yet again.
  • Special relativity is an experimentally verified scientific theory.
  • I do not deny it.
  • It is a mathematical fact.
  • It is a physical fact.
  • Special relativity is the reason that it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.
    The basic reason is that the speed of light is the same for all observers in inertial reference frames.
 
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Off course you can’t, I to do not support such crap.
We are just speaking about pure mathematical facts.
But math does not always reflect reality, I totally agree.

OK, good so far.


Now the point > still time is zero for the cow moving with the impossible speed = c. THIS is the point and this is the one factor in that equation.

Not quite. A Steen already mentioned, the cow won't notice. If you travel at the speed of light, you still perceive time to go as always. However, to the external observer, your time has stopped, or rather, is moving infinitely slowly.

I do, - what do you think “charged” really means?

Charged means that the particle has a charge that is different from zero. An electron has a negative charge, a protron has an equal positive charge. A neutron has zero charge.

Ohhh my friend, - I am Lazy to read that big history, anddid only made it more simple and short.

Too lazy to read a fairly short post, but not too lazy to post tons of nonsense.

YES travelling back in time is rubbish, to make a long history short.
> BUT still time is zero for the cow moving with c. – THIS is the point.

So, what do you conclude from this?

Of course it is, if you make butter to cheese, this is also a “transformation process” exactly as you transforms 220V 100A to 22V 1000A or if you could transform a cow to a horse that would also be a transformation process. – So when you transform speed to matter this as well is a transformation process.

However, we don't transform speed to matter. We don't even transform it to mass, but the mass of an object depends on its speed.

The fact that you believe in the nuts half brained obtuseness creeds that RAM not applies by constant speed does also not make a truth to a lie.

There is no such thing as RAM, and there is no math that indicates it. There is objective evidence that there is no resistance to motion.

Hans
 
Two problems:Superman doesn't exist, the speed of light does..
The equation has nothing with motion of photons to do, but what happens to matter due to RAM

You can't measure the strength of superman, you can measure the speed of light.
You can also not move with the speed c, but this is what the ultimate reality in that equation is about.

There is only one reality - the one of the universe that I and the cow live in.
Nonsense
Try to listen
All the Myons are laughing at you.
Can you hear it ?

If a galaxy moves with huge speed it has huge KE whether anyone looks at it or not. If I measure a galaxy moving at a huge speed than it has a huge KE. If its speed is not measured to chaneg its KE remains teh same.
But still it is the galaxy that moves not you.
Hence it is also the galaxy that is up against RAM, and in its ultimate consequence up against 100 % resistances > c < This is what the equation is about.

Also for the cow moving with c, because even a cow know there is time at that speed my dear.
Still Myons and photons laugh at you.
Listen.......
Can’t you hear it?

Matter cannot be accelerated to the speed of light.
Light is not matter. It has no mass. It always travels at the speed of light.This is one factor that leads to special relativity.
Still you don’t understand that c is a “place” without time, and factor that shows 100% RAM against motion of matter. – It is a “zero point” of speed. It is total RAM, It is no motion, and no time.
Special relativity is an experimentally verified scientific theory.
And the ultimate essences of the math / equation is still that RAM is 100% by c, and always a "place" without time, and without units.
 
Not quite. A Steen already mentioned, the cow won't notice. If you travel at the speed of light, you still perceive time to go as always. However, to the external observer, your time has stopped, or rather, is moving infinitely slowly.
Crap.
A external observer (eg: on the Earth), would see a fast object by the speed c, - e.g: a photon moving from the Sun to the Earth in only 8 min.
But for a photon or a cow traveling with c, - time do no longer exist, the watch will not tick

Bjarne
YES travelling back in time is rubbish, to make a long history short.
> BUT still time is zero for the cow moving with c. – THIS is the point.
Hans
So, what do you conclude from this?

For a body that moves with c, - c-plus or c-minus
  • “c” is a magic zero point, where time do no longer exsist.
  • “c-plus” time exist, and ticks backwards (hypotetical)
  • “c-minus” time exist and tick forwards The point, is that >c< is a zero point without unit.

However, we don't transform speed to matter. We don't even transform it to mass, but the mass of an object depends on its speed.
No
Speed of matter is converted to real mass.

There is no such thing as RAM, and there is no math that indicates it.
It requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed. = RAM
There is objective evidence that there is no resistance to motion.
Crap.
 
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