Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Drewbot]

The first poster who correctly identifies the movie receives a Pattycake as trophy.

At the Earth's Core

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074157/

 

[Drewbot]

Hey Drew, this is from the BFRO Vancouver Island expedition thread I linked earlier. Anything here strike you as being attributable to sleep paralysis/hallucination?:

In this case, it is classic sleep paralysis.

If you go to this website, http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro00/web1/Takahashi.html you will see the events listed in the first line of the paper. And it will be echoed on other sleep paralyisis sites if you want to dig deeper.

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After a few hours of sleep I was partially awake

Subject thinks they are awake, but are really in a dream state, semi-awake
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I found myself unable to move or do anything

Sleep paralysis, subject is conscious, but body is still in a deep dream state.
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so I tried to just get his attention by calling his name. I couldn稚 even do that!

See http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/sleepparalysi1/a/soundssp.htm

At this point I can not speak, or move. I've been frightened by this, and have tried to call out to someone

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I felt something pressing softly on my right side

From the first website above:

... or feel someone sitting on his chest

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I heard something approaching the camp site through the undergrowth

From the first website again:

He also may hear footsteps

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You might say, 'yeah, but the other guy heard it too', How many times have you been camping and heard a deer, or a bear or even a raccoon moving around your campsite? I've heard it a lot. So maybe the guy confirmed that he heard footsteps but that could be normal outdoor animal activity.

All of these are symptoms of classic sleep paralysis, and while some are not swayed, the logical people have to see that with five (5) symptoms exactly duplicated in this report, that it can only be attributed to this.

 

[Drewbot]

I just came up with a theory. It involves the paid expeditions by the various BF orgs.
Here is a short screen play

King of BF: How can we get these people to think they had a bigfoot encounter?

Chief Medical Officer of BF: Well, we could hike them all over the place, get them really tired, then scare them with campfire tales, just enough!, so that they find it impossible to sleep soundly, they will then experience sleep paralysis.

King of BF: Then the next morning, we will tell them that we heard footsteps last night, and that we have heard of many reports of BF pressing on their chest cavity.

C.M.O of BF: not too many people know about sleep paralysis, and if anyone mentions it, we will say that that is the excuse skeptics give for anything they can't explain.

King of BF: BINGO, run with that.

 

[William Parcher]

CMO: But then again, we face our own dilemma.
King: How so?
CMO: We will be tired too and have our own sleep paralysis episode. We won't be able to determine if we've dreamed a Bigfoot or had a real one enter our camp.
King: Oh, right. Do you think it matters?
CMO: I don't care if Bigfoot actually exists.
King: Me either.

 

[Correa Neto]

At the Earth's Core

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074157/

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand theeee wiiiiineeeer iiiis...

DREWBOT!

 

[Drewbot]

CMO: But then again, we face our own dilemma.
King: How so?
CMO: We will be tired too and have our own sleep paralysis episode. We won't be able to determine if we've dreamed a Bigfoot or had a real one enter our camp.
King: Oh, right. Do you think it matters?
CMO: I don't care if Bigfoot actually exists.
King: Me either.

Continuation

CFO: Excuse me... ummm... do you think we could charge $50.00 more per outing? I think our price point becomes much more agreeable if the clients believe they had a nightime encounter with a BF.
King: IT'S TOO GOT-DAM EASY!

 

[kitakaze]

In this case, it is classic sleep paralysis.

I would say there's really no doubt about it here. I have no problem with the supposed confirmation:

I went to Rob and asked if he herd anything last night, and he said frankly, 土es I did・ 的 heard something walking all around our site・ He described the exact same sounds that I heard. So that痴 when I told him what I experienced, saying I must have been exhausted and only imagined what took place. He replied, 典hat痴 exactly what so many people have reported, while out camping・ Apparently, this is one of the things Saquatch will do in an inquisitive sort of way, just gently touch people while they池e sleeping・
If that is what happened, it freaked me out! However, I can稚 say for sure because I was apparently too tired, which is strange since I normally wake up between 2:30 and 3:30 am every day.

That morning at the gathering of people in the woods of Van Isle hoping for a bigfoot encounter:


Dave: Hey Rob, did you uh... hear anything last night?

Rob: Movement? I heard it too! Like someone or something moving around. I think we may have been visited.

Dave: Actually maybe I was just imagining things but I think something touched me while I lay in my tent.

Rob: Imagination? I doubt it. Many people report such things. I think we may have been visited.



...Sociology 101, nice to see you.

 

[kitakaze]

What pancake video?

MOTS, I'm having a couple bugs with my posting features right now so I can't give you a direct link but check the thread titled 'ORV Kentucky Video Stills' in the video section of the BFF.

Maybe after for a little added perspective read 'When does BFRO "research" resemble religion?' under Websites and Organizations.

 

[LTC8K6]

Shouldn't we be able to see more tracks in this shot?

Given the stride length in this video, shouldn't we see another track or three behind Roger?

http://www.southwestdj.com/patterson.html

 

[Drewbot]

A. That's the one that they covered with a bucket
B. They haven't made them ones yet
C. Dermal Ridges
D. Mid Tarsal Break

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/films/pgf_sequence.htm

Why is there one perfect, castable track in the middle of all those useless ones?

 

[tube]

To create something of a summary of the issues regarding Patterson's "plaster pour" film segment and the "cast display" film segment, I've decided to create a webpage about it here:

http://www.orgoneresearch.com/roger_patterson.htm

An interesting possibility as to the origin of the "plaster pour" sequence is given by none other than Grover Krantz himself.

 

[SweatyYeti]

From Tube's webpage....

Meldrum's account of the events contradicts Chris Murphy's.

So what?
Maybe Chris Murphy's version is wrong.

In what way does that increase the likelihood of the PG film being a hoax?

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, they filmed Bigfoot at 1:30ish, ran out of film, chased down the pack horse, re-loaded the camera, followed Bigfoot for 3.5 miles, went back to camp for plaster, filmed Roger casting the tracks, waited for the casting to harden, filmed Roger modeling the casts, all in good daylight, and then left to send off the film.

Is that about it? And that's giving them the 1:30 time.

I note that one of the casts has not been cleaned up and still shows the over pour.

 

[LTC8K6]

In what way does that increase the likelihood of the PG film being a hoax?

Who said it did?

Perhaps it will decrease it?

If/When we find out when/where the two were shot, maybe we'll know something.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

From Tube's webpage....



So what?
Maybe Chris Murphy's version is wrong.

In what way does that increase the likelihood of the PG film being a hoax?

In what way does it decrease the likelihood that there is no Bigfoot ?

 

[William Parcher]

... and Roger Knights will plant visions of sugarplums that dance in the heads of the Pattycakes. You see, Roger Patterson was a hapless and conniving man but he never did fake that Bigfoot. He may have made a phony track or two, and he may have filmed this or that. He may have exaggerated a thing or two. But when his camera was rolling on Patty, he was filming a real live Bigfoot. Those cowboy types are prone to spicing up any story and you never really know what really goes on in their world. But film doesn't lie, and we can all see the impossibly massive bidedal form as it effortlessly traverses that remote sandbar. Yesiree, that bit was a real Bigfoot. Knights will circle his wagons and lay another golden egg. You betcha!

 

[William Parcher]

Loren Coleman lays it on the line on Cryptomundo...

Please keep it on-topic, and away from personalized flaming exchanges or those comments will vanish. Also, do not even make comments or address them to others. Write each comment about the subject of the blog, not about motives and personalities of the other comment makers. Thank you.

Stop debating amongst each other. If you guys start disagreeing about cryptozoological things I'm just gonna have to shut you down.

 

[manofthesea]

manofthesea,

I linked to a lot of pictures that I was hosting on a now defunct site.

If you come across a missing image ( that was included in one of my posts ) that you would like to see, let me know, and I can re-host them..

This is one of my all-time favorites..

Patty's butt-twin .. A 1949 gorilla suit ..


[qimg]http://www.gatzstuff.com/images/Bigfoot/buttcomp.gif[/qimg]


I swear, the lower half of Patty could be the pants to that suit. Look at the pattern of lines on the upper thigh..

The proof is in the pictures. Arguments were very thorough. And fun.

 

[kitakaze]

In what way does that increase the likelihood of the PG film being a hoax?

Put a number on that yet, Sweaty? The likelihood of the PGF being a hoax, I mean. You have calculated that, right? We'd love to hear your math.