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.....Hello Harry, my goodness, we've covered alot of ground, haven't we? At least eleven going on twelve years.......eh? Time DOES fly..........
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......or he could say, "pssst, I've got something to show you, let's get in the back of my truck....)
First the pgf/"brodback mountain" film comparison. Now this. Maybe you are on a good lead here ?
kitakaze
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Where are all the zoobies lately?
Seems to be what's really bugging the Wn'W world lately is boredom. No dice, no love. Ah, those halycon days of the sixties and seventies, the golden age of bigfootery. The hoaxers put some elbow grease into it back then. Can't find a decent bigfoot trackway these days to save your life. Nothing but a wave of lazy half-ass youtube hoaxes. Poor footers have gone delirious with boredom. Evil skeptics have gone and taken apart all their best arguments and old stand-bys. Even their 40th Anniverasry International Symposium jamboree has been cancelled due to lack of ticket sales. Probably something to do $160 ticket price. Oh well, it certainly isn't a drought for those more interested in bigfootery and its perpetuators than bigfoot.
Here's a couple interesting discussions at the BFF I thought I might share:
There is no bigfoot.
Not all footers are bored stupid, some are bored smart. Here's a snippet from BFF moderator HarryHenderson's OP:
Also, the last two pages of the Gov't responsibility to find bigfoot thread started by trooper SaskepticI found quite interesting. No shortage of the standard excuses and fallbacks by bigfoot apologists. What's best is seeing Saskeptic and rockinkt take apart pseudo-intellectual Roger Knights and some pseudo-intellectual wannabe with the handle geogerm. It's funny watching Knights try his very best not to look silly. Good ol' Huntster shows up on the last page to stick it to the gubment. My favourite post from the thread by the aptly named Stumpknocker:
Oh and WP, I thought you might be interested to see that it seems Drew may have partially or temporarily regained his common sense:
August 2007 - Whitfield, Georgia.
June 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Very Joyce. Mother and daughter driving in Senaca Rocks National Recreational Area witness three (mother only saw two) skinny short hair zoobies which take a swan dive into the bushes after being spotted.
June 2007 - Lake County, Florida.
Are you staring at me? Young man and woman see maybe hairy stumpknocker in Flat Island Preserve.
August 2007 - Cassia County, Idaho.
Yahtzee! This one's got it all. Bad vibes, stick wacking, silenced surrounding wildlife, wicked stench, piercing yellow eyes, dog flipping out, possible elk predation. Former law enforcement deputy grandmother and son share encounter with stumpknocker with eyes 'yellow like the sun' and evil, menacing stare.
October 2005 - Fillmore County, Minnesota.
Not '07 like the rest but I included it because it is Minnesota and it is AWESOME! I love how it starts with "I tell this very hesitantly because I'm certain this will probably be ignored and maybe laughed at or eyes rolled back by you in disbelief." Dude, what? You're in there! Squirrel hunter (why?) sees two zoobies. One black, crest headed, and seemingly female. The other red, dome-headed and seemingly male. Upon being sighted first the black and then the red bolt at break-neck speed. The red almost bails when first making a break for it!
July 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Check it out, Senaca Rocks again. Male witness encounters 6.5 to 7ft zoobie with 10 inch orange-brown hair and thick black hands and feet while hiking. Photo of area included.
July 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Senaca Rocks... Hey BFRO, why don't you go do something about all the goddamn zoobies around Senaca Rocks? Just a thought. Man witnesses 6ft bulky zoobie with extremely long mossy greyish green hair ('it was the hairiest thing I've ever seen') while driving at night with girlfriend on US 33. Was the face visible or not? I smell ghillie suit.
January 2007 - Pedleton County, West Virginia.
This one ROCKS! 10 miles north of Senaca rocks. Let's everybody all freak out at once. Motorist on Highway 55 has amazing nightime stumpknocker encounter. After passing a gas station and school, just before the entrance to the park and the intersection to head to Harman, by a brick house man assumes to be owned by the government he sees ...
"At first I thought it was a man in a special forces outfit, some type of sniper gear."
"It was not really running more like a swaggering lope. It had long hair, what at first looked liked shredded material with clumps in it, hanging all off of its body."
"As I passed it I quickly noticed that it had this "covering" right up over its head."
He says it was about 20ft from him and he had a good look at it. He later describes to BFRO investigator Stephen Willis the creature having black mixed with gray dreadlocks. The man passes the creature and then DUDE TURNS HIS CAR AROUND...
OK, I'm definitely calling ghillie suit. I've actually been reading these things as I'm posting this. I was going to continue posting recent encounters. My intention was to post a selection of them and of course make comment on how they were coming from truly all over the place. So, to that end here's one more:
August 2006 - Northwestern Ontario.
Native woman sees squatch while cleaning cabin. Yes, yes, very truthy.
Anyway, I've come across a bit of a Senaca Rocks mystery I'd like to look into so what I'm going to do is check the BFRO listings for West Virginia's Pendleton County:
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=wv&county=Pendleton
And there's nine reports. Only one other Class A and it's close to Seneca Rocks but the report is very brief with no follow-up investigation. I'll post the whole thing:
Seems to be what's really bugging the Wn'W world lately is boredom. No dice, no love. Ah, those halycon days of the sixties and seventies, the golden age of bigfootery. The hoaxers put some elbow grease into it back then. Can't find a decent bigfoot trackway these days to save your life. Nothing but a wave of lazy half-ass youtube hoaxes. Poor footers have gone delirious with boredom. Evil skeptics have gone and taken apart all their best arguments and old stand-bys. Even their 40th Anniverasry International Symposium jamboree has been cancelled due to lack of ticket sales. Probably something to do $160 ticket price. Oh well, it certainly isn't a drought for those more interested in bigfootery and its perpetuators than bigfoot.
Here's a couple interesting discussions at the BFF I thought I might share:
There is no bigfoot.
Not all footers are bored stupid, some are bored smart. Here's a snippet from BFF moderator HarryHenderson's OP:
Also, the last two pages of the Gov't responsibility to find bigfoot thread started by trooper SaskepticI found quite interesting. No shortage of the standard excuses and fallbacks by bigfoot apologists. What's best is seeing Saskeptic and rockinkt take apart pseudo-intellectual Roger Knights and some pseudo-intellectual wannabe with the handle geogerm. It's funny watching Knights try his very best not to look silly. Good ol' Huntster shows up on the last page to stick it to the gubment. My favourite post from the thread by the aptly named Stumpknocker:
Man, no shortage of guys like that playing Wn'W. Basically almost every post in there by Stumpknocker is pure comedy gold.
Oh and WP, I thought you might be interested to see that it seems Drew may have partially or temporarily regained his common sense:
Which is funny considering considering your earlier quote of his:
Anyway, I feel like a bit of a killjoy pointing at the poo that bigfootery is standing in so if it's any reconciliation, I offer the following collection of recent bigfoot reports:
August 2007 - Whitfield, Georgia.
June 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Very Joyce. Mother and daughter driving in Senaca Rocks National Recreational Area witness three (mother only saw two) skinny short hair zoobies which take a swan dive into the bushes after being spotted.
June 2007 - Lake County, Florida.
Are you staring at me? Young man and woman see maybe hairy stumpknocker in Flat Island Preserve.
August 2007 - Cassia County, Idaho.
Yahtzee! This one's got it all. Bad vibes, stick wacking, silenced surrounding wildlife, wicked stench, piercing yellow eyes, dog flipping out, possible elk predation. Former law enforcement deputy grandmother and son share encounter with stumpknocker with eyes 'yellow like the sun' and evil, menacing stare.
October 2005 - Fillmore County, Minnesota.
Not '07 like the rest but I included it because it is Minnesota and it is AWESOME! I love how it starts with "I tell this very hesitantly because I'm certain this will probably be ignored and maybe laughed at or eyes rolled back by you in disbelief." Dude, what? You're in there! Squirrel hunter (why?) sees two zoobies. One black, crest headed, and seemingly female. The other red, dome-headed and seemingly male. Upon being sighted first the black and then the red bolt at break-neck speed. The red almost bails when first making a break for it!
July 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Check it out, Senaca Rocks again. Male witness encounters 6.5 to 7ft zoobie with 10 inch orange-brown hair and thick black hands and feet while hiking. Photo of area included.
July 2007 - Pendleton County, West Virginia.
Senaca Rocks... Hey BFRO, why don't you go do something about all the goddamn zoobies around Senaca Rocks? Just a thought. Man witnesses 6ft bulky zoobie with extremely long mossy greyish green hair ('it was the hairiest thing I've ever seen') while driving at night with girlfriend on US 33. Was the face visible or not? I smell ghillie suit.
January 2007 - Pedleton County, West Virginia.
This one ROCKS! 10 miles north of Senaca rocks. Let's everybody all freak out at once. Motorist on Highway 55 has amazing nightime stumpknocker encounter. After passing a gas station and school, just before the entrance to the park and the intersection to head to Harman, by a brick house man assumes to be owned by the government he sees ...
"At first I thought it was a man in a special forces outfit, some type of sniper gear."
"It was not really running more like a swaggering lope. It had long hair, what at first looked liked shredded material with clumps in it, hanging all off of its body."
"As I passed it I quickly noticed that it had this "covering" right up over its head."
He says it was about 20ft from him and he had a good look at it. He later describes to BFRO investigator Stephen Willis the creature having black mixed with gray dreadlocks. The man passes the creature and then DUDE TURNS HIS CAR AROUND...
OK, I'm definitely calling ghillie suit. I've actually been reading these things as I'm posting this. I was going to continue posting recent encounters. My intention was to post a selection of them and of course make comment on how they were coming from truly all over the place. So, to that end here's one more:August 2006 - Northwestern Ontario.
Native woman sees squatch while cleaning cabin. Yes, yes, very truthy.
Anyway, I've come across a bit of a Senaca Rocks mystery I'd like to look into so what I'm going to do is check the BFRO listings for West Virginia's Pendleton County:
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=wv&county=Pendleton
And there's nine reports. Only one other Class A and it's close to Seneca Rocks but the report is very brief with no follow-up investigation. I'll post the whole thing:
Right then, I'm off to look through the rest of the reports, check West Virginia a little more, and google Senaca Rocks. What I think I'm looking at is people having encounters with other people in ghillie suits. I'll be back with more.
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Yeah, I've been reading those threads with amusement. Bigfooters are always true-to-form and are really very predictable. There is a need/drive to maintain the myth and a healthy stock of believers. If anyone seems to be losing faith, you hit them with a powerful dose of Bigfoot reality. Ask your BF brothers who look like they are climbing the fence toward skepticism a few things to keep them on the correct side. Do you really think that thousands of people are wrong, lying or simply crazy? Do you think that I am lying or wrong about my own close encounter that left absolutely no doubts remaining that this creature exists?
It's interesting how HH's "no Bigfoot" thread went into questioning what is reality.
Drew didn't really regain common sense in any important way. AFAIK, he still strongly believes that Bigfoot exists.
A Bigfooter will tear you apart for suggesting the trucker dude saw a guy in a ghillie suit. You haven't explained how or why this guy would then make the sounds of laugh/squeal/grunt and knocking big wood. He saw a Bigfoot, you dope!
There is another must read BFF thread. Where is Bigfoot now? Here, Noll and others answer the question of why we see no new footprint castings. It's not that Bigfoot has vanished and we have no new evidence because of it. It's because Bigfooters themselves have evolved. When they find Bigfoot tracks (and they sure are), they don't bother to cast them anymore. This seems to be so for two reasons. First is because everyone just gang-piles and declares them hoaxes or something other than a BF track. Secondly is because these guys come across this evidence with enough frequency that they don't even feel their own personal need to make yet another BF footprint cast.
The result of that explanation is giving the minions a handle to grab onto that allows them to stengthen their belief in Bigfoot even in the absence of presented evidence. That is pure irony. The lack of newly presented evidence is caused by the complete certainty of the searchers that the animal exists. You know Bigfoot exists when experts like Noll completely stop making track casts.
It's interesting how HH's "no Bigfoot" thread went into questioning what is reality.
Drew didn't really regain common sense in any important way. AFAIK, he still strongly believes that Bigfoot exists.
A Bigfooter will tear you apart for suggesting the trucker dude saw a guy in a ghillie suit. You haven't explained how or why this guy would then make the sounds of laugh/squeal/grunt and knocking big wood. He saw a Bigfoot, you dope!
There is another must read BFF thread. Where is Bigfoot now? Here, Noll and others answer the question of why we see no new footprint castings. It's not that Bigfoot has vanished and we have no new evidence because of it. It's because Bigfooters themselves have evolved. When they find Bigfoot tracks (and they sure are), they don't bother to cast them anymore. This seems to be so for two reasons. First is because everyone just gang-piles and declares them hoaxes or something other than a BF track. Secondly is because these guys come across this evidence with enough frequency that they don't even feel their own personal need to make yet another BF footprint cast.
The result of that explanation is giving the minions a handle to grab onto that allows them to stengthen their belief in Bigfoot even in the absence of presented evidence. That is pure irony. The lack of newly presented evidence is caused by the complete certainty of the searchers that the animal exists. You know Bigfoot exists when experts like Noll completely stop making track casts.
kitakaze
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Crap! I just lost my whole response to WP. Grrr. Meh. Again.
Just off the top of my head, I can't help but wonder if julio12 on BFF is MultipleEncounters on cryptomundo.
I also couldn't help notice HairyMan/Kathy Strain's mention of her husband's encounter. I say this without any offense intended, Kathy, but it's not as if Bob's encounter was exactly close.
Somebody better tell poor Roger Knights the tree breaks aren't helping.
Cultish. Very cultish. I love the little language nuances that always seems to come up in these discussions where reality begins to seep in among footers. "Keep the faith." "I hear you, brother." "Be strong." It's about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Try Scientology, guys. They've got more money. I love the reactions. "He's joking. Is he joking?" "You're OP makes me sad." I love the complete blank drawn when member TimMcmanus reminds everyone in response to the assertion that not only wackos claim to have seen bigfoot:
Of course it's the inevitable post by the person who claims to have seen one to get the fretters to compose themselves. Enter julio12:
Phew! It's OK. Did you hear that, everybody? Three times. Wow, you're lucky! We're OK, everything's OK.
Just off the top of my head, I can't help but wonder if julio12 on BFF is MultipleEncounters on cryptomundo.
I also couldn't help notice HairyMan/Kathy Strain's mention of her husband's encounter. I say this without any offense intended, Kathy, but it's not as if Bob's encounter was exactly close.
It's hilarious! HH: Let's get real. Various footers: Let's get metaphysical! As a side note I couldn't help but be amused when member Pywacker states
Hey buddy, the name Albert Ostman ring a bell?Or any of the other reports that including talking bigfoots? Again another footer who has filtration problems.
Too true. Even Wn'W players like Sweaty or geogerm in the government responsibility likes to portray the image of being the logical ones.
Yes, I remember that thread now. Noll has bigfoot apologism worked to a fine art. It's cool everybody, they're out there. Keep the faith, we're just waiting for... no wait! Sitting on the good stuff. Tracks are old news.
Somebody better tell poor Roger Knights the tree breaks aren't helping.
kitakaze
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Ha ha! Forgot that in my last post. I have no problem envisioning the scenario of dude in a ghillie suit running away being confused to be a bigfoot. Or even a dude in a ghillie suit bolting into the trees and messing with someone when the person comes back. Of course, I'm just playing along. I don't have to accept that anything even happened in the first place. Naturally though, if I play along, the footer will rain down on me with some yawn-inducing shpeel including some words to the effect of 'get shot' therein. Hit it with your purse, Alice. Point me to one case of someone shot because they were mistaken for bigfoot.
Anyway, for the benefit of anyone following that may not know what a ghillie suit is, here's some images:
Whoa!
Gah! Samsqwatch!
I only saw him from behind but his shoulders were huge! Very bulky. No neck discernable. Hair all matted and long, like dreadlocks.
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The hair is shaggy, not short and trimmed as Patty's!
Its too clear! Those are not Patty's colors, whatever they are!
The face is not like Patty's!
I see no muscle definition!
The arms are too short!
The fingers don't move!
Its too clear! Those are not Patty's colors, whatever they are!
The face is not like Patty's!
I see no muscle definition!
The arms are too short!
The fingers don't move!
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
So did I break out some caffeine or what? No? Nevermind.
Wouldn't it really suck if all reports had to bear resemblance to Patty? Footers would be screwed. Poor little midget ewok/yeti things would be side-steppin' out the door, little rascals.
kitakaze
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First, my apologies. I've been continuing a mis-spelling. 'Seneca' not 'Senaca'. Anyone interested in joining my little Seneca Rocks diversion do be careful not to mix it up with Seneca in La Salle County, Illinois like I almost did at BFRO investigator Stan Courtney's website.
Second, WHOA! What's this?
Bigfoot need or lookalike in suit. (Bolding mine.)
Second, WHOA! What's this?
Bigfoot need or lookalike in suit. (Bolding mine.)
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Bigfoot needed or lookalike in suit
« on: June 30, 2006, 07:54:53 PM »
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A client of the WV Film Office is seeking the following cast members for an upcoming documentary shoot.
A documentary production is looking to cast two characters for a re-enactment of Bigfoot sightings. Looking for a tall male actor (6'3 and up), muscular type to play "Bigfoot" or "Wildman". Need to be willing to spend a couple of days in a "fur suit" and mask. Age range 20-35.
Also looking for a female counterpart - tall, athletic built woman to play "Zana the wild woman". Age range 20-35.
Shoot days are July 11, 12, and 13 in the Seneca Rocks region of West Virginia.
Please send headshot and resume to [email protected] as soon as possible.
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kitakaze
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Here's some more info:
Seneca Rocks on wikipedia.
Evidence of US Marines wearing ghillie suits being at Seneca Rocks from Sniper Country Duty Roster circa May 2002.
Location:
Seneca Rocks on wikipedia.
Evidence of US Marines wearing ghillie suits being at Seneca Rocks from Sniper Country Duty Roster circa May 2002.
Location:
And this on the ghillie suits three posts later:
This is a huge page so it's going to take me some time to see if I can find anything more from it.
kitakaze
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Hey, hey... The good Pastor can add severe filtration problems to severe pareidolia problems. Personally, I like my sasquatches white, 12 feet high, with glowing red eyes, and chatty.Great points Correa! You're finally catching on!
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Ahhhh... What?
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The current search for pilot Steve Fossett reminded me of one of Peter Byrne's old comments on how well the forest can hide things:
"The Pacific Northwest here, to give you an example of it’s size and it’s ability to hide things hides 73 aircraft lost from Northern California to Alaska since World War 2! That’s an official FAA figure, it’s not just a myth, it’s not just a newspaper story."
From Bobbie Short's website:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/films/ancient.htm
And while it must be admitted that not EVERY lost airplane can be found, it should be noted that THINGS ARE DISCOVERED THAT ARE NOT INITIALLY SOUGHT OUT.
"The intense, weeklong search for aviator Steve Fossett has turned up no sign of his plane, but it has revealed a graveyard of other small aircraft that have crashed sometimes decades ago in the rugged, concealing landscape of western Nevada."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3578069
"The Pacific Northwest here, to give you an example of it’s size and it’s ability to hide things hides 73 aircraft lost from Northern California to Alaska since World War 2! That’s an official FAA figure, it’s not just a myth, it’s not just a newspaper story."
From Bobbie Short's website:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/films/ancient.htm
And while it must be admitted that not EVERY lost airplane can be found, it should be noted that THINGS ARE DISCOVERED THAT ARE NOT INITIALLY SOUGHT OUT.
"The intense, weeklong search for aviator Steve Fossett has turned up no sign of his plane, but it has revealed a graveyard of other small aircraft that have crashed sometimes decades ago in the rugged, concealing landscape of western Nevada."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3578069
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Great points Correa! You're finally catching on!
Oh, its so easy to "catch on" in this case...
Just repeat ad infinitum the same poor reasonings, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
And I'm not kidding!
kitakaze
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Huzzaah?? You don't like my taste in zoobies? Too white, right? No, wait. Too tall? Was it the chatty bit? Did the overall image not suit your footer milieu? You want a different colour? We got colours. Green, red, silver, strawberry blonde? Skinny, chunky, funky, mangey? Long hair, short hair, not much hair at all? Err, dreadlocks? Talkers, grunters, squeal like a pig, roar like a lion, scream like a women, vibrate your pants? Avec extra-terrestrial? Sans perception extra-sensorielle? Acht! Vitt der schnauser? Umm... too many toes? Not enough? Runs on all fours? More canine? Feline? Big claws, snout, fangs? I'm not kidding, I got wings here. Bah! I give up.
If you find the words 'filtration issues' going a little over you head then I would suggest explaining to me which flavour of samsqwatch feels the most truthy to you and why.
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Are we speaking english here? You lost me Kit. And the point is?
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Kit thanks for reminding me just how hilarious the BTT (Bigfeetsus Think Tank) can be. That Stumpknocker...what a card...he indeed embodies Bigfoot Nation in all it's delusional glory.
kitakaze
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Mostly English.
All that wild variation doesn't point to a real animal. Neither does all the filtering and data-mining to get what fits your preconceptions of what a bigfoot should be like.
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