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I second that. It's probably the best reference of its kind on the Internet.(snip)

Bobbie, I think you and Perez are to be commended for your courage in pointing out the obvious, and by doing so going against the grain of popular, "expert" opinion.
I third or fourth that. Love your site. It's my first bookmarked BF site and has been one of my main references for years. Good for you, Bobbie, in pointing out the SC BS. It is a text book example of how bigfootery sustains and perpetuates itself.
 
I third or fourth that. Love your site. It's my first bookmarked BF site and has been one of my main references for years. Good for you, Bobbie, in pointing out the SC BS. It is a text book example of how bigfootery sustains and perpetuates itself.

OK I'll Fifth that...although I've never heard of this super website everyone is talking about. Anyone have a URL so I can take a gander at this site??
 
The theory of the SC is really bizarre. It's suggested that this Bigfoot consciously chose to not leave its footprints and instead lies down and reaches across for the bait (but leaves a body impression anyway). If this animal is so intelligent and strategically excludes its own sign... then why not just grab a big stick and putt the apples out of the mud leaving no real signs of your presence at all?

It's as if the architects of the theory already accounted for the underlying gullibility of many Bigfooters and predicted it would appeal to them.
Absolutely, the whole thing's a complete joke. The architect of the theory was Noll. From the moment he decided to see a bigfoot body in the mud rather than an elk and called his other Wn'W buddies over to have a look he was playing pretend. Think about how the discussion went down, all those footers hanging around that mud spot. Everybody got caught up in pretend. Pretend spreads, excitement spreads. The ball started rolling and it wasn't stopping. They decided this was going to be compelling evidence for bigfoot and common sense was no barrier.

Later Swindler looks at it and breathlessly exclaims "My god, it's Giganto." Holy crap, people. Does that make you neither cringe nor laugh? Snap out of it, man. You're playing Woods and Wildmen. Well, actually you were playing Woods and Wildmen. You've had seven years and proper examination by a relevant professional to bring you 'round. Of course not that Swindler, Meldrum or Noll would ever admit they know it's not the imprint of a bigfoot avoiding leaving footprints by lying down in the mud. (Yes it does make me feel stupid just typing it.) No, they're riding that donkey all the way into the sunset. Meanwhile, everybody else just shrugs and shakes their heads.
 
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...there is another case where a medical psychiatrist who lived at one time in Alpine, California claims a family a sasquatches routinely raided his fruit trees at night. They seemed unphased when the good doctor came home after dark, his headlights illuminating the tall figures picking from his trees. He called them "zoobies." He lived not far from where I live now and I've never found any evidence of them around here….the zoobie story is probably thirty years old by now….
Zoobies- I love it! It doesn't get any better than that. "What's the matter, honey? Difficult patient today" "It's the goddamn zoobies again! They've got my apples." "Don't you think we should call someone?" "Naaah, forget they'll just run away like they always do. Zoobies. I hate zoobies!"

Yes, medical professional harrassed by nuisance sasquatch clan, reliable evidence still elusive.

ETA: And again I forgot to say it. Welcome to the forum, Bobbie. I can't think of a more welcome proponent to de-cloak here.
 
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Absolutely, the whole thing's a complete joke. The architect of the theory was Noll. From the moment he decided to see a bigfoot body in the mud rather than an elk and called his other Wn'W buddies over to have a look he was playing pretend. Think about how the discussion went down, all those footers hanging around that mud spot. Everybody got caught up in pretend. Pretend spreads, excitement spreads. The ball started rolling and it wasn't stopping. They decided this was going to be compelling evidence for bigfoot and common sense was no barrier.

Later Swindler looks at it and breathlessly exclaims "My god, it's Giganto." Holy crap, people. Does that make you neither cringe nor laugh? Snap out of it, man. You're playing Woods and Wildmen. Well, actually you were playing Woods and Wildmen. You've had seven years and proper examination by a relevant professional to bring you 'round. Of course not that Swindler, Meldrum or Noll would ever admit they know it's not the imprint of a bigfoot avoiding leaving footprints by lying down in the mud. (Yes it does make me feel stupid just typing it.) No, they're riding that donkey all the way into the sunset. Meanwhile, everybody else just shrugs and shakes their heads.

On it's face I always thought a body imprint was ri-gawl durn-diculous for a bipedal animal to leave in the mud....and the "He/she/it" didn't want to leave any sign of it's presence has always held about as much water as pair of fishnet stockings as far as I was concerned.
 
On it's face I always thought a body imprint was ri-gawl durn-diculous for a bipedal animal to leave in the mud....and the "He/she/it" didn't want to leave any sign of it's presence has always held about as much water as pair of fishnet stockings as far as I was concerned.
Just imagine poor bigfoot standing there in the clearing beside the road at the edge of the muddy elk wallow biting his thumbnail fretting over the situation...

"Oooo fiddlesticks! Shave me bare and gimme some speedos if it isn't a couple of frozen apples! Sure as the dingleberry on me bum them little pink monkies with sticks n' the hollarin' put them there wanna catch my prints. Bet them little stump knockers r' watchin' me right now... Wait, no.. don't see any infrared. Steady. Ooooh I do love me some frozen apples. Think, think, think, ya big ape. Prints bad, no prints. Can't make the prints. I... I... I got it! In we go. Ohhh I'm a filthy monkey. Come to daddy."

If only we were their to witness the sasquatch lying there in the freezing muck softly chuckling to himself and munching freezing apples.
 
Absolutely, the whole thing's a complete joke. The architect of the theory was Noll. From the moment he decided to see a bigfoot body in the mud rather than an elk and called his other Wn'W buddies over to have a look he was playing pretend. Think about how the discussion went down, all those footers hanging around that mud spot. Everybody got caught up in pretend. Pretend spreads, excitement spreads. The ball started rolling and it wasn't stopping. They decided this was going to be compelling evidence for bigfoot and common sense was no barrier.

Later Swindler looks at it and breathlessly exclaims "My god, it's Giganto." Holy crap, people. Does that make you neither cringe nor laugh? Snap out of it, man. You're playing Woods and Wildmen. Well, actually you were playing Woods and Wildmen. You've had seven years and proper examination by a relevant professional to bring you 'round. Of course not that Swindler, Meldrum or Noll would ever admit they know it's not the imprint of a bigfoot avoiding leaving footprints by lying down in the mud. (Yes it does make me feel stupid just typing it.) No, they're riding that donkey all the way into the sunset. Meanwhile, everybody else just shrugs and shakes their heads.
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A couple of thoughts here....mainly because I've been around a long time and I have seen the eagerness to believe, the hope-filled "want" to find something, anything as the case may be....as with the Memorial Day Footage and the Skookum cast.... priceless examples!

You have to admire the effort and drive Meldrum and Noll display in their respective research, BRAVO for their persistence - but I see them as "fallen heroes" to that innate "want" to believe in something so deeply that they lose perspective and objectivity.

I truly believe Noll believes in what he thinks he sees in the SC...in the same manner that Matthew Johnson believed he saw details in a dark shadow that passed between two trees that absolutely HAD TO BE a sasquatch. (...they "believe" - therefore it is!) -- Isn't the mind amazing? Isn't the power of suggestion an amazing tool?

I personally never thought that the 82 year old Daris Swindler was qualified in skeletal tracings to the degree that he should have commented, his years at U of WA didn't automatically qualify him in that department.... Wroblewski on the other hand is impressive; Noll should have sought someone like him out before he dragged the SC to Rene's funeral.....(talk about poor taste, people were grieving that day, ah but here comes Noll with the skookum cast.)

The imagination, the mind itself if you will is an amazing ally, a grand associate to support one's intent....but one must reign in that imagination, stick with the facts and cautiously proceed onward looking for the truth. Without that control and self discipline the imagination runs rampant and suddenly evidence takes on a truth that in reality does not exist....as we see in these two examples - MDF and SC

Shoot......even Krantz wouldn't touch the MDF in his re-released book.....we asked him if he was going to entertain comment on the MDF and he said basically something to the effect, "not in this life time, it's a kid." ....so I was flabbergasted when Meldrum included comment on these two points in his book... I guess that's my fault for hoping Meldrum's book would stick to scientific doctrines...

...."the controversial subjects" like SC & MDF could have been left for another book.......yes?

[FONT=&quot].... okay so much for shooting my mouth off on a public forum....I know I'll get letters....rotfl.

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...Noll should have sought someone like him out before he dragged the SC to Rene's funeral.....(talk about poor taste, people were grieving that day, ah but here comes Noll with the skookum cast.)

Whoa! Haven't heard about that ..

Is it documented somewhere ?
 
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Whoa! Haven't heard about that ..

Is it documented somewhere ?

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Is what documented somewhere?

If you mean the bit about Wroblewski.....see Daniel Perez's investigation with Dr. Wroblewski here: (I'm not allowed by forum policy to insert links,
but you can load bigfoot encounters dot com forward slash articles, forward slash skookum_hokum dot htm) ...maybe that'll work...

If you mean about Noll taking the Skookum cast to Rene's funeral, ask anyone that went to the funeral.....Neiss, Kirk, Lund, Rabb,Thompson, Miller, a whole host of bigfooters were there --- any number of bigfooters will tell you it is true.
 
You have to admire the effort and drive Meldrum and Noll display in their respective research, BRAVO for their persistence - but I see them as "fallen heroes" to that innate "want" to believe in something so deeply that they lose perspective and objectivity.

I truly believe Noll believes in what he thinks he sees in the SC...in the same manner that Matthew Johnson believed he saw details in a dark shadow that passed between two trees that absolutely HAD TO BE a sasquatch. (...they "believe" - therefore it is!) -- Isn't the mind amazing? Isn't the power of suggestion an amazing tool?

This is called confirmation bias, and it is rampant within Bigfootery.

Shoot......even Krantz wouldn't touch the MDF in his re-released book.....we asked him if he was going to entertain comment on the MDF and he said basically something to the effect, "not in this life time, it's a kid."

This sounds reasonable to a BF skeptic, but I wonder how Krantz determined it was a kid rather than an adult. It seems like even when Krantz shows rationality he still manages to shoot from the hip.

...."the controversial subjects" like SC & MDF could have been left for another book.......yes?

Did you forget the other controversial acronym known as PGF? For that matter, is there any proported Bigfoot evidence that is not controversial?

Bobbie, your website is a wealth of information. But it lacks the same thing as all of the other BF websites. Yours and others often sometimes contain extensive lists of related links (mostly to other websites and forums). None of them list a link to JREF. Would you think about placing a link to this forum on your website? My immediate thought is of American casinos that offer hotlines for those who may be addicted to gambling and need help. Losing your entire net worth at a craps table is nothing like believing in Bigfoot. But then again, buying one more trailcam will greatly increase the odds of catching the big monkey. Right?
 
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If you mean about Noll taking the Skookum cast to Rene's funeral, ask anyone that went to the funeral.....Neiss, Kirk, Lund, Rabb,Thompson, Miller, a whole host of bigfooters were there --- any number of bigfooters will tell you it is true.
I take your word for it.. I was just wondering if there was something like an article somewhere, in which the specifics are recounted..

If not, it sounds like something that a person with first hand knowledge, and journalistic skills ( like yourself ), could give an interesting account of.

I have this image of Noll in black safari gear, whispering in someone's ear at the graveside " pssst When we are done here, I've got something in the back of my truck I want to show you . "
 
" pssst When we are done here, I've got something in the back of my truck I want to show you . "

Greg, as a warning, about three weeks ago I was publicly addressed by a JREF admin for writing sarcastic words as if they were spoken by someone else.
 
If you mean about Noll taking the Skookum cast to Rene's funeral, ask anyone that went to the funeral.....Neiss, Kirk, Lund, Rabb,Thompson, Miller, a whole host of bigfooters were there --- any number of bigfooters will tell you it is true.
I have this image of Noll in black safari gear, whispering in someone's ear at the graveside " pssst When we are done here, I've got something in the back of my truck I want to show you . "
Greg, as a warning, about three weeks ago I was publicly addressed by a JREF admin for writing sarcastic words as if they were spoken by someone else.
I'll risk it. I think Noll bringing the SC to Dahinden's funeral is appallingly dumb and I would like to speculate on what he was thinking. If not in black safari gear, I imagine Noll in front of everybody saying something like "You know Rene was on the hunt almost all his life and God bless him, he never found what he was looking for. Some might say it was a vain pursuit doomed to failure, that there's no sasquatch to be found. Well, to them I say look this..." pulls the cover off the SC "We may not have the body but we got the next best thing. This is for you Rene."

Or basically something to that effect. Anyway, DISCLAIMER: The above are not Noll's words, only my speculation on what he might have said. Since I'm quite sure Noll will see this, maybe he can clarify what he was thinking.
 
I'll take my chances too...
[MISQUOTE=Diogenes;Bob Hieronimus]
I have this image of Hieronimus in cowboy gear, whispering in someone's ear at the first ehxibition of PGF " pssst When we are done here, I've got something in the back of my truck I want to show you . "[/MISQUOTE]
 
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Welcome to the forum, Bobbie!

That was funny!

We're not (always) grumpy skepticals here. We have some pretty hard times when it comes to keeping our grumpyness (sp?) while discussing some bigfoot-related issues...
 
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