Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[William Parcher]

...because you present it in a professional and respectful manner, William.

Thanks Henry, but I'm not sure you've really seen me in action here. It can get pretty rough in this forum, but I think it mostly happens when the Bigfooters start getting retarded or punchy. I think there is a kind of daringness for a Bigfooter to venture here and try to make a stand. But then again, the internet has a way of allowing mice to trumpet like elephants. I sure can't prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist, or that Ole Bob was Patty, or even that Patty is any bloke at all.

But I can trumpet.

 

[mangler]

Welcome bf2006/Henry, BTW

Anything new in regards to the Johnsen/Davis project, and what's up with that Gimlin polygraph?

m

 

[bf2006]

Hello, Mangler. The Johnsen/Davis project is on hiatus for now due to the fact that Johnsen is aiming for a theatrical release, and also because one of the gentlemen they want to interview, Gavin Menzies, has not consented yet to an interview. As to the Gimlin polygraph, I am still awaiting to hear back from John Freitas regarding that, but I will continue to update you all here on both of these events. Thanks for the inquiries, Mangler.

 

[Melissa]

For Melissa: I've never been in the woods with a Bigfooter.

Can I ask why not? You clearly have an interest - and skeptical researchers are necessary. I personally do not think I fall into either "camp". I think the possibility exists, but I have never seen one.. Now, if I see one, all bets are off, but I highly doubt I ever will. I get out there because if it is real, I want to help document it. Maybe that doesn't interest you, thats fine

Please do not misunderstand me, I think anyone who devotes any time at all to this, be it in the field or on the internet keeping up to date on the info are playing an active part, but I have to wonder why you don't get out there?

If you lived in Texas I would invite you out with me for the weekend (even though you are a skeptic) LOL

*That was a joke, laugh*

 

[Melissa]

Hello, Mangler. The Johnsen/Davis project is on hiatus for now due to the fact that Johnsen is aiming for a theatrical release, and also because one of the gentlemen they want to interview, Gavin Menzies, has not consented yet to an interview. As to the Gimlin polygraph, I am still awaiting to hear back from John Freitas regarding that, but I will continue to update you all here on both of these events. Thanks for the inquiries, Mangler.

Henry, did Johnson happen to mention how this would happen now that he has signed off all the rights to his work to Mrs. Patterson? Will Johnson now have to go through Mrs. Patterson for everything?

No, Im not emailing Johnson, I finally got him to stop emailing me.. (thank god for email block)

 

[bf2006]

Henry, did Johnson happen to mention how this would happen now that he has signed off all the rights to his work to Mrs. Patterson? Will Johnson now have to go through Mrs. Patterson for everything?

No, Im not emailing Johnson, I finally got him to stop emailing me.. (thank god for email block)

I am not sure of the circumstances surrounding all this, Mel, but if I get any new info, you will be among the first to get it.

 

[Melissa]

Thank you Henry

 

[RayG]

Can I ask why not?

What would be the point? It's highly doubtful someone venturing into the woods with the purpose of spotting/catching/filming bigfoot is going to be successful.

Now, if I see one, all bets are off, but I highly doubt I ever will.

Exactly.

I get out there because if it is real, I want to help document it.

I wish you luck with that. Some pretty big names (Green, Dahinden, Byrne, Krantz, etc.) have gotten out there, for years even, with no personal encounter of their own.

If you lived in Texas I would invite you out with me for the weekend (even though you are a skeptic)

Personally, I think if bigfoot exists the best way to see one would be to live in the woods, not just spend the weekend camping there, but who has that kind of time or freedom?

RayG

 

[Crowlogic]

Well I located a photo of a Phillip Morris gorillia costume although I'm not allowed to post it seem since I haven't met the required number of posts. I use the term costume for the Morris offering since it isn't any more a serious tool to make a human being look like a primate than a Halloween Wolfman costume will make a trick or treater look like the Lon Chaney Jr. Wolfman creature in the old Universal horror films. For starters its fur is too long and homogenous in colour and texture, it's hands are woefully small and the big bare chest would have required Patterson to acquire a second suite to patch in enough Morris style fur to create the chest/breast of the PGF creature. Patterson could have also thrown away the head since the fur and facial details are even less PGF creature like than those silly costume hands are to the PGF hands. To say that Patterson modified a Morris suite is an understatement, I question that there is enough material (bagginess) available to stuff it with enough convincing bulk to create the PGF creature. Even factoring into account the less sophistacated public eye of the times that Patterson was springing his film onto , using that Morris suit as the base would have had him laughed out of Yakima after the first screening let alone making it to the national media.

 

[Melissa]

What would be the point? It's highly doubtful someone venturing into the woods with the purpose of spotting/catching/filming bigfoot is going to be successful.

Nothing ventured nothing gained. isn't that the saying? While I spend a lot of time on the internet myself, odds of me seeing one to help document its existence are far worse than if I actually got out there.

I respect the fact that you may not want to spend the time in the woods, hey we have our own things, but I do enjoy it as well.

I know the odds against me, but If I never see one - I will be in good company

 

[Crowlogic]

What would be the point? It's highly doubtful someone venturing into the woods with the purpose of spotting/catching/filming bigfoot is going to be successful.

Exactly.

I wish you luck with that. Some pretty big names (Green, Dahinden, Byrne, Krantz, etc.) have gotten out there, for years even, with no personal encounter of their own.

Personally, I think if bigfoot exists the best way to see one would be to live in the woods, not just spend the weekend camping there, but who has that kind of time or freedom?

RayG

Who has that kind of time or freedom? Roger Patterson!

 

[LTC8K6]

Why would a skinned horse hide have any flesh or hair on it, and why would it smell like a dead horse?

When you skin and tan a hide for leather for a suit, there's no hair or flesh on it, and no reason for it to stink by itself. Unless Roger had no idea how to do it.

The leather is not going to be red just because the horse's hair was red.

No one in their right mind is going to leave flesh on a skin, or useless horse hair, either. The horse hair will mean you can't attach the dynel or fur to the leather.

It would stink because of the sweat and heat and being out in the sun, just like any heavy leather suit would stink if you wore it on a hot summer day.

BH says the suit stank, and that Roger killed a dead red horse. The dead horse comment I took to mean that Roger didn't kill a horse, but skinned and tanned the hide from one that was already dead. Thus the odd sounding comment about skinning a dead horse (as opposed to skinning a live one).

But again, none of this matters at all, since myself and others here do not use BH in our arguments.

 

[LTC8K6]

Where are the comments about the problems with RP, and RP and BG's stories, and with the events surrounding the making and showing of the PGF?

 

[LTC8K6]

I wear coats and shoes made from a dead skinned cow. They don't smell like a dead cow unless I miss a few showers.

 

[LTC8K6]

Personally, I think if bigfoot exists the best way to see one would be to live in the woods, not just spend the weekend camping there, but who has that kind of time or freedom?

Yes, I've said that before.

Stay in the woods a while by yourself and get the smell of civilization off of you is what you'd have to do. Pretend you are a bear for a few months at least. Live off the land. Get the city smell and habits out of you. Learn to walk quietly as a habit.

Tromping around the woods in big loud groups screaming and hollering and beating on trees and leaving weird scents on the trees is never going to work, imo.

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't go into the woods looking for sasquatch because I'm scared I'll run into Lu.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

It may not prove the film is real SG, but if BH wants to put out a story like this and try to make money off it - its up to him to prove his story. Not me, not you - but him. He is failing miserably.

Then what's the problem ?

If I was a Footer, I would start worrying if he were succeeding...

What is it about BH that drives you and others into such a tizzy ?



P.S

Hey bf2006, Mellisa, WP .. all.

They have a nice PM feature here ..


Just thought you might have overlooked it ...

 

[Crowlogic]

Actually a tanned hide with hair still attached would smell good to some. Most folks enjoy the smell of tanned leathers and such, climb into a new Jaguar if you want the expierence. Now to take a crude hide and somehow create a costume with it is an invitation for disaster. That thing will get rancid and begin to rot before you ever get done sewing the costume up. Let's not forget the inscets that will be buzzing around the thing. Patterson's creation would have had swarms of flies following it.

I know a local rancher who rasises some sort of exotic long haired cattle and his home is decorated with tanned hides with hair. No they don't smell bad just the opposite, if you like the smell of tanned leather.

I don't buy into the dead red horse costume because the hide would be way to stiff and thick to allow fluid motion. And the creatures fur dosen't look like it came from either a horse or a Phillip Morris costume.

 

[LTC8K6]

I get the impression that footers think BH means that RP skinned the horse poorly, sewed up a costume out of the bloody mess, and had BH in it before the day was out.

Now, that would indeed be a horrid, rotting, short lived, carcass of a suit that no one could wear or get near unless their nose was inop.

That suit would have every carnivore within 10 miles homing in on it!

 

[bf2006]

Update: i talked to John Freitas a few minutes ago, and asked him about Bob Gimlin's polygraph test. He told me that due to his advancing age, he may have mixed up remembering that Patterson took a polygraph with Gimlin somehow,and he needs to follow up with Gimlin to confirm this. I will keep you all posted.