Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[William Parcher]

I wonder if Gimlin has ever gone on the record specifically saying that Bob Heironimus is lying.

 

[Melissa]

Im still wondering which suit version BH is gonna stay with. First he says Roger Patterson made the suit - and it stunk really bad. Now, its a Morris costume ?? (how many pieces he still doesnt know).. LMAO.

Yeah, he is a fantastic source.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Im still wondering which suit version BH is gonna stay with. ....

Why are you wondering that ?

Why is it important to you ?

How does it further " The Search for Bigfoot " ?


I find it interesting that the hottest topic in Bigfoot research is, who is lying about a 40 year old film, that doesn't give us squat with regard to this supposed non-human North American primate ..


What's Meldrum doing these days ?

 

[Melissa]

Diogenes, Im really surprised that someone who says he is only after the truth - would ask why someone else would care to know the truth as well.

That is really curious, if your motives are as you say. Everyone should know the truth, regardless of the outcome. I am willing to admit I am wrong ---- are you? Is there room in skepticism for that?

 

[William Parcher]

You are some kind of a joke, Melissa.

Im still wondering which suit version BH is gonna stay with. First he says Roger Patterson made the suit - and it stunk really bad. Now, its a Morris costume ??

Originally he had no reason to think that Roger didn't build the suit from scratch. When he heard from Morris he was obviously impressed with his claim that Roger bought a gorilla costume from him and customized it to look like a Bigfoot. BH hasn't changed his opinion on it stinking.

(how many pieces he still doesnt know).. LMAO.

He says three pieces. He's talking about a headpiece, a torso with attached hands, and legs with attached feet. Why might it no longer be six pieces like a stock Morris gorilla suit? Because Roger made changes to it. Even if you don't believe it started as a six piece Morris suit, you should still be able to imagine how a person could do things like affix the hands and feet so that the total number of seperate pieces is reduced. LMAO.

 

[William Parcher]

Yetifan mentions on BFF that BH might not be able to lift his lower leg as high as he used to. But YF fails to imagine BH walking in a Bigfoot costume no matter what his age. With big fake feet larger than his own boots, he is automatically forced to lift the foot higher in order to allow the toes to clear the sand. If a person doesn't practice this much with fake feet, they may even lift the foot higher than is necessary to clear the toes. An extreme example of this might be a person trying to walk in snowshoes for the first few times.

 

[William Parcher]

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[Correa Neto]

Again, lets suppose BH can't do the "Patty walk". What is the real relevance of this regarding the nature of the PGF subject? Remember the "Best Evidence" episode? The bloke in the bigfoot suit did the "Patty walk".

Its another dead end IMHO...

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Diogenes, Im really surprised that someone who says he is only after the truth - would ask why someone else would care to know the truth as well.

You must have me confused with someone else.

Where have I ever said " I am only after the truth ", at least when it comes to bigfoot.

That is really curious, if your motives are as you say. Everyone should know the truth, regardless of the outcome. I am willing to admit I am wrong ---- are you? Is there room in skepticism for that?

Again, I have never attempted to explain my motives in discussing Bigfoot.


You didn't answer my question.. It's O.k. to say you don't know, or you don't care..
If you just really want to know who is lying, that's O.K. too..

Do you know what a ' red herring " is ?

Whether or not BH is lying , is a red herring..

It gives Footers something to kick around in the absence of any real new evidence that supports the existence of this creature..


P.S.

I have never seen you admit you were wrong..

Must be nice to be perfect..

 

[LTC8K6]

I wonder if P and G ever reconciled the various versions of their story?

 

[Melissa]

Originally he had no reason to think that Roger didn't build the suit from scratch. When he heard from Morris he was obviously impressed with his claim that Roger bought a gorilla costume from him and customized it to look like a Bigfoot. BH hasn't changed his opinion on it stinking.

Oh I am very serious - too bad you didnt take the statements of everyone so seriously. Oh, so now the Morris suit stank too?? I wonder how Morris would feel about that comment? Can these types of fabrics etc emit the kind of horrible stench BH claims he had to deal with.

BH claims he jumped in a hole after the filming - it was hot, and he didnt want to get shot by hunters (as if the area were flat, and no hunters could have seen him while he was walking around in a gorilla suit). He has messed up on what city he met RP and BG at, he claims at one point there was no padding to the suit (someone must have shown him a picture of himself back then ) then he changes that story.. Then the helmet. LMAO.

You all should get together with BH - give him some adivce. Get his story together, and be sure to tell it the same way everytime - be good friends to Mr. H - he sure needs them if he is gonna pull this off. LMAO

Oh, and why in the world would BH need an attorney prior to releasing his story? Cha ching Their is motivation William Parcher - and others heard him discuss the tune of 50,000 --- thats motivation.

 

[LTC8K6]

Remember the "Best Evidence" episode? The bloke in the bigfoot suit did the "Patty walk".

Shhhhhhhhh! That's apparently our little secret...

 

[LTC8K6]

Melissa, any comments on the problems with P and G's story?

BTW, be careful, some of "us" don't give a rat's patoot about BH.

 

[Melissa]

P.S.

I have never seen you admit you were wrong..

Must be nice to be perfect..

Actually I have done exactly that on this board, and on the BFF - and my own forum many times.

I have always been very happy to admit when I am wrong SG, I am human and because of that I do make mistakes. Try humility sometime, its really not that bad.

 

[William Parcher]

Oh I am very serious - too bad you didnt take the statements of everyone so seriously. Oh, so now the Morris suit stank too?? I wonder how Morris would feel about that comment? Can these types of fabrics etc emit the kind of horrible stench BH claims he had to deal with.

You are unqualified to make these comments about BH & Philip Morris because you obviously are not listening to what they say. The Biscardi show had both of them on. PM speculates that RP replaced the face on his suit with one crafted from leather. That may have been from "the dead horse", and if improperly tanned it would stink. Bob said the facial skin of the mask was just a couple inches from his own nose. That could account for the stink, don't you think? Dynel (esp. black on a hot sunny day) would probably have an odor as well.

BH claims he jumped in a hole after the filming - it was hot, and he didnt want to get shot by hunters (as if the area were flat, and no hunters could have seen him while he was walking around in a gorilla suit). He has messed up on what city he met RP and BG at, he claims at one point there was no padding to the suit (someone must have shown him a picture of himself back then ) then he changes that story.. Then the helmet. LMAO.

When examined as individual claims and the context he gives them in, your stated inconsistencies are not significant. It's important to read or hear exactly what he says. For example: He didn't say the headpiece was a football helmet. He says it was like an old football helmet, which are padded leather.

Oh, and why in the world would BH need an attorney prior to releasing his story? Cha ching Their is motivation William Parcher - and others heard him discuss the tune of 50,000 --- thats motivation.

There are legitimate reasons to use an attorney when going public with something like this that have nothing to do with hoaxing a confession or trying to cash in. BTW, exactly how much money has BH earned from making his confession?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Mellisa,
Why do Bob Gimlin and Pat Patterson need attorneys to speak for them when it comes to the PGF ?
Does it matter ?



Oh, I liked " horrible stench " .. Practicing your journalistic license ?

You are concerned about BH getting his story straight.. Why is it O.K. for you to make up stuff he didn't say ?

 

[Melissa]

Melissa, any comments on the problems with P and G's story?

BTW, be careful, some of "us" don't give a rat's patoot about BH.

To be perfectly honest with you LTC8K6, I dont care about Pattersons story, Gimlins story or BH's story. I frankly think 40 years is a little late to go back and try and determine if anyone is being truthful. Which is why I find it comical anyone would believe without question BH. Sorry, but thats my opinion and am entitled to it, even if I turn out to be wrong.

I have found fewer problems with the Patterson and Gimlin account - far less problems than with BH's. I am not getting into the specifics of what I have questions about - because I have never had the opportunity to question Mr. Gimlin, and I would prefer to do so first. If I never get that chance, thats fine too.

I have no desire at all to ever question Mr. H - he has already shown his story to be a fabricated mess, full of holes and mistakes. No one who had actually been involved (and worn the suit for gods sake) would make the kinds of mistakes he has made. Its really kinda funny. Only man in the world who wore the Patty suit and cant seem to remember how it went on. Hes not 120 for the love of pete. LOL.

William ParcherThe Bigfoot Forums - "It's okay to believe in Bigfoot and the PGF here. We understand."

The Search For Bigfoot Forum - "Four hundred fifty years and counting. We understand."


lmao. Thats actually funny

 

[LTC8K6]

I frankly think 40 years is a little late to go back and try and determine if anyone is being truthful. Which is why I find it comical anyone would believe without question BH. Sorry, but thats my opinion and am entitled to it, even if I turn out to be wrong.

We have many contemporaneous comments from P and G, and others, so the 40 years shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think I have ever argued that BH was the man in the suit, so that's a non-starter with me.

I have found fewer problems with the Patterson and Gimlin account

Let's talk about the problems you have found with the account then. What are they?

 

[William Parcher]

BTW, be careful, some of "us" don't give a rat's patoot about BH.

Yeah, I'm the kook here that thinks he was Patty after all. If you want to rant about BH, you should probably just ring my doorbell.

One thing seems certain. Bob Heironimus and Greg Long raise the hackles of Pattycakes like nobody else. As if it isn't bad enough, BH said on Monday night that there is more to come. I'll get my popcorn.

 

[Melissa]

Mellisa,
Why do Bob Gimlin and Pat Patterson need attorneys to speak for them when it comes to the PGF ?
Does it matter ?



Oh, I liked " horrible stench " .. Practicing your journalistic license ?

You are concerned about BH getting his story straight.. Why is it O.K. for you to make up stuff he didn't say ?

Greg Long's book "The Making of Bigfoot" page 345. Here is the exchange between he and Long:

Long: "What about odor? Did the suit have a smell?"
Heironimus: "It stunk. Roger skinned out a dead, red horse."

The last time I checked, the smell of a dead horse was not a wonderful smell.

Anyone want to argue that the smell of a dead horse is a horrible stench??

I accept your apology..

WOW!! In one sentence - BH changes the story about who made the suit - and what it was made of.

Yeah, BH is so believeable.