Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[RayG]

Learn to walk quietly as a habit.

Never ceases to amaze me how noisy my kids are when they're walking around. They should be more like a ninja... like me...

Tromping around the woods in big loud groups screaming and hollering and beating on trees and leaving weird scents on the trees is never going to work, imo.

Obviously you've never heard of the Skookum cast.

RayG

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Why is it supposed to matter if anyone took a polygraph ?

 

[Crowlogic]

I get the impression that footers think BH means that RP skinned the horse poorly, sewed up a costume out of the bloody mess, and had BH in it before the day was out.

Now, that would indeed be a horrid, rotting, short lived, carcass of a suit that no one could wear or get near unless their nose was inop.

That suit would have every carnivore within 10 miles homing in on it!

Imagine this if you will. BH is concerned that some hunter will put his lights outs thinking that that smelly rancid horse suit is a bigfoot. But wouldn't it have been ironic if not a hunter squeezed of a fatal shot but rather a hungry Puma got a wiff of the suit and decided BH was lunch! Would his cohorts have dispensed with the suit before bringing BH's remains back to civilization claiming he was just the hapless victim of a hungry Puma. Or would they have brought him in still in the reeking "Horsefoot" costume and called it a carreer? What a way to go though killed by a Puma while in that smelly suit!

 

[LTC8K6]

Polygraphs are utterly meaningless, so I wouldn't bother.

My guess is that one taken by 2 people at once would be even less meaningless than usual.

 

[LTC8K6]

Obviously you've never heard of the Skookum cast.

In the military, some people could sneak up on your position pretty well and some just couldn't, even when it was raining. You could sometimes even tell who was coming by the pattern of the rustling and creaking.

When one guard was tromping through the woods loud enough to wake me, he confirmed my suspicions by tripping and having his rifle barrel tear a gash through my shelter half and hit me on the shin!

Well, it coulda' been Bigfoot with an M16, I guess. I forgot to cast his prints in the morning.

 

[kitakaze]

Daaaamn... Japan time sucks. I'm gone for a night and I come back and there's two more pages. Of course in lieu of any reliable evidence of 8ft hairy bipedal primates running around the world Bob Heironimus taking calls from footers tends to be quite the event.

 

[kitakaze]

How does it further " The Search for Bigfoot " ?

Yes, how's that coming, BTW?

pssst... Try licorice.

 

[kitakaze]

Hi Melissa, how are you? I'm just going to ignore all things Bob for a moment and ask you as an active researcher how your own personal efforts are coming. Any luck?

 

[kitakaze]

Whether or not BH is lying , is a red herring..

It gives Footers something to kick around in the absence of any real new evidence that supports the existence of this creature.

Sorry, I'm just catching up here.

Anyway, what Greg said.

 

[kitakaze]

(snip) ...I have never heard another BF Researcher say this film is proof - only another piece in a very large puzzle.

I have. Here. Some obscure bipto dude.

IMO, the film and its associated evidence go very, very far in proving the animal's existence, so I believe that to a reasonable observer it has been shown to be real. Some can't believe it. That doesn't mean it's not true.

Reasonable observer?

 

[kitakaze]

I am not here to prove or disprove that the Patterson/Gimlin Movie is real and shows a real Sasquatch,... ... ...

Dude, that's not funny. What the heck are doing there?

ETA: Forgot to say welcome to the board, Henry. Just a request but please don't do the massive cut and paste dump.

 

[kitakaze]

My apologies for the slew of posts but there really is a lot that's flown by here.

Anyway; can you tell us how, if BH is lying, how this supports the idea that Patty is a real Bigfoot ?

It may not prove the film is real SG, but if BH wants to put out a story like this and try to make money off it - its up to him to prove his story. Not me, not you - but him. He is failing miserably.

Yes, the burden of proof for BH's story is squarely on his shoulders.

Bob Heironimus is a gift to footers. He gives them a wonderful avenue to deflect attention and responsibility for perpetuating bigfoot boonswoggle.

 

[kitakaze]

I get the impression that footers think BH means that RP skinned the horse poorly, sewed up a costume out of the bloody mess, and had BH in it before the day was out.

Now, that would indeed be a horrid, rotting, short lived, carcass of a suit that no one could wear or get near unless their nose was inop.

That suit would have every carnivore within 10 miles homing in on it!

It puts the lotion in the basket.

 

[LTC8K6]

Buzzards circling over poor BH! Scavengers closing in as he sat in that hole in his rotting horseflesh pajamas! Help!

 

[kitakaze]

Tromping around the woods in big loud groups screaming and hollering and beating on trees and leaving weird scents on the trees is never going to work, imo.

Got $300?

 

[Melissa]

I have. Here. Some obscure bipto dude.

Reasonable observer?

Yep, he did say that. That is his personal opinion (which he is entitled to) but he does not say the P/G film is proof positive, he also goes on later to say if Patty is not a Bigfoot, Bigfoot doesn't exist. Bipto thinks much as I do. The P/G film is very interesting, but it is one piece of a larger puzzle, but it is a piece of that puzzle that still peeks our curiosity and some of us think that very well could be the real thing. Do we have any proof of that? Absolutely not. But, the scientists who are out searching for the Ivory Billed Woodpecker based off 14 (?) seconds of fuzzy footage do not have their target animal either - so we all search.

LTC8K6, no thats not what we are saying. BH said the costume stunk, and he referenced the fact that RP used a dead red horse for the costume. Now, I don't know if the smell was a combination of his own sweat and the heat from being in the costume - but frankly I also cant stand the smell of leather... My point has been lost however, and that was simply that BH needs to decide, was he wearing a Morris Costume or a costume made by RP out of horse hide? Did Morris ever make Bigfoot costumes out of horse hide? I don't think I have ever read anything to that effect. It was one or the other if he is right. So thats a pretty important question he needs to get right.

My own research is going along. I have nothing to report. We have had so much rain here, areas I go into to research are flooded - water levels are going down now and hopefully will return to normal very soon (with temps in the 100's it shouldn't be long.

 

[Melissa]

My apologies for the slew of posts but there really is a lot that's flown by here.Bob Heironimus is a gift to footers. He gives them a wonderful avenue to deflect attention and responsibility for perpetuating bigfoot boonswoggle.

Thats funny, cause BH thinks his story helps skeptics. Bigfooters for the most part really don't care, which could be why there were very few callers during his show.

I am struck by something Kitakazee, you can no more prove bigfoot does not exist, than I can it does. So, whom is boonswoggling whom? Odds may be on your side, but that does not make you right. What if your wrong? What responsibility will you take?

I do discuss what he says, as I think his comments are a good way for new researchers to hear and read for themselves how someone can so completely believe something they are saying, yet its not true. I think he does serve a purpose, "how to spot a hoax".

 

[kitakaze]

Thats funny, cause BH thinks his story helps skeptics. Bigfooters for the most part really don't care, which could be why there were very few callers during his show.

That could be one spin. You can make similar spin as to why Gimlin won't public confront the guy calling him a liar or with the whole polygraph thing why he won't do it. That's no defence of Heironimus, mind you. He's quite unnecessary in determining the PGF a hoax.

I am struck by something Kitakazee, you can no more prove bigfoot does not exist, than I can it does. So, whom is boonswoggling whom? Odds may be on your side, but that does not make you right. What if your wrong? What responsibility will you take?

The extra 'e' is an affection thing, right? Flying spaghetti monsters and all that. One thing I can do is say with a confidence that footers can only pretend to have that bigfoot very likely is a myth and nothing more. It may seem smug but thems the breaks.

And what responsibility will I take? Awww, gimme a break, Mel. I'm sure you've figured out now that if bigfoot were shown to be real, I'd be screaming like a little girl and rolling around like a filthy pig. I'd love it. I'd be gay, gay, gay. I'd certainly be the first to admit that my current perspective turned out to be wrong and after eating a whole loy of crow I'd get on with the real business of trying to learn everything I could about it. I'd certainly be sharing my crow with a lot of footers who cooked up a bunch of kooky ideas. I think Coleman and Noll and those like them should be taken to task for perpetuating the myth.

I do discuss what he says, as I think his comments are a good way for new researchers to hear and read for themselves how someone can so completely believe something they are saying, yet its not true. I think he does serve a purpose, "how to spot a hoax".

Too bad you guys didn't have one bit of reliable evidence to look at instead of a lot of known hoaxes. Then you guys would really start learning. BTW, if Heironimus is wrong, how do you know he really believes it?

 

[LTC8K6]

I am struck by something Kitakazee, you can no more prove bigfoot does not exist, than I can it does.

Well, the burden is actually entirely on those making the claim that Patty is a sasquatch, of course. A burden that has never been met, or even come close to being met.

 

[kitakaze]

Yep, he did say that. That is his personal opinion (which he is entitled to) but he does not say the P/G film is proof positive, he also goes on later to say if Patty is not a Bigfoot, Bigfoot doesn't exist. Bipto thinks much as I do. The P/G film is very interesting, but it is one piece of a larger puzzle, but it is a piece of that puzzle that still peeks our curiosity and some of us think that very well could be the real thing. Do we have any proof of that? Absolutely not.

Your puzzle comes in a neat little box that sits there on the shelf right next to the one the UFO geek beside you is gawking at.

But, the scientists who are out searching for the Ivory Billed Woodpecker based off 14 (?) seconds of fuzzy footage do not have their target animal either - so we all search.

Known animal reference, back two squares.

Mind you, it is interesting that Ivory-billed Woodpecker searchers seem to be missing the giant 8ft majestic woodapes in their search.