Post #550
Five toes - Saskets
Group: Members
Posts: 646
Joined: 5-October 04
Member No.: 1,483
wolftrax -- Early on I'd been told that Heironimus claimed sticks were used in the forearms and other things. The truth is that he never said any such thing.
I did an overlay of his body onto the suit walking in the film. This is something that could have easily been done by anyone with an editing system. I don't think it was done because it was assumed that anyone could look at the suit walking and then watch Heironimus walk and see the obvious. I went the extra mile. I put a see-through Heironimus' body inside the suit as it walked. It is him. He does match.
Heironimus would have no experience with creature suits. He wouldn't know the smell of a suit that's been stuck in a closet for 6 months nor did he ever try to examine it the two times he says it was slid onto him. He has no more knowledge of the way the feet in creature suits are made than you do. Probably less. He just made his best guess about what he saw based on what he knows and what he was told. That's all.
The important thing is that he describes for us how it was put on in three sections. Most people who know nothing about suits would think it had a zipper like the one Morris used. It didn't. What Heironimus says actually shows that he was in the suit. His description is correct. That is how the pro level gorilla suits were made and put on. Morris heard from Heironimus that some sort of helmet was used and Heironimus said it felt like one of those old time football helmets with some kind of mouthpiece and mask on the front. What Morris came up with clearly shows the man had no clue about how gorilla suits worked. A check with Bob Burns or any of the old gorilla guys would have shown what Heironimus was trying to describe.
What you are doing regarding Chambers is very much what fans do with actors and things they read. They prefer the PR hype and will go to their graves believing it - even if the person responsible for creating the thing they watched on television steps forward to speak about it. If it doesn't fit what the fan has built up in his mind, then the truth is loudly denounced and all sorts of excuses created for why this just isn't so. It's an amazing thing to watch.
Chambers made all sorts of suits. Something like Patty is no biggie for someone like him and the lines pointed out by CHRIS WALAS actually fit some of the patterns he used. It turns out that once I investigated what Walas was saying he turned out to be right. Imagine that; an expert on creature suits actually knows more about what a creature suit is than we do. We don't want it to be so but it's a fact.
Vulich was just giving his opinion. But the friend of Chamber's who spoke to me wasn't. That's all I can tell you. Yet we don't really need to know exactly WHO attached the hair, or who molded the face, or where the hands were made when it is so obviously a suit. Once you know the difference between what ONLY appears in creature suits and what is never seen in a real animal (and the creature suit-makers do) then and only then will you be able to see what is on the film.
Till then... it's fanspeak all the way to the Bigfoot convention and back.
Giganto -- You're looking at a totally different suit. The dark red suit you've drawn lines on is the altered Wookie suit worn by the dummy. The arms I made various lengths in different shots as an experiment. That has nothing to do with the black suit being tested.
soarwing & LAL --- Believe me, the first thing I said about the pic was "blobsquatch" also. But my buddy said that this was the same quality as the PG film and if I started trying to make it better I wouldn't be making a true recreation of Patty, I'd be making some newer, clearer enhanced version of a Bigfoot. He may be right. So for now I'm making this early test by attempting Patterson's quality and not attempting to imitate some of the varied (and often suspicious) "enhanced" versions of the film. Though I will get to that too.
Check out these three pics from the backyard. I told him that I wanted him to imitate the shot where McClarin walked behind a tree and also do the thing at the beginning of the film when Patty walks over the little hill.
I realized later that because my fur was so black the shadows made it harder for my camcorder to separate the blacks in the footage. It might be better if I avoid the shadows altogether and try doing the whole walk in the bright sun. Still... my friend said later when he looked at the PG film that he compared the two he could see no difference in what we did and in Patty. He said it's basically the same thing - just shot on video instead of film.
You tell me. Is this Patty or another Morris thingy? Is it even close or is it back to the drawing board again?
- Dfoot
[qimg]
http://www.bigfootforums.com/uploads//post-1483-1141229916_thumb.jpg[/qimg]
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=13887&st=540
