Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[erikbeckjord]

Look at central digit

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Hmmmm......possible toe dragging.....no claws either....



Reply: now you know what the creature thinks of us!



Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

Infant on Bigfoot

I've been thinking about asking why, back in the ' Crew, Wallace, Patterson & etc.. " days, no one ever reported this ' infant lifting ' stuff.. Now it seems to be part of many sightings, particularly the otherwise unresolvable videos..

The new squatch is supposed to be bleeding and limping as well as carrying an infant.. I just pointed out, that it should be easy to track down ..

In the pg film Dr Bernard Heuvelmans did see a baby on the chest and did
draw a sketch of it. He was founder of CZ.

See drawing at site lined to bigfoot-dot-org

Best to all my pals,

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

Grey man of Ben McGhui - in Scotland

Living in Scotland, you have a much greater chance winning the lottery than meeting up with a sasquatch.



I'm not even counting yet, and the nickels are beginning to add up.

You can see Bigfoot on Ben McDhui..... if lucky.

Blobby.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Forget Gigantopithecus

Well,.........

that's been my point.

I've been arguing on this very thread that nobody knows if Gigantopithecus was quadrapedal or bipedal.

There seems to be universal agreement that they didn't brachiate, but we really don't know that for sure, either.



It would prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that other sub-primated aside man walked bipedally to today.

Doug Hajicek agrees, (in email) the Patty has slender jaw, and Giganoto had
a massive one. (ergo not same)

Blobby -- best to all...

 

[erikbeckjord]

But if BF IS human, or humanoid, then,,,,,

Agreed, even experts agree that this is a compliant gait (sorry I can't post the URL yet - I need 15 posts!)

However such a gait can be EASILY reproduced by a human, and when when it is it produces an unusually large stride.....

So much has been written or discussed about the "gait" when in reality it is totally irrelevent!

Phil

Then gait is irrelevant. If bf is human or humanoid.

There is no "proper" gait.

Best to all,

Blobby , writing a book on all this as we speak.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Be skeptical of skeptics

Try your pseudo facts at a believer's board, please. Why bother to write such unsupported and unsupportable garbage?

Yes, be skeptical of skeptics.

"50 % of all CSICOP skeptics who ever when on a BF camping trip,

got converted." (have proof)

Blobby, tip of hat to all.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Substantial evidence from area.

I believe the s getting a little unwieldy so I thought I would submit this spinoff..


The discussion has had me looking at a lot of info, and one of the most intriguing things in Satsquatch lore, IMO is the



The drama surrounding the physical film itself, is as controversial as the contents of the video ..

Here is an interesting discussion about the film over at BigFoot Forums..
The Patterson Subject; a Professional Observation
It was started by Chris Walas, a Hollywood special effects wizard with an impressive set of credentials.
I believe that some of the more astute contributers over at Bigfoot Forums are making some impressive counterpoints to his analysis of the film..


Within the thread you will find some stills and clips of the PGF ( Patterson-Gimlin Film ) , which may not count for much if you don't have access to the complete film, but still I find them interesting..

It seems the only easily obtained copy is on the DVD


Over at


I have always felt the film itself shows what seems to be a very real looking, Bigfoot type creature, and I am certainly not qualified to debunk it ( yet ) , though some that probably are, are satisfied they have. There is even someone who claims to be the " man in the furry suit "; but it is another story that appears to not be proveable..

The thread I pointed to, has some pretty good debunking of the debunking..

I am in the process of getting my own copy of the footage, and will comment more when I have had a chance to look at it..


The biggest problem I have with accepting this film as proof that Bigfoot exists, is that virtually nothing substantial emerged from the area in which the film was made.

I can't believe that such a convincing looking creature, vanished from the face of the earth, without a trace, unless it was a suit that was destroyed or very effectively hidden away.

Well, NO substantial evidence in the form of a dead body has EVER surfaced
there or anywhere. There is no Bigfoot "species" ... none proven.

OK?

Ye Blobby-o-dude.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Try big toe on right when it ought to be on left....

Me too.. No toes?


I'm sure there is a Bigfootologist explanation. Be interesting to hear what it is...

frame 302.

The it is proper on later frames.

Shapeshifter.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

Really weird that a url in a post I quote is not allowed before I have 15 posts... this is a flaw in system.\\

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

In my suspicious mind, the agreement ahead of time not to shoot if they saw a bigfoot is indicative that somebody knew it was a guy in a suit.

Irrelevant. Research shows bigfoot cannot be killed.

Prove me wrong.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

Sheesh... Am I talking to LAL here? You asked when Gimlin had ever lied. I just reminded you about a big one he told to a writer attempting to interview him. He never expected the writer to actually check on the facts. That's just it. None of the other writers of Bigfoot books have really checked things out. Long did check up on some things (such as Gimlin's lie regarding never having been arrested for a felony).

Gimlin was arrested for a felony. He was inside the jail cell. He testified against some of the others in the theft scheme and took care of himself. His parents did, in fact, put up their home in order to post his bail.

When Gimlin tells Long that this must be some other Bob Gimlin and not him - that's a lie. When he claims that he's never once been arrested for anything in his life, much less a felony - that's a lie.

Hey, you asked.

Somehow you've twisted the idea of a guy proving that the folks demanding he rush out and build a Patty-suit for them can't be trusted to see things objectively into a hoax worthy of the scam-for-money that DeAtley has admitted participating in.

Think about it Huntster... DeAtley literally TELLS you he was involved in a hoax with Patterson to defraud people of their hard-earned cash and perpetrate a hoax on scientists. He TELLS you how much money he made. Heironimus is sitting right there on a horse next to Gimlin (who later pretended to be a long-haired Indian guide wearing that same wig in New York AFTER the PG flick was shot WITH DeAtley and Patterson standing next to him). Yet you still believe this Patterson knucklehead is telling you the truth about his filming a Bigfoot walking horizontally across his lens and up a logging road? Even though I keep showing you how the suit was put together and why it isn't a real animal?

You seem to think I'm the bad guy for making perfectly clear how emotionally attached people have become to this genuine scheme to fake people out of their money and time. Somehow a guy holding a mirror up to the hypocrisy within a few posts on the Internet is worse than the 'Angels' who ripped off people for years with the PG film? You cannot be serious.

We often hear of PETER BYRNE speaking to a Disney fx expert who told him that it would cost tons of money to do what Patterson did. Unfortunately we don't get to hear that this "Disney fx expert" was just an exec in charge of animation. In other words, he was overseeing the guys who drew Mickey Mouse - he had no clue about what it took to build a creature suit. Why not go to the real experts? Probably because of the reason DeAtley described; "They don't want to know the truth".

That is the kind of fact-checking that goes on with this thing and the reason I try so hard and so carefully to demonstrate the truth about people's inability to see things as they are instead of just going along with what they wish to imagine.

The abnormally shrill reaction and denials are simply proving what I have said many times over. The experiment was more successful than I ever imagined it would be. Unfortunately.

Anyone watching the reaction to what went down over this can see the cult mindset at play - unless they are too deeply involved to step back and look at reality.

- Dfoot

Show proof Gimlin was ever arrested for anything, ever.

If so, prove it was related to Bigfoot.

If so prove he was convicted of any crime,ever.

Hell, I was arrested for protesting the Viet Nam War.

Blobby.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Bigfoot walks in linear fashion.

I "see" mid tarsal breaks and hourglass shaped footprints.
Oh, and it also happens that...
I see dead people!

So far.

Usually always in straight line, not wide apart left to rt.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

2000 lb Patty no error

The picture has no scale, therefore it could still be bigfoot in his winter coat.
The 15cm statement is just an early error, like Glickman's 1,957 pound Patty.

I went to Bluff creek, found it hard to make a mark in soil, as did Titmus
at time of filming.

Using Titmus depth data, and engineering formulas, Patty was 2000 lbs.

A "non-biological" weight.

Blobby ...

 

[erikbeckjord]

I always wonder why the Bigfoot/Sasquach/Yeti populations never leave evidence of their births, deaths, occupied ranges or feces.
Unless, of course, no such animal exists

There is no evidence Bigfoot is a zoological SPECIES.

But I have seen them and photographed them.

They are a phenomenon.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

I am impressed. Yes, I am. What is source?

Okay, so we don't know which cast is being poured here, the real or the hoaxed.

Does anyone find all the water in Bluff Creek odd in these stills? Is there water visible in Bluff Creek in the PGF?

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Where did you find these stills of Patterson and the plaster casting?

And did he do the casting at the fiolm site, or some other time?

Blobby

 

[RayG]

Blobby , writing a book on all this as we speak.

You've been promising that you're "writing" that book for years now Cedrip, when are you actually going to publish anything?

RayG

 

[RayG]

Hell, I was arrested for protesting the Viet Nam War.

If memory serves me correctly, you were also arrested for trying to sell stolen videos to the authorities. Prove me wrong. Bonk!

CEDRIC JOHN BECKJORD did willfully and for profit infringe the copyright of the copyright owners, Warner Brothers Incorporated and Hoya Productions Incorporated, in the motion picture photoplay "The Exorcist"" which was first published with requisite notice of copyright and was duly registered in the United States Copyright Office on December 26, 1973, pursuant to the provisions of Title 17, United States Code in Classes L-M, Registration Number Lp 42969, in that the defendant did willfully and for profit sell said motion picture photoplay, without authorization of the copyright owners, in violation of Sections 1, and 104 of Title 17 United States Code.

RayG

 

[erikbeckjord]

You cannot make muscles ripple around and show.

In my mind, he did announce it as a test, with lot's of clues as to what he was doing...

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13887&view=findpost&p=300099




How else could this have worked ?

Dfoot:

“ Hey guys, I’m going to paste some crops of Patty into some pics of
my neighborhood, tell you it’s my suit, and see if you can tell it’s Patty .. “

Yeah riiiiiiiiight ..!



I’m trying to understand why this was a bad thing to do..

Sure it was deceptive, but the whole point of the PG forum, is that skeptics think
believers are being deceived in the first place..

Dfoot just showed us how easy it was to do..


It is not like he came in under a sock puppet and posted the pics in
“ Sightings & Encounters “

Is ‘ Candid Camera ‘ evil ? Wouldn’t be much point in telling them about the camera
from the git go …

Sure is quiet over there.. I’m sure it’s jut a coincidence, and nothing to do with
Dfoot’s prank…

You cannot make muscles show and ripple around. Your body proportions are all wrong. Your shoulders are way way too small.

You are not 6'5in, and other fake suit films (we made one) show there is no way to make a good fake film.

Sorry, no cigar.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

If memory serves me correctly, you were also arrested for trying to sell stolen videos to the authorities. Prove me wrong. Bonk!



RayG

That person released and no charged filed.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

My buddy now selling book

You've been promising that you're "writing" that book for years now Cedrip, when are you actually going to publish anything?

RayG

"Sex, Lies & Bigfoot!"

Including evidence Ray G did hacking, direct copies of server records. Printed
in book.

Blobby.