Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

Well, I have already said I doubt the location and the date, Huntster.

I have been wanting an independent party to check on the snowfall amounts for Ely in January up to the 26th. No one seems too interested anymore though since the video is now an obvious hoax.

I could be wrong, but it seems like there wasn't any measurable snowfall in January, and very little in November & December. That seems unlikely to me, but thats what I got when I looked.

Perhaps you could look up this info and tell me what you find?

Did you get a look at that video yet?

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDbkQVf9As

 

[UrsulaV]

Do black bears come out of hibernation in northern Minnesota in January?

Certainly they will if disturbed. In regions with abundant food, black bears may not hibernate at all, or will do so for an extremely short time compared to bears in areas with a lower food supply. As black bears have an extremely high body temperature for a hibernating animal, they're much more likely to react to changes in their environment than a creature like a groundhog that drops its body temperature dramatically and becomes effectively comatose.

This is not to say that I think this film shows a bear, but it's not unheard of for a black bear not to hibernate, or to be disturbed and become active for brief periods. Since you asked.

 

[Huntster]

Well, I have already said I doubt the location and the date, Huntster.

I have been wanting an independent party to check on the snowfall amounts for Ely in January up to the 26th. No one seems too interested anymore though since the video is now an obvious hoax.

I could be wrong, but it seems like there wasn't any measurable snowfall in January, and very little in November & December. That seems unlikely to me, but thats what I got when I looked.

Perhaps you could look up this info and tell me what you find?

All I found was temps; January 22, high of 25, low of 15, and mean of 20.

I couldn't find a snowfall history.

...Did you get a look at that video yet?...

Nope.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Sheesh, did we disturb your hibernation Hunster ?

I post a message about Meldrum's book, and you respond to a week old post ?


Sorry I woke you up ....

 

[William Parcher]

I've noticed there are quite a few people over there who won't "believe anything".

But, I've noticed that they do believe in hanging around a Bigfoot forum.

 

[RayG]

But, I've noticed that they do believe in hanging around a Bigfoot forum.

Something wrong with that? Everybody's gotta have a hobby.

RayG

 

[Huntster]

Sheesh, did we disturb your hibernation Hunster ?

I post a message about Meldrum's book, and you respond to a week old post ?


Sorry I woke you up ....

I went on vacation. Went to America. The wife and kids damned near dragged me there.

It was okay.

A little crowded, though.

I'd as soon continue hibernating here.

 

[Huntster]

But, I've noticed that they do believe in hanging around a Bigfoot forum.

Is that any worse than hanging around this forum?

 

[William Parcher]

But, I've noticed that they do believe in hanging around a Bigfoot forum.

Is that any worse than hanging around this forum?

Worse? Well, the learning experience is quite different. BFF is fundamentally based upon a supposed reality of a creature that cannot be confirmed to be real. I suppose that makes it interesting. I regard it as an expose on human nature, not on an undocumented wild bipedal ape.

 

[Huntster]

But, I've noticed that they do believe in hanging around a Bigfoot forum.

Originally Posted by Huntster :
Is that any worse than hanging around this forum?

Worse? Well, the learning experience is quite different.....

And what are you learning here?

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, I have learned a lot about the PGF.

You can click on the link to that Ely video any time you like, Huntster.

 

[Huntster]

....You can click on the link to that Ely video any time you like, Huntster.

Kinda, sorta. My Javascript (or something) isn't working right. It won't work.

 

[LTC8K6]

You aren't really missing much....

If you get it to work, you can see the tracks left from the first part of the video in the lower left corner. The beastie took a few steps up to the tree, struggled with something there for a few seconds*, then staggered drunkenly up the hill out of view in the darkness.

* The most common thoughts were: picking up a youngster, or getting it's pants caught on the tree.

I voted for my bear trying to pick up some frozen roadkill....

 

[RayG]

Kinda, sorta. My Javascript (or something) isn't working right. It won't work.

Are you by any chance using Firefox with the Adblock extension? Unless a video is in QuickTime, I have to open my Adblock preferences, turn OFF the Adblock, and then refresh the page. That works just fine if you don't mind taking the extra steps.

RayG

 

[erikbeckjord]

Expert on film here. Will answer questions. Now, "bloke in suit"...

My instinctive response is:

" It ' must ' be a man in a suit " ..

I think it ' looks ' like a furry critter, though..

You might take the time to look at some of the links I provided.

The stronger arguments against a hoax include some compelling arguments about sophistication of the suit ( if it is one ), proportions and movement of the animal..


When the special effects wizard pointed out ' obvious ' seams on the ' suit ', proponents quickly pointed out the same ' seams ' on live gorilas..

Another problem I have, concerns the way it walks..

Proponents claim the walk is apelike, and there is supposed to be some detailed analysies that support this. However, the walking looks very human like ( though a bit contrived ) , to me.

Reply: High gang,

I've spent 25 years (in off hrs) studying this film and I have two
excellent 16mm "first copies" off the original to use with a microscope, and
slo-mo projector. I have also DIGITIZED the entire film @ 77 MB each frame, and it is all on CDroms.

Let's eliminate this "bloke in a suit" bit. (Hi there, Lu...) . I'd ask you
"what **should** a real Bigfoot look like in a film? "

Well, if it is a hairy humanoid, it will -- ta-da - LOOK HUMAN. Walk sorta human, (not like an ostrich) and remember, apes DO NOT WALK ON TWO LEGS, not far.

So, let the brickbats fly.

Blobby - 415-289-2255

 

[erikbeckjord]

Expert on film onboard here. Hi folks.

I tried to post a reply with a quot from fitrst post and I got a message saying you can't post a url until after 15 posts.

But I was not posting any url. Just the quote.

???????

Anyhoo,

Reply: Hmmm... maybe my other post did make it...

Phone is 415-289-2277 not 2255.

Best to all.

Blobby

 

[erikbeckjord]

Oh, hi there, Lu.

Blobby.

 

[erikbeckjord]

You can see frames from Patterson film at

links within bigfoot - dot - org.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Worse? Well, the learning experience is quite different. BFF is fundamentally based upon a supposed reality of a creature that cannot be confirmed to be real. I suppose that makes it interesting. I regard it as an expose on human nature, not on an undocumented wild bipedal ape.

reply: agree more or less.

There is no proof of a bipedal ape, no zoological Bigfoot "species"

but with tracks that end suddenly (no excuses) in snow and mud,
on video, and witnessed by me with a cop and other witnesses,

there does seem to be "something" to this, even if not zoological.

best regards to all my pals.

Blobby