Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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The reasons for not pursuing don't make any sense. You don't have to kill or capture bigfoot.

Pursuit could net you lots of information even if you don't actually get close enough to see or film the beastie.
 
The reasons for not pursuing don't make any sense.

They do, if you reason there is nothing to chase.. The apparent ( what is revealed publicly ) behaviour of people like Noll, indicates they do not truly believe there is anything to chase. If you don't chase, you will never realize the painful truth.. So you keep playing with casts, and made up stories..

I'ts ' The Emperor's New Clothes '. They have been playing this game so long, they can't admit they might have been suckered in, and mistaken ..



You don't have to kill or capture bigfoot.

Pursuit could net you lots of information even if you don't actually get close enough to see or film the beastie.
But there is a chance you will get something on film...
 
There is the possibility that if they do prove bigfoot exists, they know their game is also over, because real science will take over at that point.

Pursuit after a recent close encounter could lead you to where they live, it could lead you to scat, it could lead you to actual hairs from the creature, etc.

It could force the beastie to make a mistake in your favor. Maybe you would force it into an area it wouldn't normally visit. Perhaps it would be forced into contact with other people who would also witness it and corroborate your story of the pursuit.

The fact that the evidence you gathered was from a pursuit would give it more weight than evidence you just happened to stumble across in the woods. Even the tracks would have more weight as evidence.

Assuming you actually saw what you believed to be a bigfoot and tracked it and came up with evidence during the tracking. I would give such evidence greater weight.
 
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...In tracking these animals I never released the dogs to chase; I was not, in these instances hunting to kill and I was willing to invest the time (in some cases several days) needed to locate and identify the animals.

You seem to be stuck on the notion that one must tree or corner one's quarry in order to find it. Not so.

You write that you invested the time needed to "locate and identify" the animals.

Did that include visual location and identification?

Where was the cougar or bear? Not in a tree or cornered?

Did your trained or untrained dogs refrain from barking? Or, if not, didn't the barking alarm the subject?
 
There is the possibility that if they do prove bigfoot exists, they know their game is also over, because real science will take over at that point.....

Well, golly, gee, shazam! I would hope so!

Eventually, even the pinheads would be forced to say, "Oh, looky here!"
 
It couldn't have taken Roger that long to reload the camera. After all, Bob took the camera from Roger when Bob went to scout around shortly after the encounter. So, the camera must have already been reloaded by then, so why not pursue Patty and try to get more footage?

Why reload the camera so quickly under a poncho on the fly if you aren't going to pursue?

Patty wasn't likely to return.
 
The photo on the RIGHT is what a bear stepping onto its own track looks like.

If anyone here has tried to make a plaster cast of a print in melted snow they might discover that dermal ridges are not easily found in them.

What if I were to cast a similar melting bear track in plaster and either on purpose or by accident, imprinted some type of dermal print onto the plaster? Would that make the track something other than that of a bear?

Should I question the tracks themselves if they were brought to my attention by a known hoaxer of tracks?

What if someone proved by sending me a faked track that I could be easily fooled and yet I pronounced it genuine... would that make me stop and think about my own tendency to allow wishful thinking to override common sense?

Or would I find myself so caught up that my own ego would not allow me to admit that I'd been fooled by anyone or anything?

I might find myself drawing broken bones on the plaster cast of a bear print found in the snow in an effort to prove how right I am.

I hope that's not what happened here.

- Dfoot
 

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I really like this picture Dfoot posted over at BFF

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Source = http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13887&view=findpost&p=295600

We know Patty has a butt twin that happens to be a gorilla suit ..

Now it looks like she shares a jaw and chin ( and other features ) with a rubber mask...

Oh, yes.. It was available in '67 ...

Can't wait to hear the spin....

( Hey Dfoot.. Iasked your permission in a PM over at BFF.. If you say no, I will pull this..... )
 
The more I look at that the more aghast I am..

Check out the snarl of the lips...

This mask nails the hoax as far as I'm concered..

I can't believe the fence sitters over at BFF don't jump all over this, while the chronic creduloids slither away in embarassment...


Dfoot, this mask is a thousand times more valuble than anything Long came up with..

We really need to get you some official recognition for this..


Extra ! Extra ! Stuntman Identifies Mask Used In Patterson Hoax !
 
You write that you invested the time needed to "locate and identify" the animals.

Did that include visual location and identification?
The goal was to eyeball the animal, and I have frequently succeeded.

Where was the cougar or bear? Not in a tree or cornered?
I have never cornered or treed a cougar. I have, however, succeeded in tracking and watching cougars on several occasions. Usually I am able to find them at choke points, creek crossings, and dens. I have spent as long as a week tracking a single big cat, and not always successfully.

Bears I have found much easier to track, if only because I am not so concerned about them back-trailing me and they are not as light and agile as the cats. In winter I almost always find them at a den-site, other times I have found them foraging. The larger bears are not all that quiet either.

Did your trained or untrained dogs refrain from barking? Or, if not, didn't the barking alarm the subject?
The Otterhound never barked or howled, although she did mutter a lot. :) Absolutely the best scenthound I've ever known. She could track scent that was more than 48 hours old. Just her presence was enough to flush a cat that I would otherwise have missed.

The dogs that made the greatest racket were the hunting dogs that we drafted for tracking purposes. I am certain they alarmed the bears.

The trained trackers - a pair of Bloodhounds - belonged to a friend of mine that used them to track lost pets and the occaisional bear. They were great but would get a little bit enthusiaatic when we would get close. They were also of little use if we were going to be out for more than a day or two (they had no "off" switch).

The quietest dog I ever used was a 100lb Bouvier that was no good whatsover as a scent-hound but was very smart when we would get to the vicinity of the animal. He would stop in his tracks and stare right in the direction of the bear. When that would happen I'd know that we were very close indeed.

We did not use the dogs to "run down" the quarry. We used them to keep us on the trail - when there were long gaps between spoor or poor ground for prints - and to warn us if we were coming up on something unexpected. In the case of the cats I always assumed that they were watching us and so I was, well, a mite bit concerned that they might circle around on our back-trail. That was never an issue with bears.
 
The trained trackers - a pair of Bloodhounds - belonged to a friend of mine that used them to track lost pets and the occaisional bear. They were great but would get a little bit enthusiaatic when we would get close. They were also of little use if we were going to be out for more than a day or two (they had no "off" switch).

In the movies, bloodhounds are given a sample to get them started...

How do you get them started on a particular trail, of say,a particular bear ? Put their nose to a foot print ?
 
In the movies, bloodhounds are given a sample to get them started...

How do you get them started on a particular trail, of say,a particular bear ? Put their nose to a foot print ?
Pretty much, yeah. It's better if you can find scat or a tuft of fur. If you can find a tree with claw marks it can work too. If all else failed, we would follow a trail until the dogs caught on by osmosis. The thing is that these dogs really want to follow a scent trail. They'll find a trail all by themselves if you give them a chance.

I never handled the Bloodhounds because it all seemed kind of woo to me.

The otterhpund was a different matter. She would catch on to the fact that we were following a scent-trail (albeit by looking at the ground) and take it from there.
 
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Pretty much, yeah. It's better if you can find scat or a tuft of fur. If you can find a tree with claw marks it can work too. If all else failed, we would follow a trail until the dogs caught on by osmosis. The thing is that these dogs really want to follow a scent trail. They'll find a trail all by themselves if you give them a chance.

I never handled the Bloodhounds because it all seemed kind of woo to me.

The otterhpund was a different matter. She would catch on to the fact that we were following a scent-trail (albeit by looking at the ground) and take it from there.
Of course this entire discussion is moot, since we all know you can't use dogs to track animals in the PNW..
 
Dogs that track sasquatches (like grizzlies) end up whipped, dead, or running home to their handler.

The reason for that is because black bears and cougars will run up a tree.

Grizzly and sasquatch fight.

Any more questions?

Yes, LOTS more questions after reading THAT GEM!
But lets just focus on the one for now...

You originally wrote
We don't know what sasquatches will do. The reports indicate that they fight, and do so well. So well that dogs are reluctant to run them.

I asked you how the dogs managed to learn to be reluctant,
but you have not done that yet.

Perhaps what you meant to write was 'I heard some stories',
rather than 'The reports indicate'.
 
I really like this picture Dfoot posted over at BFF

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Source = http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13887&view=findpost&p=295600

We know Patty has a butt twin that happens to be a gorilla suit ..

Now it looks like she shares a jaw and chin ( and other features ) with a rubber mask...

Oh, yes.. It was available in '67 ...

Can't wait to hear the spin....

( Hey Dfoot.. Iasked your permission in a PM over at BFF.. If you say no, I will pull this..... )
O.K. Guys .. I blew it big with this...

I believe now this is a mask that Dfoot is putting together, not a ready made mask from the 60's..


Man, I saw what I wanted to see and couldn't wait to pass out crow..

Pleeeeeeeease, let this thread die now.. I am so embarrased..:footinmou
 
O.K. Guys .. I blew it big with this...

I believe now this is a mask that Dfoot is putting together, not a ready made mask from the 60's..


Man, I saw what I wanted to see and couldn't wait to pass out crow..

Pleeeeeeeease, let this thread die now.. I am so embarrased..:footinmou
Only semi-blew it. If I'm not mistaken both parts of the mask were off the shelf in the 60's. It could have been built just as easily and cheaply then as Dfoot did it.
 
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