Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Skeptical Greg]

The "ambulance chasing" argument has already been addressed in regard to the Skookum Cast, e.g., complete with quotes from Richard Noll, who was there. Bill, presumably, was not.

Let's see, " The ambulance chasing argument .. "

Knoll says ' it doesn't work '.

When that argument was brought up, I believe I asked the question

" As opposed to what ? "

I don't remember getting an answer.. Did I overlook it ?


Explain to me again, why Knoll, with a fresh Sas butt print, didn't find the nearest bloodhound, and go after the greatest find of the 21st century ?

Instead, he put some peanuts and fruit out for bait, and went to bed..

added:
I'm pretty sure Knoll isn't stupid.. It just might have occurred to him that bringing in a tracking dog, would make all the speculation and the casting thing a total waste of time.
And maybe make him look a little foolish when it became apparent the trail they were
following belonged to an elk, or anything besides a Bigfoot..




Think again about P&G..
Tracking Patty would have been the most logical thing in the world to do ..

It was absolutely known that the trail was fresh, but it was totally ignored, supposedly while the great Sas hunters cast tracks..

" Hey Roger don't you think we ought to track her while the trail is fresh? "

" Naw. We got 60 seconds of film, that may or may not be any good. And we got these here tracks. "

" We don't need no Bigfoot.. Never have.. All we need is some plaster casts.. "

 

[LTC8K6]

I see from quotes that Lu really misses me. It's just like her to discuss me when she knows I can't read what she says unless someone else quotes her.

Nope, you are still on ignore.

 

[LTC8K6]

We can track humans all over the place and catch them. Even when they make great efforts to hide their tracks and fool the trackers. I am not talking about with dogs, either.

Yet we can't track bigfoot down at all. Big, heavy, hairy, stinky, bigfoot.

Of course, if you repeatedly make no effort to track bigfoot, even when you fully believe he was right there minutes or hours ago, your chances of tracking him down are considerably reduced.

 

[Huntster]

I see nothing difficult at all about making such a trail......

Well, I suppose some of us are tough enough to swim across the Columbia River with fake feet on in mid-winter, but I'm not one of them.

My son is an Olympic swimmer. He could do it, if he had a good wetsuit on so he wouldn't get hypothermic upon emerging from the river again and walking about in the snow. Sometimes the shoes he wears makes me think he has fake feet on.

Did you read the description of the trail?

Do you really think pulling off a hoax like this, complete with the creatively dreamed up crippled foot, would be easy? In snow? Have you ever tried walking on snow with boards on the bottom of your feet? On slopes? On downed logs? Jumping from one downed log to another? Walking over barbed wire? Easy?

Show me.

 

[Huntster]

We can track humans all over the place and catch them. Even when they make great efforts to hide their tracks and fool the trackers. I am not talking about with dogs, either.

Yet we can't track bigfoot down at all. Big, heavy, hairy, stinky, bigfoot.....

We?

Maybe you'all been tracking with the wrong companions.

...Of course, if you repeatedly make no effort to track bigfoot, even when you fully believe he was right there minutes or hours ago, your chances of tracking him down are considerably reduced...

I guess I just haven't been out there working hard enough like we.

 

[RayG]

I don't think the toes, and the bunionettes, are anywhere near to lining up with the print in the snow.

But weren't the casts made in dirt not snow?

RayG

 

[mayday]

You can see a real bigfoot if you tune into VH1 some weeknight. It will be killing everything in sight with a crossbow.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, there's no other way to make fake tracks on the other side of a river except to swim across with your fake feet on.....

How stupid of me....

We, meaning humans, of course. Are you related to..... nevermind.

 

[LTC8K6]

But weren't the casts made in dirt not snow?

Which casts? The picture I posted is credited to Dahinden, and he cast the single cripplefoot print that he first found and photographed.

Is anyone sure what Krantz cast?

 

[RayG]

I guess I just haven't been out there working hard enough like we.

Huntster, don't you find it a little puzzling that no further pursuit was attempted for the situations described?

The same things seems to happen on BFRO expeditions. Enough of an encounter to keep paying customers showing up, but never any pursuit of the pesky squatch.

RayG

 

[LTC8K6]

Krantz examining a bossburg print preserved under cardboard, which he presumably did not cast???

 

[Hitch]

Huntster, don't you find it a little puzzling that no further pursuit was attempted for the situations described?

The same things seems to happen on BFRO expeditions. Enough of an encounter to keep paying customers showing up, but never any pursuit of the pesky squatch.

RayG

I wonder if BFRO found one here in Georgia this weekend? And if so, will they be offering refunds for the seven other expeditions they have scheduled this year?

 

[RayG]

Which casts? The picture I posted is credited to Dahinden, and he cast the single cripplefoot print that he first found and photographed.

Is anyone sure what Krantz cast?

I thought Krantz worked with copies of casts that had been made in dirt.

That seems to be what he indicates in his book.

RayG

 

[Hitch]

I thought Krantz worked with copies of casts that had been made in dirt.

That seems to be what he indicates in his book.

RayG

Can you make a cast of a print in snow?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

description of the trail?

Hmmmmm ( scratches chin )Now who would be responsible for that description?

Do you really think pulling off a hoax like this, complete with the creatively dreamed up crippled foot, would be easy? In snow? Have you ever tried walking on snow with boards on the bottom of your feet? On slopes? On downed logs? Jumping from one downed log to another? Walking over barbed wire? Easy?


Show me.

Do you really believe a big, stinky, crippled primate, would have gone undetected all this time? Jumping from one downed log to another? Walking over barbed wire?
Show me.

Why did it stop leaving tracks after a couple of times ?

 

[LTC8K6]

Can you make a cast of a print in snow?

AFAIK, yes. As long as it's not too warm out.

 

[LTC8K6]

Hunster, what evidence is there that there were any more "cripple" prints than the couple that were cast?

Yes, I have seen the video, read the stories, and looked at numerous photos. All more than once.

Why should anyone belive anything closely associated with Ivan Marx?

Weren't cripple prints hoaxed long before? Sorry, I mean found.

 

[LTC8K6]

For his part, Green suspects the crippled prints are bogus. "Grover is a good friend of mine, but he was born gullible," he laughs. "The fact that Ivan Marx was present at Bossburg is enough to throw everything into doubt." Marx was a Californian hoaxter who regularly filmed "authentic" Sasquatches—with buckling fur and feet flapping like a circus clown’s—and sold the footage. Marx made his first movie in Bossburg while Dahinden was tracking the crippled prints, and had been seen in a Spokane store buying considerable quantities of fur. Says Green: "I was always fascinating that René would tear into Grover about every last thing—except the crippled prints."

http://www.vancourier.com/issues01/07101/news/07101N1.html

How can anyone even begin to take the bossburg prints seriously?

 

[RayG]

Do you really believe a big, stinky, crippled primate, would have gone undetected all this time? Jumping from one downed log to another? Walking over barbed wire?

Not to mention paddling or swimming across the Columbia River.

RayG

 

[LTC8K6]

The film that Marx made in Bossburg while Dahinden was tracking the crippled bigfoot, was a movie of a crippled bigfoot. Presumably, Marx gave his crippled bigfoot appropriately crippled feet.