Best Cold Reading demo?

[Clancie]

Yes, that's a good example of cold reading, Lynne. There are many cold readers out there, of course. It just seems, from my perspective, hard to find an admitted cold=reader-as-medium. (My particular area of interest...what can I say? )

I've had good --and bad--mediumship readings over the phone. So I'm just curious. I know your technique is very visual and you pick up a lot of cues from facial expressions, tone of voice and body language....you could probably work out a way (like tarot readers do) to read over the phone. So...I'm just curious if you think it would make it more difficult or not to do it that way.

 

[magicflute]

Clancie, it is always determined how much time of a shoot will actually be used. You always shoot more than you need to make sure you capture enough to edit down to your time slot. Obviously if the show was 20 minutes, you would shoot the 20 minutes and edit down to the 5 minutes you will actually use. Unless you specifically request ahead of time to get a copy of all that was recorded, it will not be done as a business practice. Even if you request it, you will probably be asked to cover the cost of doing such a thing. Sometimes to do a commecial spot we would shoot as much as 2 hrs of video for a one minute spot! Once the spot is approved for broadcast, the original tapes are erased and only the edited master is kept. That is just the way the business works!

 

[lynne]

I've had good --and bad--mediumship readings over the phone. So I'm just curious. I know your technique is very visual and you pick up a lot of cues from facial expressions, tone of voice and body language....you could probably work out a way (like tarot readers do) to read over the phone. So...I'm just curious if you think it would make it more difficult or not to do it that way.

Good question, Clancie. My instant reply is that the reactions would be more verbal just because of the medium. From the script I have seen for a telephone medium process, you get some of the age type information up front. But I do depend on my paraphenalia (please correc t the spelling if I have it wrong :-( ) so I am not sure how it would work. You now have me intrigued to think it through. Then I will try it and report back. The trouble is I read Ian's book when I had already started developing Tauromancy, so think through each of the elements in terms of my stuff. I will revisit it from a telephone perspective and give it a try. What fun! Thank you for the idea!

cheers,

Lynne

 

[Garrette]

Clancie:

That's exactly the point, Garrette. All these conditions [releases from believers who are told they were fooled, and overcoming moral repugnancy on the part of the cold reader]were met during the PT demo, including editing things out of the broadcast version because they were too emotional and might cause embarrassment.. PT had nearly 30 minutes of -exactly- the kind of demonstration you describe--but, apparently, it's lost forever

Yes, they were met. The point was to explain why there are so few cold reading transcripts, not that they don't exist at all.

Do you imagine a show called Not Crossing Over in which Ian, every single day, tells the audience clearly and obviously at the end of the show "You were fooled?"

It might last two shows. How many would show up after that? How long do you think Ian could continue that even if they did show up? You've read lynne's description of the endometriosis hit and how she had to cut the reading short. That takes a toll on people.

At least on people who care. It is my opinion that JE cares not a whit for his audience.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Excuse me? Are you going to ignore transcripts, just because they are not online?

Nope, but I'm going to focus on the easily accessible transcripts first for obvious reasons of accessibility.

Have you asked Ersby?

No. I'm asking you. Just admit you don't know of any, sheesh.

 

[CFLarsen]

No. I'm asking you. Just admit you don't know of any, sheesh.

Ersby has some. Sheesh.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Ersby has some. Sheesh.

So do you or not? Have you seen Ersby's cold reader transcripts? Could you tell me about them?

How do they differ from medium transcripts? What is the number of times they use an 'ethic name'? What is the number of times they guess an A name, a B name, a C name, .... , and a Z name? What percentage of these readings are from television programs? I doubt anyone can answer these questions, without a large numerical study that is...

BTW, Ersby has been PMd regarding cold reader transcripts. I'm still waiting on a response.

 

[CFLarsen]

So do you or not? Have you seen Ersby's cold reader transcripts?

Yes.

Could you tell me about them?

How do they differ from medium transcripts? What is the number of times they use an 'ethic name'? What is the number of times they guess an A name, a B name, a C name, .... , and a Z name? What percentage of these readings are from television programs? I doubt anyone can answer these questions, without a large numerical study that is...

Again, you want other people to do your work for you. Why don't you do some work yourself?

BTW, Ersby has been PMd regarding cold reader transcripts. I'm still waiting on a response.

So why do you if I have seen some? Still getting "even"? You sure as heck don't seem the slightest interested in your little project.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Again, you want other people to do your work for you. Why don't you do some work yourself?

You've said you've seen them; I have not seen them. I guess you can't answer the questions of:

How do they differ from medium transcripts? What is the number of times they use an 'ethic name'? What is the number of times they guess an A name, a B name, a C name, .... , and a Z name? What percentage of these readings are from television programs? What percentage of people being read were female? Celebrities? As the year of the reading changes, do other counts tend to change? How many times did the cold reader say "chest area" as the disease vs. the number of times the medium said "chest area" as the disease? What are most frequent types of diseases offered?

You might need to do a large numerical study to answer these interesting questions..., for example. You see, when my study is done, I will be able to answer these types of questions, and more, simply by summing cells of a spreadsheet.

So why do you if I have seen some? Still getting "even"? You sure as heck don't seem the slightest interested in your little project.

I'm very interested on a large scale descriptive study of medium and cold reader transcripts, hence my working on the study and asking about cold reader transcripts.

You have failed to answer any questions, yet again. Better call in Bill for reinfarcements.

 

[CFLarsen]

Hand-waving.

 

[Ersby]

BTW, Ersby has been PMd regarding cold reader transcripts. I'm still waiting on a response.

Yes, you'd PMed me a full four minutes before this post! A little patience wouldn't go amiss.

 

[CFLarsen]

Yes, you'd PMed me a full four minutes before this post! A little patience wouldn't go amiss.

Interesting. So T'ai Chi wants to give the false impression that he "has" PMd you and are "still waiting" for your response - as if he had done it a long time ago.

I can see why T'ai Chi so desperately wants to keep this hidden from view. Step by step, already on the road from foolishness to fraud.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Yes, you'd PMed me a full four minutes before this post! A little patience wouldn't go amiss.

Yeah, you should really tell Claus that.

 

[CFLarsen]

Yeah, you should really tell Claus that.

Stop evading, T'ai Chi: You tried to give the false impression that you had PMd Ersby long before your post, and was "still waiting".

You are rapidly heading towards fraud. Not just dishonesty (by trying to shift focus away from your attempt here), but outright fraud.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Interesting. So T'ai Chi wants to give the false impression that he "has" PMd you and are "still waiting" for your response - as if he had done it a long time ago.

I can see why T'ai Chi so desperately wants to keep this hidden from view. Step by step, already on the road from foolishness to fraud.

Everything I said was factual and without exxageration.

Anyway, Ersby can only offer his own transcripts. My only question is, Erbsy, are you a professional cold reader like JE or JVP is a professional medium? This isn't a personal dig at your skills, but I am rather only interested in analyzing the transcripts of professionals for the purposes of this study. (else we'd have to analyze all the transcripts of people who call themselves mediums, which is quite a lot, and I'd rather concentrate on JVP, JE, SB, etc.)

 

[CFLarsen]

Everything I said was factual and without exxageration.

You created the false impression that you had asked Ersby some time ago, and that he had not replied. All of four minutes!

Anyway, Ersby can only offer his own transcripts. My only question is, Erbsy, are you a professional cold reader like JE or JVP is a professional medium? This isn't a personal dig at your skills, but I am rather only interested in analyzing the transcripts of professionals for the purposes of this study. (else we'd have to analyze all the transcripts of people who call themselves mediums, which is quite a lot, and I'd rather concentrate on JVP, JE, SB, etc.)

Liar. You said nothing about the cold reader being "professional". You opened this thread by asking:

What is the best cold reading demo? That is, among people not claiming to be mediums.

You mention "professional" cold readers way later.

You never mention "professional" in the "Analyzing Medium/Cold ReaderTranscripts" thread at all.

Liar.

 

[T'ai Chi]

You created the false impression that you had asked Ersby some time ago, and that he had not replied. All of four minutes!

Again, I simply stated the facts. If that created a false impression to you that I emailed Ersby long ago, you are entitled to the way you feel.

Liar. You said nothing about the cold reader being "professional". You opened this thread by asking:

To get reliable 'certified' transcripts, ones we know where they are from, it is wise to only include professionals.

You never mention "professional" in the "Analyzing Medium/Cold ReaderTranscripts" thread at all.

Liar.

I've simply clarified my position on what I'm seeking to get examined. This shouldn't be an issue if there are professional cold reader transcripts out there. I'm also not saying non-professional cold reader transcripts are worthless, just that if we look at those, we'd have to look at amateur medium transcripts (it wouldn't make any sense to compare amateur cold reader transcripts with professional medium transcripts), which could be everything from IRC chat logs to peoples' AIM messages, to emails. These things are too numerous to undertake in my estimation. Moreover, why study the amateur cold readers and amateur mediums when the professionals data is out there and probably of a much higher quality? Therefore, your accusation of liar falls flat.

You've said analyzing transcripts is wrong and worthless because of the flawed data, yet you have analyzed transcripts and posted articles on SkepticReport that people have analyzed transcripts in. You also failed to specifically point out these "long, fancy terms that you re-invent the meaning of" that you believe I use. Bill said it is only called skew, and when called on it, he hasn't withdrawn his incorrect statement. Seems its unfair to suggest I am being evasive..

Please Claus, stay focused. No one is impressed, especially me, by your misreadings and avoidance of questions and issues.

 

[Ersby]

My only question is, Erbsy, are you a professional cold reader like JE or JVP is a professional medium? This isn't a personal dig at your skills, but I am rather only interested in analyzing the transcripts of professionals for the purposes of this study. (else we'd have to analyze all the transcripts of people who call themselves mediums, which is quite a lot, and I'd rather concentrate on JVP, JE, SB, etc.)

No, I'm not a professional. I suggest you try to contact professional cold readers and ask if they have any transcripts.

No, I don't know any. You could always search the internet.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Again, I simply stated the facts. If that created a false impression to you that I emailed Ersby long ago, you are entitled to the way you feel.

I have never commented on the private feud that seems to go on between you and Claus &/or Bill H. on any of the threads where you all argue back and forth.

But I must say that I find it hard to believe that you did not consciously try to create such a "false impression" by a deliberate and willful choice of misleading terms:

"Ersby has been PMd regarding cold reader transcripts. I'm still waiting on a response."

Stating the facts this way was an intentional effort to create a false impression, namely, that you had sent the email some time before it was suggested. Your current "defense" of that practice is strong evidence that you are still doing nothing but playing games. Frankly, your comments above remind me of grade-school rhetorical devices and the word games used by children about what is "literally true" when cornered.

To get reliable 'certified' transcripts, ones we know where they are from, it is wise to only include professionals.

A convenient limitation, since it far easier to make a living as a "professional" psychic than a "professional" confessed cold reader.

N/A

 

[Clancie]

T'ai,

I'd understand if someone didn't want to participate in your project or personally didn't expect it to yield results. But I don't understand all the belligerence and hostility of a few people toward your desire to look into the specifics of cold reading in more depth.

Participate or not (as they wish) but why resort to all the repetiitive badgering and name calling ("liar", etc.) that you've quoted in your posts?

I don't get it.