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Avoiding Win 11 and staying with 10

novaphile said:
I guess linux must appeal to a pretty broad camp.

I use it because I don't want to be fiddling with the OS every day to keep everything running.
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I can't imagine why one would have to do so (fiddle with the OS) if not running Linux. I have been on Windows for years and had to do very little fiddling since say, XP. Of course, if you have special needs then I understand. But I've done tons of art and development work on my standard system with little issue.
 
novaphile said:
I guess linux must appeal to a pretty broad camp.

I use it because I don't want to be fiddling with the OS every day to keep everything running.
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How much time did you spend setting it up so that it was exactly right? I know people for whom that is a never ending process.
 
arthwollipot said:
How much time did you spend setting it up so that it was exactly right? I know people for whom that is a never ending process.
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That's me. I have a habit of, when stuck, I'll fix something that annoys me, or could be "better" or is inconsistent or something. Then I go back to the block and have a fresher brain.
Applies to Linux, Windows, MacOs, and previously OS/2, VM/CMS, AIX and MVS/ISPF.
 
Mongrel said:
And after initial setup and tweaking what is there that you have to fiddle with?
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Main categories I guess are
Things I didn't try until later
Things that "I'll fix that later "
Minor niggles that got on my nerves
On MVS that screen doesn't display the info I want
CMS that xedit editor profile sucks
I need a tool/script to quickly do thing
Off the top of my head
 
Wudang said:
Main categories I guess are
Things I didn't try until later
Things that "I'll fix that later "
Minor niggles that got on my nerves
On MVS that screen doesn't display the info I want
CMS that xedit editor profile sucks
I need a tool/script to quickly do thing
Off the top of my head
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It was more questioning the implication that you needed to fiddle with Windows everyday to keep it working.
novaphile said:
I use it because I don't want to be fiddling with the OS every day to keep everything running.
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Ah, slippery word "need". Do I "need" to scratch an itch? </rhetorical>
But for the last few years with windows, linux and MacOs I don't think I've needed to fiddle with anything to keep them working. All I can really think of is Python installs being a nuisance with environment variables - principally %PATH%, $PATH. Both Linux and windows - I write scripts that are common to each (Bash via Git Bash and Python)
I think all I've needed to help my wife and daughter with is some big windows updates effectively locking their PCs after periods of inactivity and bloody networked bloody printers.
 
I used to like the old Windows where I could customize my screens, like setting the pixel width and colors for the borders of windows. That was different from the Display Personalization currently available. It helped make say, a black tab bar stand out from a black desktop wallpaper. I'm sure there's a tweak for that somewhere now, but back then it was easy to find (and fiddle with when I was bored at work.)
 
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alfaniner said:
I used to like the old Windows where I could customize my screens, like setting the pixel width and colors for the borders of windows. That was different from the Display Personalization currently available. It helped make say, a black tab bar stand out from a black desktop wallpaper. I'm sure there's a tweak for that somewhere now, but back then it was easy to find (and fiddle with when I was bored at work.)
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That was my main use of Stardock WindowBlinds - basically making Windows borders like the crisp narrow borders on my AIX CDE desktop. Seems it's not possible and not planned - best answer I can find
superuser.com

On Windows 11, is there a way to make the window borders visible aside from the high contrast Accessibility options?

In a sea of dark/night themed windows, I find it very difficult to find where one window ends and the other begins as the borders are nearly invisible on my large 4K monitors. In Registry Editor I ...
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Wudang said:
That's me. I have a habit of, when stuck, I'll fix something that annoys me, or could be "better" or is inconsistent or something. Then I go back to the block and have a fresher brain.
Applies to Linux, Windows, MacOs, and previously OS/2, VM/CMS, AIX and MVS/ISPF.
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No BeOS or QNX? VAX/VMS?
 
I have to say, I truly do enjoy these windows threads that always turn into a battle between windows and Linux.

Primary Linux users NEED windows\mac users to see how absolutely, totally awesome Linux is and most Windows\Mac users just want to use what they're used to so it's easy.

Windows works just fine and costs next to nothing because it's pre-installed on pretty much every laptop, desktop, etc. that isn't custom built. People should just use what they're comfortable with, it's that easy.
 
plague311 said:
Windows works just fine and costs next to nothing because it's pre-installed on pretty much every laptop, desktop, etc. that isn't custom built. People should just use what they're comfortable with, it's that easy.
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And what's most appropriate for their use case, 90% of my PCs usage is gaming and I'd like to do that without any dicking around. While it's getting better, with Steam playing a large part of that, it's still not as install and play as Windows, especially if you step outside of Steam
 
Dabop said:
Its obvious the ones who have either never tried a modern Ubuntu install at all, or haven't for a couple of decades- its actually 'plug and play' (far more so than windows in almost all cases) and you need not know any more about installing programs than going to the app store and downloading what you want- its literally something that any android or IPhone user will recognise immediately lol
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If you're aiming this at me, I literally have an Ubuntu machine on the current kernel. The last time I "tried" it was on Friday when I was tinkering with my Pi-Hole install.

It's not in any way "far more 'plug and play' than windows". The implication is stupid in and of itself. Like I said, you can web surf easily on it, thanks for the screenshot to literally prove my point, but tell me how easy it is to install....Office 365 on it. You know, literally the most used office suite that exists on the planet. Yes, it can be installed, but there is no native Linux installer. So just the install of that one program is going to take a workaround and some research in how to do it, unless you're a full-time Linux user. I'll guess you're going to say something like Linux has OpenOffice, or LibreOffice, and those are fine if you work in that environment, but you switch them over to an Office 365 user and the formatting goes to ◊◊◊◊. So at best it's a temu version of Office.
Dabop said:
There it is down on the taskbar- Ubuntu Software...
Just select what you are looking for- games, communications, productivity tools, graphic and photography, whatever lol
click on the app you want- and it installs....
(ironically- I have had a LOT more trouble installing apps with an older (4 year old) IPad than I have ever had with this laptop....)
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Cool, Ubuntu software. Can you click it, find the Adobe Creativity Suite and have it install? No? I'd have to go through and find Linux based alternatives for all of those applications that aren't anywhere near as full as the Adobe suite is? Awesome!

This is the biggest problem with Linux users, they're like crossfit and vegans. All they do is talk about how awesome Linux is all of the time. I hate bashing it because I genuinely like Linux but it's nowhere near what Windows and Mac are because of its nature. If it were as plug-and-play as you say everyone would use it because it's free, but all things said and done, it's fine.
 
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Mongrel said:
And what's most appropriate for their use case, 90% of my PCs usage is gaming and I'd like to do that without any dicking around. While it's getting better, with Steam playing a large part of that, it's still not as install and play as Windows, especially if you step outside of Steam
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This. My primary use other than internet, which can be done by anything, is a smsll selection of photo software, some Windows freeware (attempts to port with Wine failed), some camera proprietery (no Linux versions, Wine failed on one and no further attempts) and some open source that runs equally well in Linux or Windows. So windows it is except for the laptop thet serves only for streaming to TV..
 
See, I work for a living. There's always new hardware coming my way. Either I'm in a new job, or my current job is replacing my old hardware. And when it's not new hardware, it's OS upgrades.

After a while, it becomes tedious to spend time "optimizing" all the new OS settings, or the old OS settings on the new device.

So I organize the high touch stuff to my liking, and move the ◊◊◊◊ on. This business of obsessing over the optimally configured "everyday carry" OS makes no sense to me.

If that's your hobby, I love that for you. Have all the fun! But if that's your ethos? It's a crap ethos, as far as I'm concerned. Wearing it on your sleeve does you no favors.
 
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